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[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]PatMac wrote:

[quote]bigflamer wrote:
This silliness about “it’s just a clump of cells”, “tadpoles”, and “it could be a goat”, is beyond laughable. Like we’re supposed to believe that human reproduction is some crap shoot or something. Like a woman rolls into the doctors office to have an ultrasound, and the doctor says “you need to know that there’s the possibility that your clump of cells will develop into a goat”. lol

Are we not all just a “clump of cells”, regardless of the life cycle stage we are in? Yes, when a woman’s egg is fertilized by a man’s sperm, it is indeed a clump of cells; a [i]CLUMP OF HUMAN CELLS[/i] that will continue to develop and proceed through it’s life cycle, just like the rest of the cell clumps walking around. [/quote]

Pretty much. We think we’re important, but we’re just giant meat sacks. $7 worth of carbon if want like.

But unless you actually see the inherent worthlessness of each of us, the clump of cells is going to be a nonstarter.[/quote]

Perhaps your sense of self worth is that low. If it is you have my sympathy and recommendation that you seek some form of counseling. [/quote]

And I’d suggest the same for you, for the opposite reason. I’m extremely confident in my knowledge that whatever value I have is meaningless, an abstraction. It’s only when we see the truth that we’re able to engage the world effectively.

To clear it up for you - there are too many humans on the planet for any one of us to have any greater value than anyone else.

In order for something to have value, it needs to be scarce. As far as I can tell, there is no shortage of humans and we can create them endlessly; even with the millions of abortions performed each year, our population is growing.

In fact, each of us has less value with each new person birthed.

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[quote]PatMac wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:

It is a very poor thought exercise because it is not based in any sort of reality.

My statement of some babies need killing is very accurate. You can change it to some fetus’ or embryos need killing if you prefer. [/quote]

Just curious though, what do you think about what Mary Vargas did?

http://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2011/02/09-1

Should she have been forced to carry to term? I bring this up because, while she wouldn’t have birthed a goat, going to term wouldn’t not have meant a viable child.[/quote]

She believed her baby needed killing because she thought the baby had a fatal disease. She didn’t think it would be a goat.

What do I think of it? I don’t know her situation or the accuracy of the doctors diagnosis.

What do you think of the tens of thousands of women that abort healthy babies because it in inconvenient for them?

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[quote]Big Banana wrote:

She believed her baby needed killing because she thought the baby had a fatal disease. She didn’t think it would be a goat.

What do I think of it? I don’t know her situation or the accuracy of the doctors diagnosis.

What do you think of the tens of thousands of women that abort healthy babies because it in inconvenient for them?[/quote]

You believe she should have carried it to term?

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[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]PatMac wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:

It is a very poor thought exercise because it is not based in any sort of reality.

My statement of some babies need killing is very accurate. You can change it to some fetus’ or embryos need killing if you prefer. [/quote]

Just curious though, what do you think about what Mary Vargas did?

http://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2011/02/09-1

Should she have been forced to carry to term? I bring this up because, while she wouldn’t have birthed a goat, going to term wouldn’t not have meant a viable child.[/quote]

She believed her baby needed killing because she thought the baby had a fatal disease. She didn’t think it would be a goat.

What do I think of it? I don’t know her situation or the accuracy of the doctors diagnosis.

What do you think of the tens of thousands of women that abort healthy babies because it in inconvenient for them?[/quote]

Totally for it.

If there ever is a chance that one of my children might be born severly handicapped its gone.

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[quote]PatMac wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]PatMac wrote:

[quote]bigflamer wrote:
This silliness about “it’s just a clump of cells”, “tadpoles”, and “it could be a goat”, is beyond laughable. Like we’re supposed to believe that human reproduction is some crap shoot or something. Like a woman rolls into the doctors office to have an ultrasound, and the doctor says “you need to know that there’s the possibility that your clump of cells will develop into a goat”. lol

Are we not all just a “clump of cells”, regardless of the life cycle stage we are in? Yes, when a woman’s egg is fertilized by a man’s sperm, it is indeed a clump of cells; a [i]CLUMP OF HUMAN CELLS[/i] that will continue to develop and proceed through it’s life cycle, just like the rest of the cell clumps walking around. [/quote]

Pretty much. We think we’re important, but we’re just giant meat sacks. $7 worth of carbon if want like.

But unless you actually see the inherent worthlessness of each of us, the clump of cells is going to be a nonstarter.[/quote]

Perhaps your sense of self worth is that low. If it is you have my sympathy and recommendation that you seek some form of counseling. [/quote]

And I’d suggest the same for you, for the opposite reason. I’m extremely confident in my knowledge that whatever value I have is meaningless, an abstraction. It’s only when we see the truth that we’re able to engage the world effectively.

To clear it up for you - there are too many humans on the planet for any one of us to have any greater value than anyone else.

In order for something to have value, it needs to be scarce. As far as I can tell, there is no shortage of humans and we can create them endlessly; even with the millions of abortions performed each year, our population is growing.

In fact, each of us has less value with each new person birthed.[/quote]

Sheer nonsense.

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[quote]PatMac wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:

She believed her baby needed killing because she thought the baby had a fatal disease. She didn’t think it would be a goat.

What do I think of it? I don’t know her situation or the accuracy of the doctors diagnosis.

What do you think of the tens of thousands of women that abort healthy babies because it in inconvenient for them?[/quote]

You believe she should have carried it to term?[/quote]

Perhaps. It depends on the accuracy of the diagnosis.

What about the tens of thousands of healthy ones aborted?

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[quote]Big Banana wrote:
Perhaps. It depends on the accuracy of the diagnosis. [/quote]

So in some circumstance “killing” is fine. That’s some shaky ground that your high horse is standing on isn’t it? :slight_smile:

Honestly though, thank you for answering. You knew what I was going to say next when you replied and you still replied. For that I commend and respect you.

[quote]Big Banana wrote:
What about the tens of thousands of healthy ones aborted?[/quote]

It’s actually millions world wide and I don’t think very much about it. I’m male and while I can have an opinion about it, I’m not going to invest any effort to think about it. It’s the woman’s choice and in most cases, not being born to be raised by someone who resents you is better than a life lived knowing you were not wanted.

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[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]PatMac wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]PatMac wrote:

[quote]bigflamer wrote:
This silliness about “it’s just a clump of cells”, “tadpoles”, and “it could be a goat”, is beyond laughable. Like we’re supposed to believe that human reproduction is some crap shoot or something. Like a woman rolls into the doctors office to have an ultrasound, and the doctor says “you need to know that there’s the possibility that your clump of cells will develop into a goat”. lol

Are we not all just a “clump of cells”, regardless of the life cycle stage we are in? Yes, when a woman’s egg is fertilized by a man’s sperm, it is indeed a clump of cells; a [i]CLUMP OF HUMAN CELLS[/i] that will continue to develop and proceed through it’s life cycle, just like the rest of the cell clumps walking around. [/quote]

Pretty much. We think we’re important, but we’re just giant meat sacks. $7 worth of carbon if want like.

But unless you actually see the inherent worthlessness of each of us, the clump of cells is going to be a nonstarter.[/quote]

Perhaps your sense of self worth is that low. If it is you have my sympathy and recommendation that you seek some form of counseling. [/quote]

And I’d suggest the same for you, for the opposite reason. I’m extremely confident in my knowledge that whatever value I have is meaningless, an abstraction. It’s only when we see the truth that we’re able to engage the world effectively.

To clear it up for you - there are too many humans on the planet for any one of us to have any greater value than anyone else.

In order for something to have value, it needs to be scarce. As far as I can tell, there is no shortage of humans and we can create them endlessly; even with the millions of abortions performed each year, our population is growing.

In fact, each of us has less value with each new person birthed.[/quote]

Sheer nonsense.[/quote]

Opps, just lost some of that respect.

How much actual worth does a person have? How do you arrive at that value?

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[quote]PatMac wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:
Perhaps. It depends on the accuracy of the diagnosis. [/quote]

So in some circumstance “killing” is fine. That’s some shaky ground that your high horse is standing on isn’t it? :slight_smile:

Honestly though, thank you for answering. You knew what I was going to say next when you replied and you still replied. For that I commend and respect you.

[quote]Big Banana wrote:
What about the tens of thousands of healthy ones aborted?[/quote]

It’s actually millions world wide and I don’t think very much about it. I’m male and while I can have an opinion about it, I’m not going to invest any effort to think about it. It’s the woman’s choice and in most cases, not being born to be raised by someone who resents you is better than a life lived knowing you were not wanted.[/quote]

I think my summation of the argument that some babies need killing is very accurate. Perhaps horribly deformed babies need killing. thankfully I haven’t had to make that decision.

You haven’t thought about healthy babies being killed and yet you fell the need to jump in on the thread?

You realize males are responsible for conception just as females don’t you?

What if you knocked up your girlfriend and she wanted to abort your baby out of spiteand you wanted to raise it?

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What if your 14 year old daughter got pregnant and had it aborted without you knowledge?

You want to play thought games, let us use real world scenarios.

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[quote]PatMac wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]PatMac wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]PatMac wrote:

[quote]bigflamer wrote:
This silliness about “it’s just a clump of cells”, “tadpoles”, and “it could be a goat”, is beyond laughable. Like we’re supposed to believe that human reproduction is some crap shoot or something. Like a woman rolls into the doctors office to have an ultrasound, and the doctor says “you need to know that there’s the possibility that your clump of cells will develop into a goat”. lol

Are we not all just a “clump of cells”, regardless of the life cycle stage we are in? Yes, when a woman’s egg is fertilized by a man’s sperm, it is indeed a clump of cells; a [i]CLUMP OF HUMAN CELLS[/i] that will continue to develop and proceed through it’s life cycle, just like the rest of the cell clumps walking around. [/quote]

Pretty much. We think we’re important, but we’re just giant meat sacks. $7 worth of carbon if want like.

But unless you actually see the inherent worthlessness of each of us, the clump of cells is going to be a nonstarter.[/quote]

Perhaps your sense of self worth is that low. If it is you have my sympathy and recommendation that you seek some form of counseling. [/quote]

And I’d suggest the same for you, for the opposite reason. I’m extremely confident in my knowledge that whatever value I have is meaningless, an abstraction. It’s only when we see the truth that we’re able to engage the world effectively.

To clear it up for you - there are too many humans on the planet for any one of us to have any greater value than anyone else.

In order for something to have value, it needs to be scarce. As far as I can tell, there is no shortage of humans and we can create them endlessly; even with the millions of abortions performed each year, our population is growing.

In fact, each of us has less value with each new person birthed.[/quote]

Sheer nonsense.[/quote]

Opps, just lost some of that respect.

How much actual worth does a person have? How do you arrive at that value?[/quote]

You value human life at $ 7. I offer you $8 to kill yourself. Will you take it?

How about a million?

You set your own value for your life based on this and get back to me.

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[quote]Big Banana wrote:

I think my summation of the argument that some babies need killing is very accurate. Perhaps horribly deformed babies need killing. thankfully I haven’t had to make that decision.

You haven’t thought about healthy babies being killed and yet you fell the need to jump in on the thread?

You realize males are responsible for conception just as females don’t you?

What if you knocked up your girlfriend and she wanted to abort your baby out of spiteand you wanted to raise it?[/quote]

I don’t have the time to get to know every women who is about to have an abortion. I don’t have the time to think about every abortion - thousands a day, everyday, I’d not have time to post on abortion threads if I was to fill my time with thoughts of the unwanted. That doesn’t mean that I don’t consider “abortion”. You do the same thing so wise up. You’re not thinking about each operation, you are thinking about it as a whole. And you don’t have a problem with it in some circumstances so you are slightly pro-choice.

But I’m NEVER going to be pregnant and I don’t think I should ever have the right to tell a women what she can do with her body. You believe you should have that right. Odd, but we just don’t agree here as I’m not an oppressor of women.

Spite abortions are still the women’s choice regardless of a mans desire to see her carry to term.

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[quote]Big Banana wrote:
What if your 14 year old daughter got pregnant and had it aborted without you knowledge?

You want to play thought games, let us use real world scenarios. [/quote]

Hmmm. When do I find out?

I’d counsel her as well as I could. I’d help her find and pay for therapy if she needed it. I’d encourage her to get on a reliable method of birth control. I’d explain condom use to her. Then I’d move on and try to do a better job as a parent.

I wouldn’t be upset at her for it, and I’d likely consider the fact that I had in some way failed my daughter not because she had an abortion but because she ended-up pregnant.

For the record, I don’t have children so I’m only speculating here.

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[quote]PatMac wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:
What if your 14 year old daughter got pregnant and had it aborted without you knowledge?

You want to play thought games, let us use real world scenarios. [/quote]

Hmmm. When do I find out?

I’d counsel her as well as I could. I’d help her find and pay for therapy if she needed it. I’d encourage her to get on a reliable method of birth control. I’d explain condom use to her. Then I’d move on and try to do a better job as a parent.

I wouldn’t be upset at her for it, and I’d likely consider the fact that I had in some way failed my daughter not because she had an abortion but because she ended-up pregnant.

For the record, I don’t have children so I’m only speculating here.[/quote]

Would you get a chance to council her? Possibly but often not.

Planned Parenthood and other abortion mills routinely provide abortions to underage girls without permission or notification of the parents. It is disgraceful.

This is what US tax dollars fund.

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[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]PatMac wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]PatMac wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]PatMac wrote:

[quote]bigflamer wrote:
This silliness about “it’s just a clump of cells”, “tadpoles”, and “it could be a goat”, is beyond laughable. Like we’re supposed to believe that human reproduction is some crap shoot or something. Like a woman rolls into the doctors office to have an ultrasound, and the doctor says “you need to know that there’s the possibility that your clump of cells will develop into a goat”. lol

Are we not all just a “clump of cells”, regardless of the life cycle stage we are in? Yes, when a woman’s egg is fertilized by a man’s sperm, it is indeed a clump of cells; a [i]CLUMP OF HUMAN CELLS[/i] that will continue to develop and proceed through it’s life cycle, just like the rest of the cell clumps walking around. [/quote]

Pretty much. We think we’re important, but we’re just giant meat sacks. $7 worth of carbon if want like.

But unless you actually see the inherent worthlessness of each of us, the clump of cells is going to be a nonstarter.[/quote]

Perhaps your sense of self worth is that low. If it is you have my sympathy and recommendation that you seek some form of counseling. [/quote]

And I’d suggest the same for you, for the opposite reason. I’m extremely confident in my knowledge that whatever value I have is meaningless, an abstraction. It’s only when we see the truth that we’re able to engage the world effectively.

To clear it up for you - there are too many humans on the planet for any one of us to have any greater value than anyone else.

In order for something to have value, it needs to be scarce. As far as I can tell, there is no shortage of humans and we can create them endlessly; even with the millions of abortions performed each year, our population is growing.

In fact, each of us has less value with each new person birthed.[/quote]

Sheer nonsense.[/quote]

Opps, just lost some of that respect.

How much actual worth does a person have? How do you arrive at that value?[/quote]

You value human life at $ 7. I offer you $8 to kill yourself. Will you take it?

How about a million?

You set your own value for your life based on this and get back to me.
[/quote]

You think I’m speaking nonsense yet quot my words back to me as your answer.

Answer the question, how do you arrive at a value for human life? If you’re going to say something is sheer nonsense, enlighten me and show me how you arrive at your conclusion. We’re getting pretty close to our little chatted ending because I’m starting to ask you twice why you say what you say.

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[quote]PatMac wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]PatMac wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]PatMac wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]PatMac wrote:

[quote]bigflamer wrote:
This silliness about “it’s just a clump of cells”, “tadpoles”, and “it could be a goat”, is beyond laughable. Like we’re supposed to believe that human reproduction is some crap shoot or something. Like a woman rolls into the doctors office to have an ultrasound, and the doctor says “you need to know that there’s the possibility that your clump of cells will develop into a goat”. lol

Are we not all just a “clump of cells”, regardless of the life cycle stage we are in? Yes, when a woman’s egg is fertilized by a man’s sperm, it is indeed a clump of cells; a [i]CLUMP OF HUMAN CELLS[/i] that will continue to develop and proceed through it’s life cycle, just like the rest of the cell clumps walking around. [/quote]

Pretty much. We think we’re important, but we’re just giant meat sacks. $7 worth of carbon if want like.

But unless you actually see the inherent worthlessness of each of us, the clump of cells is going to be a nonstarter.[/quote]

Perhaps your sense of self worth is that low. If it is you have my sympathy and recommendation that you seek some form of counseling. [/quote]

And I’d suggest the same for you, for the opposite reason. I’m extremely confident in my knowledge that whatever value I have is meaningless, an abstraction. It’s only when we see the truth that we’re able to engage the world effectively.

To clear it up for you - there are too many humans on the planet for any one of us to have any greater value than anyone else.

In order for something to have value, it needs to be scarce. As far as I can tell, there is no shortage of humans and we can create them endlessly; even with the millions of abortions performed each year, our population is growing.

In fact, each of us has less value with each new person birthed.[/quote]

Sheer nonsense.[/quote]

Opps, just lost some of that respect.

How much actual worth does a person have? How do you arrive at that value?[/quote]

You value human life at $ 7. I offer you $8 to kill yourself. Will you take it?

How about a million?

You set your own value for your life based on this and get back to me.
[/quote]

You think I’m speaking nonsense yet quot my words back to me as your answer.

Answer the question, how do you arrive at a value for human life? If you’re going to say something is sheer nonsense, enlighten me and show me how you arrive at your conclusion. We’re getting pretty close to our little chatted ending because I’m starting to ask you twice why you say what you say.

[/quote]

I just told you how to value human life. If you think it is $ 7 take my offer of $8.

I personally wouldn’t take any amount of money to end my life.

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[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]PatMac wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:
What if your 14 year old daughter got pregnant and had it aborted without you knowledge?

You want to play thought games, let us use real world scenarios. [/quote]

Hmmm. When do I find out?

I’d counsel her as well as I could. I’d help her find and pay for therapy if she needed it. I’d encourage her to get on a reliable method of birth control. I’d explain condom use to her. Then I’d move on and try to do a better job as a parent.

I wouldn’t be upset at her for it, and I’d likely consider the fact that I had in some way failed my daughter not because she had an abortion but because she ended-up pregnant.

For the record, I don’t have children so I’m only speculating here.[/quote]

Would you get a chance to council her? Possibly but often not.

Planned Parenthood and other abortion mills routinely provide abortions to underage girls without permission or notification of the parents. It is disgraceful.

This is what US tax dollars fund.[/quote]

It was counseling after the abortion. Your example had her terminating the pregnancy without my knowledge.

I don’t think you’d be fine if the parents knew and tax payer dollars were used for abortions. If you feel that way, don’t bother bringing up the approaches of PP or other abortion mills because you have an issue with the act, not just US dollars paying for it.

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[quote]PatMac wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]PatMac wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:
What if your 14 year old daughter got pregnant and had it aborted without you knowledge?

You want to play thought games, let us use real world scenarios. [/quote]

Hmmm. When do I find out?

I’d counsel her as well as I could. I’d help her find and pay for therapy if she needed it. I’d encourage her to get on a reliable method of birth control. I’d explain condom use to her. Then I’d move on and try to do a better job as a parent.

I wouldn’t be upset at her for it, and I’d likely consider the fact that I had in some way failed my daughter not because she had an abortion but because she ended-up pregnant.

For the record, I don’t have children so I’m only speculating here.[/quote]

Would you get a chance to council her? Possibly but often not.

Planned Parenthood and other abortion mills routinely provide abortions to underage girls without permission or notification of the parents. It is disgraceful.

This is what US tax dollars fund.[/quote]

It was counseling after the abortion. Your example had her terminating the pregnancy without my knowledge.

I don’t think you’d be fine if the parents knew and tax payer dollars were used for abortions. If you feel that way, don’t bother bringing up the approaches of PP or other abortion mills because you have an issue with the act, not just US dollars paying for it.[/quote]

Planned Parenthood and other abortion mills give abortions to underage kids without parental consent. Do you find this acceptable?

You are the one that wants to play thought games yet you cannot stick to them.

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[quote]Big Banana wrote:

I just told you how to value human life. If you think it is $ 7 take my offer of $8.

I personally wouldn’t take any amount of money to end my life.[/quote]

So what I say is complete nonsense because of $1? A little more than 10% and I’m speaking utter nonsense.

It seems like you are full of shit right now.

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[quote]PatMac wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:

I just told you how to value human life. If you think it is $ 7 take my offer of $8.

I personally wouldn’t take any amount of money to end my life.[/quote]

So what I say is complete nonsense because of $1? A little more than 10% and I’m speaking utter nonsense.

It seems like you are full of shit right now.[/quote]

Do you not understand my question?

If you value your life at $7 would you take a payment to end it?

I am offering above market value to sweeten the deal.

If you want to rethink the $7 value then please make a counter offer with what you think your life is worth.

I have already given you the value I place on my life.