PIV Sex is unatural...

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[quote]nephorm wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]kpsnap wrote:

[quote]Apoklyps wrote:
I was forced into fatherhood by a choice that was not my own.[/quote]
I’m having a hard time envisioning this.[/quote]

Lol, no doubt. I can only surmise he is referring to choice the mother of his child made not to terminate the pregnancy. This choice, of course belongs entirely to the woman. The choices leading up to needing to make that choice, however, are obviously shared and have certain, fairly predictable consequences.

I obviously don’t know the back story though, so I’ll refrain from commenting.[/quote]

I can imagine a sympathetic situation in which both people discussed the possibility of an unwanted pregnancy and mutually agreed that abortion would be their choice. Upon getting pregnant, she reneged and he was forced to abide by her unilateral decision.

Or, it could be the old “women have choices, men have responsibilities” line. Women can choose whether to have sex, but they are given an additional choice if they become pregnant. A choice the man is bound to, one way or the other. [/quote]

Yup. You actually did hit the nail on the head with that one. She was supposed to be on the pill at the time too. I say “supposed to be” because I have wondered if the pregnancy was intentional.

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[quote]nephorm wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]kpsnap wrote:

[quote]Apoklyps wrote:
I was forced into fatherhood by a choice that was not my own.[/quote]
I’m having a hard time envisioning this.[/quote]

Lol, no doubt. I can only surmise he is referring to choice the mother of his child made not to terminate the pregnancy. This choice, of course belongs entirely to the woman. The choices leading up to needing to make that choice, however, are obviously shared and have certain, fairly predictable consequences.

I obviously don’t know the back story though, so I’ll refrain from commenting.[/quote]

I can imagine a sympathetic situation in which both people discussed the possibility of an unwanted pregnancy and mutually agreed that abortion would be their choice. Upon getting pregnant, she reneged and he was forced to abide by her unilateral decision.

Or, it could be the old “women have choices, men have responsibilities” line. Women can choose whether to have sex, but they are given an additional choice if they become pregnant. A choice the man is bound to, one way or the other. [/quote]

Totally possible. It was not my intention to be glib, or to comment on this particular situation at all (as I said).

I guess I just see it through the lens of my own experience and that of those around me. Pretty much every guy I know has had a “scare” at some point or another. This happened because we were being careless. So were our partners.

No girl saw our unemployed 17-20 year old selves as a meal ticket to lock down by getting knocked up. We were just engaging in adult activities without taking all the adult steps to manage our risk of adult consequences. Most of us got away with it. Some of us got STI’s, some of us had kids. That’s just life. Fair doesn’t enter into it.

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[quote]Broncoandy wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]kpsnap wrote:

[quote]Apoklyps wrote:
I was forced into fatherhood by a choice that was not my own.[/quote]
I’m having a hard time envisioning this.[/quote]

Lol, no doubt. I can only surmise he is referring to choice the mother of his child made not to terminate the pregnancy. This choice, of course belongs entirely to the woman. The choices leading up to needing to make that choice, however, are obviously shared and have certain, fairly predictable consequences.

I obviously don’t know the back story though, so I’ll refrain from commenting.[/quote]

There are quite a few choices that can be made unilaterally by a woman who wants to be pregnant in order to get that way. Not the least of which is to mislead, deceive, manipulate, or flat out FORCE the required male participation (i.e. “Oh I see your drunk and passed out with a hard on. I’ll just rape you in your sleep”). Men are every bit as vulnerable to unwanted pregnancy as women are, if not more so. It’s ignorant to assume he made any choices at all, let alone that he made choices without false pretenses from the woman with regard to her birth control, fertility, condom integrity, etc…

Just when do you feel a man has chosen to be a father btw? If that’s just a risk he accepts every time he has intercourse why do you feel that women should not also be responsible for that inherent risk? Anyone pro “choice” who is not also pro “dead beat dad” needs to check their privlidge :stuck_out_tongue: [/quote]

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[quote]Broncoandy wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]kpsnap wrote:

[quote]Apoklyps wrote:
I was forced into fatherhood by a choice that was not my own.[/quote]
I’m having a hard time envisioning this.[/quote]

Lol, no doubt. I can only surmise he is referring to choice the mother of his child made not to terminate the pregnancy. This choice, of course belongs entirely to the woman. The choices leading up to needing to make that choice, however, are obviously shared and have certain, fairly predictable consequences.

I obviously don’t know the back story though, so I’ll refrain from commenting.[/quote]

There are quite a few choices that can be made unilaterally by a woman who wants to be pregnant in order to get that way. Not the least of which is to mislead, deceive, manipulate, or flat out FORCE the required male participation (i.e. “Oh I see your drunk and passed out with a hard on. I’ll just rape you in your sleep”). Men are every bit as vulnerable to unwanted pregnancy as women are, if not more so. It’s ignorant to assume he made any choices at all, let alone that he made choices without false pretenses from the woman with regard to her birth control, fertility, condom integrity, etc…

Just when do you feel a man has chosen to be a father btw? If that’s just a risk he accepts every time he has intercourse why do you feel that women should not also be responsible for that inherent risk? Anyone pro “choice” who is not also pro “dead beat dad” needs to check their privlidge :stuck_out_tongue: [/quote]

You’re right. No assumptions can be made about this particular case. I apologize to Apoclyps for my presumption.

Regarding when you choose to be a father/parent, both parties assume the risk whenever they have sex. In no way do I feel women are exempt from this risk. Where did I imply that they were. You can take steps to mitigate that risk, with varying degrees of effectiveness, but you still assume the risk none the less. If the risk should come to fruition, both parties are responsible for the consequence. This is one reason why “casual” sex seems a bit crazy to me, but that’s just me.

As a risk/reward proposal, it just doesn’t make sense to me.

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[quote]batman730 wrote:
I guess I just see it through the lens of my own experience and that of those around me. Pretty much every guy I know has had a “scare” at some point or another. This happened because we were being careless. So were our partners.

No girl saw our unemployed 17-20 year old selves as a meal ticket to lock down by getting knocked up. We were just engaging in adult activities without taking all the adult steps to manage our risk of adult consequences. Most of us got away with it. Some of us got STI’s, some of us had kids. That’s just life. Fair doesn’t enter into it.
[/quote]

I don’t think that there is a significant portion of women who are maliciously scheming to trick men into being fathers. It happens occasionally. I know a few people who have had unplanned pregnancies despite using protection properly. I think it is probably more common that women change their minds after actually becoming pregnant, when the issue is no longer so abstract. The issue of fairness is that women do not have an equal risk of bearing the financial burden of children. Women have more contraceptive options than men do, and they can terminate a pregnancy if those options fail. The likelihood of a failed abortion is close to nil.

Hopefully vasalgel or an equivalent will be on the market in the next couple of years so that men have better control over reproduction.

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[quote]nephorm wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:
I guess I just see it through the lens of my own experience and that of those around me. Pretty much every guy I know has had a “scare” at some point or another. This happened because we were being careless. So were our partners.

No girl saw our unemployed 17-20 year old selves as a meal ticket to lock down by getting knocked up. We were just engaging in adult activities without taking all the adult steps to manage our risk of adult consequences. Most of us got away with it. Some of us got STI’s, some of us had kids. That’s just life. Fair doesn’t enter into it.
[/quote]

I don’t think that there is a significant portion of women who are maliciously scheming to trick men into being fathers. It happens occasionally. I know a few people who have had unplanned pregnancies despite using protection properly. I think it is probably more common that women change their minds after actually becoming pregnant, when the issue is no longer so abstract. The issue of fairness is that women do not have an equal risk of bearing the financial burden of children. Women have more contraceptive options than men do, and they can terminate a pregnancy if those options fail. The likelihood of a failed abortion is close to nil.

Hopefully vasalgel or an equivalent will be on the market in the next couple of years so that men have better control over reproduction. [/quote]

That all seems reasonable enough.

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[quote]nephorm wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:
I guess I just see it through the lens of my own experience and that of those around me. Pretty much every guy I know has had a “scare” at some point or another. This happened because we were being careless. So were our partners.

No girl saw our unemployed 17-20 year old selves as a meal ticket to lock down by getting knocked up. We were just engaging in adult activities without taking all the adult steps to manage our risk of adult consequences. Most of us got away with it. Some of us got STI’s, some of us had kids. That’s just life. Fair doesn’t enter into it.
[/quote]

I don’t think that there is a significant portion of women who are maliciously scheming to trick men into being fathers. It happens occasionally. I know a few people who have had unplanned pregnancies despite using protection properly. I think it is probably more common that women change their minds after actually becoming pregnant, when the issue is no longer so abstract. The issue of fairness is that women do not have an equal risk of bearing the financial burden of children. Women have more contraceptive options than men do, and they can terminate a pregnancy if those options fail. The likelihood of a failed abortion is close to nil.

Hopefully vasalgel or an equivalent will be on the market in the next couple of years so that men have better control over reproduction. [/quote]

If Vasalgel would be widely used we would also get some data on how common “ooops” pregnancies actually are/were.

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I get all my sex ed here, folks

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[quote]theBeth wrote:
Disregard. Excited today.[/quote]

Beth in da hooouuuuse!!!

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PIV, or not to PIV…

That is the question.

:slight_smile:

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I don’t know why it wouldn’t be natural. The extension and receptacle fit each other (not perfectly) for a reproductive purpose. Other than that it isn’t effective for recreational stimulation of nerve endings to produce orgasm. Maybe these woman need a little versed beforehand to help them forget the unpleasantness.

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[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
laugh all you want… but women like these are finding success in shaping the political landscape (yes means yes, etc.)

[/quote]

The Suffragettes have a lot to answer for. Who gave them the right to vote?

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[quote]Facepalm_Death wrote:
But ANIMALS in the WILD procreate via PIV, which is rape. So rape is natural?[/quote]

Pretty much.

Especially among dolphins, orang-utans and chimpanzees.

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This is most likely a troll job from the bodybuilding.com misc forum or reddit. Reads exactly like one of the troll articles I read on there. Guy had a thread about it making fun of the websites that were printing his fake article.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]Facepalm_Death wrote:
But ANIMALS in the WILD procreate via PIV, which is rape. So rape is natural?[/quote]

Pretty much.

Especially among dolphins, orang-utans and chimpanzees.

[/quote]

What about bobos?
[/quote]

Nah. With bonobos it’s always consensual…if not always PIV.

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
laugh all you want… but women like these are finding success in shaping the political landscape (yes means yes, etc.)

[/quote]

The Suffragettes have a lot to answer for. Who gave them the right to vote?
[/quote]

Congress.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]Facepalm_Death wrote:
But ANIMALS in the WILD procreate via PIV, which is rape. So rape is natural?[/quote]

Pretty much.

Especially among dolphins, orang-utans and chimpanzees.

[/quote]

What about bobos?
[/quote]

Nah. With bonobos it’s always consensual…if not always PIV.
[/quote]

I thought female chimps were little sluts too. Doing it with all males for the theorized purpose of all the males having a vested interest in all the babies since any of them could be the father of any baby.

On second thought, rival troops will kidnap females and I would assume rape them. So, my next thought is, do Bonobos engage in warfare like chimps do? I’ll probably now in a few minutes. Unless of course I hear my wife stirring before I find the answer. Then some, most likely consensual, sex will occur.

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Well, what do ya know, Bonobos are little sex-pots. Everyone has sex with everyone and to answer my question, they don’t engage in warfare with other troops. Varq was spot on.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]Facepalm_Death wrote:
But ANIMALS in the WILD procreate via PIV, which is rape. So rape is natural?[/quote]

Pretty much.

Especially among dolphins, orang-utans and chimpanzees.

[/quote]

What about bobos?
[/quote]

I still choose to believe that this was an immensly clever post in that it declared bobos (bourgeous bohemians) to be some sort of animal, loosely related to us, while leaving the door open for another interpretation.