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[quote]mharmar wrote:
I am so sick and tired of governments trying to tell people what they can do. They try and tell you what you can put in your body, what you can do with your money, and even what type of pet you can own. And people just take it nowadays, because they are all fat and apathetic, they have their bread and circuses so they are happy, they will never rise up and say when enough is enough. If governments had tried this shit 500 years ago it would have been violent.[/quote]

I agree. I don’t think people would never rise up, but it sure is taking a hell of a lot longer than it would have in the past.

I think people can only be pushed so far before snapping. Unfortunately “they” have found a way to keep many people fat and lazy enough to be afraid of fighting for their own rights, but not everyone, that’s for sure.

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Thanks for this post. Wanted to enhance your point by adding my own experiences.

I recently was honored by accepting a year and a half year old American Pit Bull Terrier from the Humane Society. He was neglected by his former family, but there were no signs of abuse.

Due to his neglect, he is 50 lbs right now, but is underweight and will be about 65 when he fills out.

My parents have a six month old, 12 pound Fox Terrier/Poodle mix. We recently introduced the two and whether doubters choose to believe it or not, the little dog went after my “attack” dog. My pit allowed this little “punter” to jump all over him, bite him and take the dominant position. They are now wonderful friends and run and play together. My parents (who were very hesitant at first because they thought my dog would be the aggressor), have now nick named my dog “Lenny” as in Of Mice and Men. “I’ll hug him and kiss him and call him George.” If you are unfamiliar, Lenny is a large oaf who just wants someone to care for (please accept my Reader’s Digest character analysis).

I would never have adopted my brown eyed boy if I thought there was any chance that he was not going to be anything but a loving, life-long companion. I could go on with stories about how wonderful he is with children, how well he minds and all the hoops I had to go through to get him, but I will simply leave with this: My “aggressive, uncontrollable, vicious” dog let a 12 lb, yippy, ankle-biter not only attack him, but also become his best friend.

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What most people know as a “pitbull” nowadays bares little other than a physical resemblance, if even that in a lot of cases, to what the old time dog fighters referred to simply as a “bulldog”.

With the banning of legal dogfighting and the explosion of ignorant, self interested, backyard breeders, the once marvelously high performance and utterly safe to humans “American Pit Bull Terrier” is all but dead anyway rendering this entire discussion all but moot.

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
I still don’t see how you have offered a solution for the propensity of people to get these dogs for their aggressiveness.
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Here’s a solution: all potential dog owners, regardless of breed, must go through a rigorous and exhausting background, criminal, and credit check to own and license their dog. Any licensing violations will be meet with stiff and harsh penalties and jail time. There will be no leniency in this matter. How’s that sound? That will keep all dogs, again, regardless of breed, in only the most responsible hands.

But first, this must be addressed. Like someone else said, by asking for a solution, you’re implying there’s a problem. What is the problem?

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[quote]malonetd wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
I still don’t see how you have offered a solution for the propensity of people to get these dogs for their aggressiveness.

Here’s a solution: all potential dog owners, regardless of breed, must go through a rigorous and exhausting background, criminal, and credit check to own and license their dog. Any licensing violations will be meet with stiff and harsh penalties and jail time. There will be no leniency in this matter. How’s that sound? That will keep all dogs, again, regardless of breed, in only the most responsible hands.

But first, this must be addressed. Like someone else said, by asking for a solution, you’re implying there’s a problem. What is the problem?
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Do you really not think there is a problem?

I like your idea of the checks.

I was thinking along the lines of maybe those people who have a felony criminal record for violent crime or drugs not be allowed to own those dogs. Those people who have proven to be unfit dog owners. That would be a start.

Violence begets violence.

As you stated, there is a difference between owning a labrador and owning a pitbull.

*edited for being off topic

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Do you really not think there is a problem?[/quote]
Instead of dancing around the question, tell me exactly what the problem is. Spell it out for me.

No, I never said that. I said there is a difference between “buying” the two dogs. Don’t call out others for not reading your links when you’re not even reading the posts.

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The car analogy is a good one BTW. Why? Simple. Stupid people can legally (and illegally) drive cars and do stupid things in them. ALL drivers don’t suffer the loss of their cars as a result of irresponsible ones. A bad dog 99.9999& of the time has an irresponsible owner. Sometimes they are this way out of ignorance and sometimes it is willful. Why should ALL dog owners suffer because of them? Understand the point? A car is property that is operated by a human. A dog is considered property that is supposed to be under the control of a human. It is a good analogy.

As far as making stricter laws and what not goes: it’s just like gun ownership. The jerks won’t be affected much as they are already breaking the law by how they raise and treat their dogs to begin with. Are we gonna create a secret dog police force that will go snooping around people’s backyards?

Anyway, the whole issue is overblown. I live in the inner city and I can tell you that I am more concerned about violence from people than from dogs. There are a lot of parents here who should have been spayed or neutered.

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Attack dog.

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Attacking my nephew…

(She was eating steak at this time, my dad was cutting meat at the counter and tossing it to the killer dog.)

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Biting my newborn…

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[quote]malonetd wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
I still don’t see how you have offered a solution for the propensity of people to get these dogs for their aggressiveness.

Here’s a solution: all potential dog owners, regardless of breed, must go through a rigorous and exhausting background, criminal, and credit check to own and license their dog. Any licensing violations will be meet with stiff and harsh penalties and jail time. There will be no leniency in this matter. How’s that sound? That will keep all dogs, again, regardless of breed, in only the most responsible hands.[/quote]

I am 100% for this.

[quote]But first, this must be addressed. Like someone else said, by asking for a solution, you’re implying there’s a problem. What is the problem?
[/quote]

Ahem…

“Someone”? I’m feeling neglected…

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[quote]malonetd wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
Do you really not think there is a problem?
Instead of dancing around the question, tell me exactly what the problem is. Spell it out for me.

As you stated, there is a difference between owning a labrador and owning a pitbull.

No, I never said that. I said there is a difference between “buying” the two dogs. Don’t call out others for not reading your links when you’re not even reading the posts.[/quote]

The problem is owners who buy these dogs to exploit their aggressive tendencies… as I have stated time and again.

Don’t say I have never stated the problem.

Another aspect of that problem is the fear of those dogs that this creates. Something else I have stated time and again. I have stated the problem.

If you want to start parcing sentences then this is going to get very involved.

I guess you could buy a dog and not own it…

in either case there is a difference between buying a labrador and a pitbull.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:
The car analogy is a good one BTW. Why? Simple. Stupid people can legally (and illegally) drive cars and do stupid things in them. ALL drivers don’t suffer the loss of their cars as a result of irresponsible ones. A bad dog 99.9999& of the time has an irresponsible owner. Sometimes they are this way out of ignorance and sometimes it is willful. Why should ALL dog owners suffer because of them? Understand the point? A car is property that is operated by a human. A dog is considered property that is supposed to be under the control of a human. It is a good analogy.

As far as making stricter laws and what not goes: it’s just like gun ownership. The jerks won’t be affected much as they are already breaking the law by how they raise and treat their dogs to begin with. Are we gonna create a secret dog police force that will go snooping around people’s backyards?

Anyway, the whole issue is overblown. I live in the inner city and I can tell you that I am more concerned about violence from people than from dogs. There are a lot of parents here who should have been spayed or neutered. [/quote]

I have never seen a car drive itself into car after car, attacking those other vehicles, without the presence of the owner. Does this happen often where you live?

If so then yes, that would make the car analogy a good one.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:
The car analogy is a good one BTW. Why? Simple. Stupid people can legally (and illegally) drive cars and do stupid things in them. ALL drivers don’t suffer the loss of their cars as a result of irresponsible ones. A bad dog 99.9999& of the time has an irresponsible owner. Sometimes they are this way out of ignorance and sometimes it is willful. Why should ALL dog owners suffer because of them? Understand the point? A car is property that is operated by a human. A dog is considered property that is supposed to be under the control of a human. It is a good analogy.

As far as making stricter laws and what not goes: it’s just like gun ownership. The jerks won’t be affected much as they are already breaking the law by how they raise and treat their dogs to begin with. Are we gonna create a secret dog police force that will go snooping around people’s backyards?

Anyway, the whole issue is overblown. I live in the inner city and I can tell you that I am more concerned about violence from people than from dogs. There are a lot of parents here who should have been spayed or neutered. [/quote]

Thanks for picking up the torch, man. I don’t think I could have gone around that circle one more time.

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[quote]derek wrote:
Biting my newborn…[/quote]

great photos.

I am not going to post the pictures of the viscious dogs or the results on the victims of the attacks. We all know those pictures exist also.

Not one poster has stated that the entire breed is a monster.

But keep listening to your own hype and denying another person’s concerns.

And sarcasm, “biting my newborn.” doesn’t really go well on the internet. I hope that is never a self-fulfilling prophecy for you.

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[quote]Dweezil wrote:
apwsearch wrote:
Listen.

You are the professional equivalent of little man’s syndrome.

For me to argue with you would be akin to me taking on one of my administrative assistants. You are a secretary (paralegal) who wishes she were an attorney (CEO).

My point is you are obviously good at research (details), but are lacking in practical application.

I suspect you had an assignment which lead you to conduct research parallel to your post.

That’s OK. However, don’t come on this forum and try to make a play at anything beyond a superficial level of knowledge because your post clearly proves otherwise.

Tell you what. Just admit you made a stupid fucking post and go away.

Per my recollection, this is the first time our paths have crossed and will likely be the last.

You are not all that memorable, anyway. I suspect I will have forgotten about this by tomorrow am.

I’d love to know how your claim of being the “CEO of three different companies” (which means nothing) directly applies to an argument about animals. Are you, infact, the CEO of Petsmart? Because if you are, I’ve got a hell of a product pitch.

Listen, it’s an advanced external imaging device, and what you do is you put it around the collar of your dog and if it’s a pitbull and you’re living in an area where they’re banned and someone walks by it creates the illusion that your dog is a bichon frise. Tell me if you’re interested, the patent is already in the works.

Judging by the level of self-validation you feel as if you have to provide without request in an attempt to legitimize yourself in a conversation about dogs on an internet forum for weightlifting I’m pretty surprised you haven’t torn a rotator cuff patting yourself on the back yet.

I too believe that breed is irrelevant and that pitbulls are directly targeted by this because they have an intimidating aesthetic appearance, and I think any laws banning the animals will only make the assholes that train dogs to fight find another breed to utilize.

I’d just thought I’d throw my hat in the ring since I like octobergirl, and while she may be a lowly paralegal wading through the seedy depths of obscurity with a below 7 figure income while you sit upon high in a throne made of gold and diamonds eating fine caviar and getting blown by SI cover models I am not a researcher, and I am an owner of a company. Only one, though. I guess I’ll have to create two other companies and get the paperwork filed to compete with you. After I’m done with that, we’re going to have a race to see who can go into as many threads as possible and talk about little man’s syndrome while speaking on the topic of how spectacular we are.

My dick is huge, by the way.[/quote]

holey shit, that was brilliant.

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
derek wrote:
Biting my newborn…

great photos.

I am not going to post the pictures of the viscious dogs or the results on the victims of the attacks. We all know those pictures exist also.

Not one poster has stated that the entire breed is a monster.

But keep listening to your own hype and denying another person’s concerns.

And sarcasm, “biting my newborn.” doesn’t really go well on the internet. I hope that is never a self-fulfilling prophecy for you.

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What hype are you referring to?

Actually, “Daisy” had to be put down, she had gotten very sick and it was the only avenue left unfortunately.

No, go ahead and post attack victim’s pictures. You’re gonna need something to back up some of your own hype you’ve been posting.

Listening to you, perhaps banning and/or killing the majority of male humans would be a good idea. I mean look at all the prisons loaded with violent adult male humans! Oh, sure SOME OF US behave but we can’t risk one more violent attack.

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
I guess you could buy a dog and not own it…

in either case there is a difference between buying a labrador and a pitbull.
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Do you not see the difference? I guess not since you haven’t made much sense this whole thread. I had to jump through hoops to buy my dog. If I had chose to buy a lab, I wouldn’t have had to do this.

As far as owning, there shouldn’t be much of difference between owning any dogs other than personality differences. All dogs need to be trained and loved and taught to be obedient. Where is this getting lost on you?

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The problem is owners who buy these dogs to exploit their aggressive tendencies… as I have stated time and again.

Don’t say I have never stated the problem. [/quote]
If that’s the problem, then it’s a small one since only a small minority of pitbull owners do this.

You must be out of your mind with worry if you’re that concerned with such a small percentage of pitbull owners.

There a small amount of people that buy gasoline for the sole purpose of making molotov cocktails. Does this concern you, too?

Look, there’s always going to be a small group of people that use a product for something other than what it was intended. That doesn’t make it a problem. That’s life.

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[quote]derek wrote:
Listening to you, perhaps banning and/or killing the majority of male humans would be a good idea. I mean look at all the prisons loaded with violent adult male humans! Oh, sure SOME OF US behave but we can’t risk one more violent attack.

[/quote]

I was going to make an analogy along these lines, but I don’t think she would get it. The majority of domestic violence is cause by males. Are all men evil?

I also thinks it speaks volumes that no one else has taken Octogirls side on this “problem”.

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[quote]malonetd wrote:

But first, this must be addressed. Like someone else said, by asking for a solution, you’re implying there’s a problem. What is the problem?
[/quote]

The problem is irresponsible owners not protecting their dogs from the potential for tragedy.

Too many owners mistake their dogs’ gentle actions around the family as a sign they won’t hurt others. Just because Pluto likes you kids doesn’t mean he extends the same courtesy to mine. The owner of the two Pits that nearly killed my son complained about his dogs being put down because they were so “gentle” with his kids.

Well, no fuking sht!!! Those two beasts nearly killed my 42 pound kid and he thinks they are gentle??? Guess what? Ted Bundy’s mom thought he was sweet too.

I don’t care if you keep a Pit (or Rott) in your yard. However, it is incumbent upon you to make darn sure it is impossible for the dog to ever get the opportunity to come into the street or my yard to attack my kids

Failing in that responsibility will lead to two actions on my part.

  1. I will execute the dog(s) involved in the attack.

  2. My lawyer will take your house.