[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
[quote]Severiano wrote:
concern all over the dogs face. [/quote]
I have come to the conclusion that people that write shit like this are insane. [/quote]
It’s insane to be this narrow minded.
There is nothing narrow minded about such a conclusion. “Oh look, he’s smiling!”.
[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
There is nothing narrow minded about such a conclusion. “Oh look, he’s smiling!”.[/quote]
Yes, there is. Dogs are basic: love, fear, compassion, anger, remorse, excitement, etc… If a dog does “wrong”, they’re aware of it. Your definitions may just differ.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
There is nothing narrow minded about such a conclusion. “Oh look, he’s smiling!”.[/quote]
Yes, there is. Dogs are basic: love, fear, compassion, anger, remorse, excitement, etc… If a dog does “wrong”, they’re aware of it. Your definitions may just differ.[/quote]
Oh, sure. It’s one thing when you think you can recognize it.
1 of my 2 pits. This is my 4 year old red nose. He is extremely protective, loyal, and sweet, if he knows you. He won’t attack you, if he doesn’t know you. But, he will stand about 5 feet away from you and let you know he doesn’t know you until I let him know you are okay.
I LOVE pitbulls. They are my favorite breed of dog. They are absolutely beautiful. I also help foster a few when the need arises from a local shelter. I have 2 pits, a great dane, and a golden retriever. All get along splendidly.
I pity the person who tries to lay a hand on my 6 year old or anyone in my close family with them around though.
[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
[quote]Severiano wrote:
concern all over the dogs face. [/quote]
I have come to the conclusion that people that write shit like this are insane. [/quote]
Well, that would make you uneducated about dog body language. You can tell a fuckload by the facial expression of a dog. Mouthes and eyes/ eye direction, how the head is held are all intuitive ways to read a dog. You might think it’s anthropomorphizing but it isn’t.
If you look at a dog ready to fight or bite, it’s usually holding eye contact, has a tight mouth/ lips are tight and bearing teeth.
Dogs also have an I’m sorry, or oh I fucked up master look as well. They hold their heads low, try to lick, avoid eye contact with a soft maw.
These are obviously accompanies with all sorts of bodylanguage. High tails usually accompany aggression.
Slacked body, and cowering body positions usually accompany an apologetic body… Simple shit.
Have you ever owned a dog?
[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
As a counterpoint, this also happened a few days ago.
http://www.sanduskyregister.com/article/perkins-township-fire-department/5299516
“The 11-month-old boy required 10 stitches for his injuries.
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The infant’s father expressed concern because the dog allegedly bit another child several years ago, the report said.
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The child’s father declined to pursue charges against the dog’s owner.”
So a dog, which allegedly bit a child once before, bit an infant on the head requiring stitches, but no charges are filed. Similar to the other story I posted, this is a goldendoodle, but if a pit were in the exact same situation, I highly doubt the dog would still be alive.[/quote]
Yeah, that dog should not be alive. When I was a kid my brother was bitten by a non-pitt when we were at… blah blah blah… anyway, if a dog seriously bites a child, the dog needs to go down. It should have gone down after it bit the first child.
We had a lab growing up. I remember my little brother (when he was a toddler), poking the dogs eyes, putting his arm down the dogs throat, and in general doing the stupid things toddlers do. The dog never bit.
We had a golden at the same time. The golden just would “leave” when my brother started up.
Both reactions by dogs are acceptable…biting is not.
My 2 cents.
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
As a counterpoint, this also happened a few days ago.
http://www.sanduskyregister.com/article/perkins-township-fire-department/5299516
“The 11-month-old boy required 10 stitches for his injuries.
…
The infant’s father expressed concern because the dog allegedly bit another child several years ago, the report said.
…
The child’s father declined to pursue charges against the dog’s owner.”
So a dog, which allegedly bit a child once before, bit an infant on the head requiring stitches, but no charges are filed. Similar to the other story I posted, this is a goldendoodle, but if a pit were in the exact same situation, I highly doubt the dog would still be alive.[/quote]
Yeah, that dog should not be alive. When I was a kid my brother was bitten by a non-pitt when we were at… blah blah blah… anyway, if a dog seriously bites a child, the dog needs to go down. It should have gone down after it bit the first child.
We had a lab growing up. I remember my little brother (when he was a toddler), poking the dogs eyes, putting his arm down the dogs throat, and in general doing the stupid things toddlers do. The dog never bit.
We had a golden at the same time. The golden just would “leave” when my brother started up.
Both reactions by dogs are acceptable…biting is not.
My 2 cents.
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I completely agree here. My oldest pit will be 4 in May and has grown up with children around him a lot. They could pull his tail, jump on him, pull his ears, poke him, chase him around, and he never showed an ounce of aggression. If he had, I would have put him down myself and dug the grave.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
[quote]Severiano wrote:
concern all over the dogs face. [/quote]
I have come to the conclusion that people that write shit like this are insane. [/quote]
It’s insane to be this narrow minded. [/quote]
I agree. First of all, as others have mentioned, dogs experience all the emotions that people do. Second of all, your going to call someone crazy due to the descriptive liberties they take when writing a story? Just what do you think of Stephen King?
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
[quote]Severiano wrote:
concern all over the dogs face. [/quote]
I have come to the conclusion that people that write shit like this are insane. [/quote]
It’s insane to be this narrow minded. [/quote]
I agree. First of all, as others have mentioned, dogs experience all the emotions that people do. Second of all, your going to call someone crazy due to the descriptive liberties they take when writing a story? Just what do you think of Stephen King?[/quote]
Started off great, but his books became super formulaic.
I have a cross pitt right now, and he’s great with my 6yr daughter, and I’ve had other pitty’s over the years that were raised right, and were good dogs. I think in most cases this is true, and I think that they’re are dirt bag owner’s that cause most of these concerns.
the other side of this that no one has brought up though, are pitty’s bread for fighting, or close blood lines to dogs bred to fight. I had a buddy when I was younger that was caught up with breeding and fighting pitt bulls, they selectivly bred them to fight, and if you took one of these dogs from birth, and raised it well, you still wouldn’t have a good dog. For the most part, I think pit bulls have been bread to have the look, and additude that most people want in these dogs, with big heads, and muscular bodies, most people want that look with a good temperment, and most of these dogs have been bred that way for generations.
The dogs I’ve seen that are bred to fight, don’t generaly look like what people think of as a pitt bull, they’re stringy, and rangy, with over sized heads to they’re bodies, with dogs it only takes a couple generations, to breed in or out, the traits your after. in suburbia, I only see the big muscled dogs with good temperments, they’ve been bred that way, but I imagine the closer you get to slummy area’s ( lack of a better word) the better the chance you would have to getting a dog with a fighting blood line, and no amount of training would make this a house pet, to be trusted around kids.
I would imagine most of this stems from shit head owner’s, but I think the other side of it, is what they were bred for, and how many generations, of good, or bad breeding they have. I think seeing the pic’s posted here, of the big red bones, and blues, these don’t look anything like what I’ve seen in real fighting dogs. I think they’ve been bred to look tough, and be gentle. If dog fighting was 100% stopped, and nobody was breeding them for this purpose any more, I think in a few generations, there would be no need for concern, but as long as people are still breeding them for fighting, these dogs are going to be giving the well bred one’s a bad name. thats my 2cents
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
I have a cross pitt right now, and he’s great with my 6yr daughter, and I’ve had other pitty’s over the years that were raised right, and were good dogs. I think in most cases this is true, and I think that they’re are dirt bag owner’s that cause most of these concerns.
the other side of this that no one has brought up though, are pitty’s bread for fighting, or close blood lines to dogs bred to fight. I had a buddy when I was younger that was caught up with breeding and fighting pitt bulls, they selectivly bred them to fight, and if you took one of these dogs from birth, and raised it well, you still wouldn’t have a good dog. For the most part, I think pit bulls have been bread to have the look, and additude that most people want in these dogs, with big heads, and muscular bodies, most people want that look with a good temperment, and most of these dogs have been bred that way for generations.
The dogs I’ve seen that are bred to fight, don’t generaly look like what people think of as a pitt bull, they’re stringy, and rangy, with over sized heads to they’re bodies, with dogs it only takes a couple generations, to breed in or out, the traits your after. in suburbia, I only see the big muscled dogs with good temperments, they’ve been bred that way, but I imagine the closer you get to slummy area’s ( lack of a better word) the better the chance you would have to getting a dog with a fighting blood line, and no amount of training would make this a house pet, to be trusted around kids.
I would imagine most of this stems from shit head owner’s, but I think the other side of it, is what they were bred for, and how many generations, of good, or bad breeding they have. I think seeing the pic’s posted here, of the big red bones, and blues, these don’t look anything like what I’ve seen in real fighting dogs. I think they’ve been bred to look tough, and be gentle. If dog fighting was 100% stopped, and nobody was breeding them for this purpose any more, I think in a few generations, there would be no need for concern, but as long as people are still breeding them for fighting, these dogs are going to be giving the well bred one’s a bad name. thats my 2cents
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Good stuff. Fighting line or not, pits are built to be badass and have the capacity for strength and violence.
Adopted fighting line pits by weak owners is bad news IMO.
Ya, I just saw that breeding, breeding for fighting was talked about back on page 3, my mistake, and as far as big powerful dogs, a friend of my sister’s breed a kind of dog, I beleive called a Dogo, I think they’re Afganistan, they’re fucking nutty looking, and don’t seem friendly. I’m usually pretty good around dogs, but these are intimidating, and if they become a popular breed, especialy with the dirt bag types, I think you’ll see full on fatality atacks. Anyway later
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
Ya, I just saw that breeding, breeding for fighting was talked about back on page 3, my mistake, and as far as big powerful dogs, a friend of my sister’s breed a kind of dog, I beleive called a Dogo, I think they’re Afganistan, they’re fucking nutty looking, and don’t seem friendly. I’m usually pretty good around dogs, but these are intimidating, and if they become a popular breed, especialy with the dirt bag types, I think you’ll see full on fatality atacks. Anyway later[/quote]
Irish wolfhounds, great danes, and few others are definitely capable of full fatality …like the terminology btw
I had a childhood friend that was nearly killed by a rotty. Watched a purebred pit go after some mexican kids. They ran in their house as me and my buddy started after the dog.
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
Ya, I just saw that breeding, breeding for fighting was talked about back on page 3, my mistake, and as far as big powerful dogs, a friend of my sister’s breed a kind of dog, I beleive called a Dogo, I think they’re Afganistan, they’re fucking nutty looking, and don’t seem friendly. I’m usually pretty good around dogs, but these are intimidating, and if they become a popular breed, especialy with the dirt bag types, I think you’ll see full on fatality atacks. Anyway later[/quote]
The Dogo Argentino
The wiki link- Dogo Argentino - Wikipedia
I have no experience with them, but there is a member here whom is very into high performance dogs that has one.
He’s been on lurk mode for the most part lately though.
Probably the best thing breeders can do for the breed is be very selective (like criminal background check selective) about who gets one and keep the price very very high.
The fellow I’m talking about, sister’s friend, has a farm where he grows pot, and he let’s a pair of these dogo’s run free, and you would not want to go near that place. they look alot like Pitty’s, just a foot taller. when you pull in his drive way, they’re big enough to just stick they’re head right in your car window, I’m thinking atleast 150lb dogs, with muscle’s bulging everywhere. I’ve never seen anything like them.
I’ve been around big dogs my whole life, in the biker world, everybody breeds rotty’s or pitty’s, but these are a whole different kinda monster. Strange enough, the reason I was there last summer, was because he breeds two kinds of dogs, these Dogo’s, and miniture dash hounds, and he had a dash hound that couldn’t be registered, because of the length of it’s legs, so my wife and I bought the little runt dash hound haven’t been able to get these Dogo’s out of my head, since our visit there.
Dash hound was killed by my next door neighbor’s sheperd by the way,. I’ve talked about it on another thread here before. the cops came and put down the sheperd. My neighbor still won’t talk to me, like it’s my fault his sheperd got put down. it jumped the fence and killed the dash hound, right in front of my 6yr daugther, and he didn’t want me to phone the cops, in my mind it could have been my daughter that got atacked. I think she’ll be scarred for life, having to stand there and watch her dog get ripped to shreds right in front of her. 10yrs ago I probably would have shot his dog myself, but I phoned the cops, and they took care of it.
The cops put down the dog? How? And what about due process? I’m not saying it shouldn’t have been euthanized but I don’t think that’s the cops’ place to decide that let alone do it.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
The cops put down the dog? How? And what about due process? I’m not saying it shouldn’t have been euthanized but I don’t think that’s the cops’ place to decide that let alone do it. [/quote]
They probably responded with animal control and took the dog away… Unless it was a rural area. I know a few guys who have performed such duties in remote areas.
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
The fellow I’m talking about, sister’s friend, has a farm where he grows pot, and he let’s a pair of these dogo’s run free, and you would not want to go near that place.
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Check out what these growers were using to guard their crops in BC.
anyway I phoned the cops, who brought animal control, who then took the dog to be put down, it was a whole process, the only prblem was, and still is, the fact he had two sheperds ( guard dogs) that look the same, and we had to take his word on which one did the attack, and he kept the other one.
The dash hound had already been attacked by his dogs about 8mth prior to this, but it lived ( 1200$) and there was a descrepency what side of the fence the attack happened on. he split the first vet bill wth me, and promised to build a cage or a better fence, so when the second attack happened i wasn’t playing around, I phoned the cops right away, and I wanted both dogs put down, but they only took one.