Picking a Branch of the Service

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[quote]gatesoftanhauser wrote:
meangenes wrote:
gatesoftanhauser wrote:
hel320 wrote:

Taxi Service? Pussies? Seals/Pararescue/FACs/SeeBees Nothing as macho as those ole’ enginneers.

97% total force non-deployability rate (USAF) isn’t what I’d call “macho”. Yeah the Navy has SEALS, and they make up a small percentage of the Navy.

Like I originally, said, if you’re a pussy, choose a “taxi service”

So technically, if you join the Navy with the intent that you will go SEALs, then you are an even bigger pussy? I understand… You’re operating on reverse logic today.

Is it retard day on T-Nation?

SEALS/USAF Downed Pilot Rescue aren’t pussies, let me make that clear. However, when the overwhelming majority of your service is tehnically based and can’t deploy to go fight, sorry, that relegates your service (USAF/NAVY) to “Taxi” status.

And yes, I am retarded. I rode a short bus to school, have to wear a stilted platform shoe and have to have hand brakes installed on my wheelchair.
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So are you in the service, Gates? You skipped over my post. :frowning:

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[quote]BrunoVaughn wrote:
If you plan on going the OCS route, you need to get a technical degree. People with English, Psychology, etc. need to go through a couple years of ROTC while in college. At least that’s how it was for the AF about 10 years ago. Not sure about the other branches.

I was AF enlisted and did intel for four years, during non-war time.

The only advice I have is don’t go in thinking the movies you watch are accurate.[/quote]

You can go to OTS if you have a non-technical degree in the AF, now.

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Do NOT go “nuke” in the Navy. Being on a sub sucks and the money isn’t worth it and neither is nuclear power school. Don’t go surface navy either. They don’t need more JOs in the surface navy unless the situation has changed in the past 3 years. [/quote]

If you go nuke in the Navy and get out you can make a lot of money.

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[quote]hazarddude334 wrote:
im in the navy and can u say IA mission i have fellow shipmates going out there helping the marines and army. can someone explaine to me why the navy enlisted personal have the highest asvab score? i can only wonder why. we put more planes in the air then the air force, transport more people then any one and drop a hell of a lot more bombs then the army or marines, a bullet might kill one person but a missle will take them all out. i cant stand marines who think there better then any one bc i do my job well and take pride in w/e i do. now with that said
the airforce from what i see has the best quality of life and technology.
army my cousin is currently out so i got nothing but love for them.
marines there is no better brotherhood and rank is followed strictly so if u become a officer your somewhat of a god to enlisted.[/quote]

I take it you’re not exactly the Navy’s pride and joy.

Or even among their most literate, for that matter.

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[quote]gatesoftanhauser wrote:
hel320 wrote:

Taxi Service? Pussies? Seals/Pararescue/FACs/SeeBees Nothing as macho as those ole’ enginneers.

97% total force non-deployability rate (USAF) isn’t what I’d call “macho”. Yeah the Navy has SEALS, and they make up a small percentage of the Navy.

Like I originally, said, if you’re a pussy, choose a “taxi service”[/quote]

You are obviously more knowledgable on the subject. Forgive me for having had the gaul to defend those pussy services. Does that make you the dick service? Grow up.

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[quote]JokerFMJ wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Do NOT go “nuke” in the Navy. Being on a sub sucks and the money isn’t worth it and neither is nuclear power school. Don’t go surface navy either. They don’t need more JOs in the surface navy unless the situation has changed in the past 3 years.

If you go nuke in the Navy and get out you can make a lot of money.[/quote]

What does it take to go nuke? I am reasonably intelligent, I hold a BS in Econ, but I don’t have a strong math background. What do they want in a candidate?

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[quote]beebuddy wrote:
JokerFMJ wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Do NOT go “nuke” in the Navy. Being on a sub sucks and the money isn’t worth it and neither is nuclear power school. Don’t go surface navy either. They don’t need more JOs in the surface navy unless the situation has changed in the past 3 years.

If you go nuke in the Navy and get out you can make a lot of money.

What does it take to go nuke? I am reasonably intelligent, I hold a BS in Econ, but I don’t have a strong math background. What do they want in a candidate?[/quote]

Are you not strong in math or do you just not have the formal math background? If you personally are not strong in math I would not recommend even trying.

You have to have a high enough ASVAB to qualify, have to qualify for a Top Secret security clearance and then you just have to get approved and get through school/training.

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[quote]hel320 wrote:
gatesoftanhauser wrote:
hel320 wrote:

Taxi Service? Pussies? Seals/Pararescue/FACs/SeeBees Nothing as macho as those ole’ enginneers.

97% total force non-deployability rate (USAF) isn’t what I’d call “macho”. Yeah the Navy has SEALS, and they make up a small percentage of the Navy.

Like I originally, said, if you’re a pussy, choose a “taxi service”

You are obviously more knowledgable on the subject. Forgive me for having had the gaul to defend those pussy services. Does that make you the dick service? Grow up.[/quote]

He also needs to do some research, but I agree with your post.

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[quote]JokerFMJ wrote:
beebuddy wrote:
JokerFMJ wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Do NOT go “nuke” in the Navy. Being on a sub sucks and the money isn’t worth it and neither is nuclear power school. Don’t go surface navy either. They don’t need more JOs in the surface navy unless the situation has changed in the past 3 years.

If you go nuke in the Navy and get out you can make a lot of money.

What does it take to go nuke? I am reasonably intelligent, I hold a BS in Econ, but I don’t have a strong math background. What do they want in a candidate?

Are you not strong in math or do you just not have the formal math background? If you personally are not strong in math I would not recommend even trying.

You have to have a high enough ASVAB to qualify, have to qualify for a Top Secret security clearance and then you just have to get approved and get through school/training.[/quote]

Oooh, yea, I probably won’t be able to get the security clearance.

Well, on another note, if I enter the service with plans to specialize in one thing can the feds just shuffle me into some other field that I am not even interested in? How does that work?

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Marines Forced Recon!

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[quote]beebuddy wrote:

Oooh, yea, I probably won’t be able to get the security clearance.

Well, on another note, if I enter the service with plans to specialize in one thing can the feds just shuffle me into some other field that I am not even interested in? How does that work?[/quote]

You might be surprised. When I worked in the MI community I knew a guy that was convicted of assault and still got his Top Secret clearance. The clearance level is just a small part. Intell is compartmented so just having a TS doesnt really mean you will have access to something.

Depending on the service or entrance program there is the possibility to be shuffled. If I recall the Airforce doesnt necessarily guarantee a job. The Army will unless you enlist under the 18X program. I dont know about the Navy or the Marines.

Sean

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[quote]sjoconn wrote:
beebuddy wrote:

Oooh, yea, I probably won’t be able to get the security clearance.

Well, on another note, if I enter the service with plans to specialize in one thing can the feds just shuffle me into some other field that I am not even interested in? How does that work?

You might be surprised. When I worked in the MI community I knew a guy that was convicted of assault and still got his Top Secret clearance. The clearance level is just a small part. Intell is compartmented so just having a TS doesnt really mean you will have access to something.

Depending on the service or entrance program there is the possibility to be shuffled. If I recall the Airforce doesnt necessarily guarantee a job. The Army will unless you enlist under the 18X program. I dont know about the Navy or the Marines.

Sean

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Thanks for the input.

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What is this security clearance? I don’t have a record of any sort.

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[quote]meangenes wrote:
What is this security clearance? I don’t have a record of any sort.[/quote]

It just a measure of what level of classified info you can be exposed to/work with. Dont get to worked up over it. Most people in the service only require or are granted a confidential if even that. Most of the Special Operations community has a secret, and the MI community and other select officers, staff REMFs, etc are granted a top secret.

The higher the level of clearance the more thorough the back ground investigation on you would be.

Sean

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If you are an officer in the army you MUST be approved of a secret security clearance, regardless of branch.

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[quote]Liquid447 wrote:
If you are an officer in the army you MUST be approved of a secret security clearance, regardless of branch.[/quote]

I think my USMC OSO told me the same thing, said I would have to give up my second passport, fine by me.

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[quote]sjoconn wrote:
You might be surprised. When I worked in the MI community I knew a guy that was convicted of assault and still got his Top Secret clearance. The clearance level is just a small part. Intell is compartmented so just having a TS doesnt really mean you will have access to something.

Depending on the service or entrance program there is the possibility to be shuffled. If I recall the Airforce doesnt necessarily guarantee a job. The Army will unless you enlist under the 18X program. I dont know about the Navy or the Marines.

Sean

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The AF will only guarantee SpecOps slots, and if you’re a Med Drop during training they’ll give you a chance to separate or choose a different AFSC. If you fail or quit then I think they just give you another AFSC.

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[quote]JokerFMJ wrote:
beebuddy wrote:
JokerFMJ wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Do NOT go “nuke” in the Navy. Being on a sub sucks and the money isn’t worth it and neither is nuclear power school. Don’t go surface navy either. They don’t need more JOs in the surface navy unless the situation has changed in the past 3 years.

If you go nuke in the Navy and get out you can make a lot of money.

What does it take to go nuke? I am reasonably intelligent, I hold a BS in Econ, but I don’t have a strong math background. What do they want in a candidate?

Are you not strong in math or do you just not have the formal math background? If you personally are not strong in math I would not recommend even trying.

You have to have a high enough ASVAB to qualify, have to qualify for a Top Secret security clearance and then you just have to get approved and get through school/training.[/quote]

My friend was a geography major and made it through nuclear power school. I majored in EE and said, “Hell no!” to the idea of nuke.

I warned the OP. NOT. MY. FAULT. if he does it.

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Navy guarantees jobs, and you can contract in with option to try out for SEAL/SWCC/Diver/EOD, but you will have to pass the PT test in boot camp to keep that option and the associated signing bonus. PT test consists of 500M swim(side or breaststroke ONLY), max pushups and situps in 2:00 each, max pullups(no time limit), and 1.5 mile run(either boots and pants or shoes and shorts, depending on program).

Minimum scores vary depending on program. Pushups and situps are 42 and 50 across the board, unless it has changed. If you can do 10+ pullups after swimming and pushups/situps, then you are good to go. Run time is around 12 minutes to pass. Obviously you want to do your best, but as long as you are above the minimums, you’re fine.

Army: you can contract in with 18X(SF option), as well as Ranger and Airborne options, but you must have that in contract BEFORE you go to boot. A friend of mine just went through basic thinking he’d have the option to try out for Airborne once he was there, but no dice. Again, whatever is involved in the process, assume you will have to pass them in boot camp to keep the option.

And to whoever was making fun of the ‘SpecOps is an option’ comment, those programs are an option for EVERYONE. As long as you meet the requirements(ASVAB, vision, etc), the rest is all on you. I barely passed the basic swim test (50M any stroke) when I joined, but after teaching myself sidestroke, made it to NSW anyway.

Making such comments shows your ignorance of the issue. SEALs/SF/Rangers/PJs/etc. are not ninjas, they are not gods, they are not superhuman. They are ordinary men who worked their ass off to attain their goals.

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[quote]boatguy wrote:
Navy guarantees jobs, and you can contract in with option to try out for SEAL/SWCC/Diver/EOD, but you will have to pass the PT test in boot camp to keep that option and the associated signing bonus. PT test consists of 500M swim(side or breaststroke ONLY), max pushups and situps in 2:00 each, max pullups(no time limit), and 1.5 mile run(either boots and pants or shoes and shorts, depending on program). Minimum scores vary depending on program. Pushups and situps are 42 and 50 across the board, unless it has changed. If you can do 10+ pullups after swimming and pushups/situps, then you are good to go. Run time is around 12 minutes to pass. Obviously you want to do your best, but as long as you are above the minimums, you’re fine.

Army: you can contract in with 18X(SF option), as well as Ranger and Airborne options, but you must have that in contract BEFORE you go to boot. A friend of mine just went through basic thinking he’d have the option to try out for Airborne once he was there, but no dice. Again, whatever is involved in the process, assume you will have to pass them in boot camp to keep the option.

And to whoever was making fun of the ‘SpecOps is an option’ comment, those programs are an option for EVERYONE. As long as you meet the requirements(ASVAB, vision, etc), the rest is all on you. I barely passed the basic swim test (50M any stroke) when I joined, but after teaching myself sidestroke, made it to NSW anyway.

Making such comments shows your ignorance of the issue. SEALs/SF/Rangers/PJs/etc. are not ninjas, they are not gods, they are not superhuman. They are ordinary men who worked their ass off to attain their goals.[/quote]

Good points.
I didnt know that about the Navy. Ive worked with the guys a little, but that kind of thing never really comes up.

When I stated that 18X was not a job guarantee, I meant that you are guaranteed the option, but that doesnt guarantee the job. You have to work your ass off for the job. It just guarantees your place to try out.

There are no super human people in the community. Just a bunch of people who are more dedicated and willing to push themselves much further than the run of the mill Joe wondering around most bases.

Sean