Just like the topic says! Which do you prefer (without naming labs) pharm grade or a good UG? Share experiences and feedback.
My first Experience went like this…I ordered 1EQ and 1 test E. 3rd week into my cycle I decided I wanted to extend my cycle longer than originally planned, so I ordered test 500 an another EQ…Turns out the Test 500 was bunk and it severely fucked up my cycle. Since that I’m weary of trusting UG labs.
I know that there are some very reputable ones, but still makes me think twice and its making me think to go pharm grade each time. You guys think it’s worth paying more for the pharm grade? Please chime in guys!
My experience is only 2 injections (ventro glute) in, but with my pharm grade I have felt 0 injection soreness (minor stiffness), while others I know who inject UG have felt large amounts of soreness. As far as how well it worked, ill tell you in 11 weeks.
[quote]xdime00 wrote:
My experience is only 2 injections (ventro glute) in, but with my pharm grade I have felt 0 injection soreness (minor stiffness), while others I know who inject UG have felt large amounts of soreness. As far as how well it worked, ill tell you in 11 weeks.[/quote]
UG I used had zero soreness on the gear that was actually good…
I have had one great pharm experience and the rest were just ‘normal’ the same drug though so its good for this purpose.
Deca… norma pharm and organon pharm…
Norma: Plenty of bloat as expected… gave best gains at 2mg/lb bw… as is recommended for Deca. Gains started at week 4-5 properly.
Good size when used alone, good results.
Organon: Gains started at week 2, Alot less water… alot less. Gains surpassed norma at 300mg/wk with just 200mg/wk organon.
Very high quality results. Perfectly adequate for a cycle when used alone (with proviron in both cases of course)
The only UG deca i have tried was eco-oils and that shit needed at least 500mg to get results. IF you EVER need that much deca to gain when under 200lbs, then you better check your source.
400mg should serve a 200lber very well indeed.
If you can get organon yellow cap - its worth the extra $30 or whatever… it is like doubling some crappy UG lab dose IMO.
The only other drugs i did that were pharma were sust, winstrol and primobolan but i havent had comparisons with those.
Plus the sust was stopped prematurely and the primo was too low a dose… live and learn.
I have had one great pharm experience and the rest were just ‘normal’ the same drug though so its good for this purpose.
Deca… norma pharm and organon pharm…
Norma: Plenty of bloat as expected… gave best gains at 2mg/lb bw… as is recommended for Deca. Gains started at week 4-5 properly.
Good size when used alone, good results.
Organon: Gains started at week 2, Alot less water… alot less. Gains surpassed norma at 300mg/wk with just 200mg/wk organon.
Very high quality results. Perfectly adequate for a cycle when used alone (with proviron in both cases of course)
The only UG deca i have tried was eco-oils and that shit needed at least 500mg to get results. IF you EVER need that much deca to gain when under 200lbs, then you better check your source.
400mg should serve a 200lber very well indeed.
If you can get organon yellow cap - its worth the extra $30 or whatever… it is like doubling some crappy UG lab dose IMO.
The only other drugs i did that were pharma were sust, winstrol and primobolan but i havent had comparisons with those.
Plus the sust was stopped prematurely and the primo was too low a dose… live and learn.
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You make some good points Brook, didn’t think there would be that much of a difference between Norma and Org. Also didn’t think UG was that bad, needing double the standard.
They are yellow caps indeed
How come you stopped the sustanon early? How did you like it?
I am not saying all UGs are half… let me re-read what i wrote…
Ya - double some crappy UG. But a quality one like BD is as good as norma i would guess.
But for the good stuff 2mg/lb is meant to be the sweet spot and that was true with norma, but with organon i got better results with less than that amount… so 2mg/lb would be real nice IMO.
Hope that makes sense - i do have a tendancy to ramble…
The sust! that was meant to be my third cycle… 8 weeks at 250mg injected on fridays… on advise of my ‘supplier’ who was also a friend… and a large guy who did a similar protocol…
On asking if i needed any nolvadex (i had been reading!) he said - nah, i never use it and i’m fine…
So 2 shots in and i had to stop, puffy nips. Had to be cautios ever since! lol!
Ive personally been very happy with my UG experience. Possibly its been due to access to good labs. And as of late most of my stuff has been homebrew.
The only pharm stuff i have done in the past has been mostly that dirty mexican stuff. It obviously worked and I didnt end up with any issues, however many others have.
I’m happy with the UG stuff I’ve used, but what I’ve been using has been pre-2005 BD and another pretty reputable lab based out of thailand, and I can import legally so it is still a buyers’ market here.
I’m sure that pharm grade would give me a better overall experience, but as far as bang-for-your-buck, my bucks have bought me quite a bit of bang, as anyone who has followed my last couple of logs could attest.
Pharm only. I know it’s properly dosed, high quality, sterility will never be an issue, no harmful additives will be used without my knowledge; and it will be produced in an “actual” lab with clean rooms etc. I’m sure some UG labs put out a fine product. But, why gamble with the cost to health ratio.
Favorite Pharm Grade Product’s:
*Cidoteston 250MG/ML…Amps (Giza, Egypt)- I’ve tried them all, and this is hands down, the best “Test E” I’ve ever used in all regards. Inexpensive as well
*Omnadren 250MG/ML…Amps(Jelfa, Poland)- Great bang for your buck. The new version contains the exact same ingredients as Sustanon 250. However, it is often dosed a few milligrams higher, and is considerably cheaper. If you dig Sustanon, then you’d be a fool for not switching to the Omnas.
1 amp x M,W,F- and you will be very happy. The prior excessive bloating issues w/ Omnas are a thing of the past, ever since the re-formulation. That’s a 16 wk cycle for 2 bills. It doesn’t get any cheaper than that- unless, you make your own gear.
As a guy who considers himself to be pretty resourceful im kinda dumbfounded at this 16wk 750mg/week omna cycle for 2 bens? now i feel like a turd that i cant get omnas at 4bucks and change!
[quote]LillGuy001 wrote:
Id likely throw back a bunch of omnadren as well if I could find it for just over 4 bucks an amp.
Pharm grade stuff would be great if cost and availability wasnt such an issue.
Homebrew has been a great alternative if you put forth the minimal effort it takes to figure out the process.[/quote]
When it comes to Testosterone, (which is my main staple)- You can easily find very affordable Pharmacy Grade products out there.
** Especially, for the (2) manufacturers I listed. You just need to keep digging. That’s one of the main reasons I keep it simple for the most part, and just stick with Test if I’m strapped for cash. If you do it right, 5-6 bills should be enough to run 750MG/WK of Test year round, with some cruising here and there @ 250MG/WK.
[quote]Game_over wrote:
As a guy who considers himself to be pretty resourceful im kinda dumbfounded at this 16wk 750mg/week omna cycle for 2 bens? now i feel like a turd that i cant get omnas at 4bucks and change! [/quote]
specials my friend! That’s for 50 amps. Divided by 3 amp/Wk = precisely 16.666667 WKS lol.
[quote]Game_over wrote:
well damn i need to be finding me some specials! 50 amps of test even if its a blend like that, for 200 bucks is awesome. [/quote]
[quote]Game_over wrote:
Well damn i need to be finding me some specials! 50 amps of test even if its a blend like that, for 200 bucks is awesome. [/quote]
Well G/Over, I’ve been at this since 94’, well before the internet had any influence on the AS market. Needless to say, I have MANY face to face acquaintances who’ve been in the game as long or longer than I have.
Even though, I myself, don’t buy gear via internet- just in the past month alone of doing some extensive searching, I have seen a handful of people offering very close to what I am offered. All it takes is time, trust, and networking to get the prices down to what I’d mentioned. Take care man.
Never used pharms. Would like to but somethings don’t come from the pharm. All my UGL stuff has been first rate and generally is cheaper than pharm stuff. Having said that quality should always trump price
