Pervasive Anti-Americanism

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]rainjack wrote:
orion wrote:

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You think economically you are still number one? If so, you should feel our breath on your neck.

Number one has nothing to do with it. Once again, your yipping is outpacing your ability to understand that without us soecifically our markets - Europe will go broke
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I left out all the namecalling and focused on the one fact that you had the guts to mention. It’s a lie of course.

Who’s accumulating the biggest debt in history, the US or Europe?

I’ld like a short simple answer please.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
rainjack wrote:

and wreckless pipes up to spout the ABB talking points.

It is going to be a great day in November when the republicans keep control of congress. It will send the Chief America Hater into a dimension of hatred we have never seen before.

And I will laugh my ass off for another 2 years while reading wreckless’ hate filled stupidity.

Have you been laughing the past 2 years over Iraq?

Who would know more about hate filled stupidity then you?

No - I have been laughing for the last 2 years at you and your maniacal hatred of George Bush and the conservatives.

I am looking forward to another 2. [/quote]

Well, perhaps you shouldn’t have been paying that much attention to imaginary hatred for George and his merry gang, and keep an eye on the real situation out there.

You probably wouldn’t have been laughing for the last 2 years then.

Were you laughing when you saw people dying on your tv.
Were you laughing when you saw the build up of the biggest deficit ever seen in history.
Were you laughing when the talking head explained to you that future generations (that would be your kids) will have to pay it off.

There’s a lot of laughter in mental institutions you know.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
orion wrote:
This is what got for “pegged”:

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=pegged&x=0&y=0

I think pegged in an economic sense would mean a fixed exchange rate or at last to be strongly influenced by another currency.

And the Euro is very much pegged to the U.S. dollar, as is most every other currency in the world. There is a reason for that: The stability of the US and our money supply.

Fixed exchange rate is not accurate. There are no such thing as a fixed exchange rate in the currency market.

Face it - the dollar is the measuring stick for the world’s currencies. Which is the point I was trying to make. [/quote]

ok back to the real world.

The value of the euro has risen considerable when compared to the dollar. This has allowed us to sit out much of the increase in the price of oil. Since oil is payed in US$, the increase has been much less for us than for you guys.

But hey, keep laughing eh . . .

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
orion wrote:
This is what got for “pegged”:

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=pegged&x=0&y=0

I think pegged in an economic sense would mean a fixed exchange rate or at last to be strongly influenced by another currency.

And the Euro is very much pegged to the U.S. dollar, as is most every other currency in the world. There is a reason for that: The stability of the US and our money supply.

Fixed exchange rate is not accurate. There are no such thing as a fixed exchange rate in the currency market.

Face it - the dollar is the measuring stick for the world’s currencies. Which is the point I was trying to make. [/quote]

But a lot of central banks are using the Euro now as a second currency and more and more oil deals are done in Euro.

The word is not going to stop turning just because you want it to.

If all of this goes on, Europeans will go on a shopping spree in the US, like the Japanese did in the 80`s.

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[quote]THE BLADE wrote:
It’s strange to me how it seems that only non-Americans can see the errors in your country’s policies, and how this can reflect upon your national image to outsiders.

I’m English, yet i can admit ‘my’ royal family are nepotistic, dissolute Germanic parasites. I can admit Tony Blair has upset a lot of people. We have one of the highest underage pregnancy levels in Europe. Also some of the biggest alcohol-related problems in the world.[/quote]

Is that the height citizenship to you, BLADE?

What about the wonderful things in your country?

Can you see those things too?

It isn’t naive to celebrate the fact that your government has stood strong against the forces of evil time and again (even if it means they agree with your personal boogeyman, GWB).

[quote]Being able to see why your country of birth may be repellant to others is a step towards harmony with other people.

Jingoism (ie support of wars without empathy, blind defence of your mistakes etc) is unhealthy. It is also dominant, it seems.[/quote]

I empathize with the victims of the Iraq and Afghanistan war.

I do not empathize one bit with terrorists in Guantanamo.

What exactly would lead you to this conclusion?

Would you say it’s our norm to duck confrontation?

Do you think President Guilliani wouldn’t stare down the Chinese?

Won’t happen. But, I have an example: 1783.

JeffR

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[quote]blck1jack wrote:
Um perhaps you didn’thar but we did find a great oil reserve. Its right off the east coast and the gulf. The current iscovery made this past week, increased the US oil reserve by 50%. That’s a pretty big find if you ask me. BTW, gas and oil have fallen over 40 cents in the past week.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51837

In my opinion the towel heads can go and drink it.[/quote]

Some nice information and links from the link you provided but it really doesn’t refute anything I said.

World oil production stands at around 30 billion barrels of oil per year as of 2005. A find that is projected to increase U.S. reserves by 50% being a paltry 4 months worth of global demand only supports the reality that non Middle East oil is not going to supply the world for very much longer.

Here is a link that I used to reference the worlds oil production in 2005.

I have to support our leaders belief that depending on unproven theoretical scenarios can not replace the consensus that Middle East oil is the most logical and proven source of energy for the worlds future demand.

I will repeat that how our leaders create policy based on this belief is more open to debate but the question is not if we should act in the Middle East but how.

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[quote]Wreckless wrote:
dannyrat wrote:
I don’t necceessarily think Britain is beta, but even if it is, i’m cool with that. I’m not Beta. I’m not Britain. I’m Dan. I act as i see fit, don’t care what someone says about my country if it’s true. It’s not like if someone talks about my mum.

Say my benching form was bad, and someone said ‘do it like this, it’ll spare your shoulders’ (thanks eric and mike) i’d listen, and try it. Why is it heresy to criticise the policy of the alleged world leader?

If you don’t know about China vs Taiwan, you’ll get a surprise. It’ll happen. I’m no prophet, it’s just a standard thing. Just like i know the US will be in many other people’s countries this year, and will benefit in one way or another from their involvement. I’m sorry, but weapons cost money, someone always gets paid off others’ suffering.

There is no reason for me to dislike the US. I don’t. I dislike some Americans, some attitudes, some wars.

All you just said was ‘nan-na you’re jealous.’

I’m not. I’m the outsider who can see what is right under your nose everyday, and is now invisible.

You see Danny. The poor people, the stupid fucks like rainjack, headhunter and Effr0, they don’t have anything but that flag.
That’s all they’ve got.
Without it they’re trash.
They don’t have anything to be proud about in their personal life.
Everything is in that flag.

So when you dare to criticise their precious leader, when you have the nerve to point out the consequences of the actions of their country, you threaten to take away everything.
That’s why the retaliate by calling your country a beta country. And they are surprised when you’re not offended.

These are not rational humans. They call themselves alpha-males. They don’t have to use their mind. It’s all knee-jerk reaction. Nothing going there between the ears.

There’s quite a lot of those people around everywhere. Thank god the majority of the American people is coming to its senses and vote the morons out of the white house.

The grown ups will be cleaning up the damage for decades though.[/quote]

Easily the post of the year!!!

reckless, I’m enjoying your pain.

You do know that the dems are going to lose in 2006 and 2008?

Can you see through your bloodshot eyes?

Oh, if you are convinced that the dems (who agree with many of your core convictions) are going to win, perhaps you should put your money on the table.

I’m inviting you to join the CHALLENGE II!!!

I know, you’re yellow. But, I want to make sure the haters are invited.

By the way, reckless, if you and your eu pals are doing so fantastic, why spend so much time obsessing about the United States? Why are you here?

Why not go to a (laugh) belgian message board? You and your sweaty little gang could have a group circle jerk. Maybe you could talk about the belgian congo or the other times you were in the news.

Scratch that. It would be too painful. You guys only make headlines when history runs you over: circa 1940/1815. Or, as I noted, when you committ genocidal crime.

If you choose to leave, I would miss you. However, I may your only fan. I have more respect for malignant pus pimples who express pure, unashamed malice, than guys who don’t admit their biases.

JeffR

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[quote]orion wrote:
If all of this goes on, Europeans will go on a shopping spree in the US, like the Japanese did in the 80`s.[/quote]

Is that nationalism creeping into your writing?

On a serious note, I have no worry about the europeans becoming united. You guys have had a tribal mentality from the get go. I don’t have any fear that you’d be able to put aside your petty differences long enough or effectively enough to make a run at the dominant superpower on the planet.

I enjoy reading about your eu meetings.

I fully expect them to degenerate into, “nah nah na nah nah” at any momement.

JeffR

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[quote]Wreckless wrote:
Go-Rilla wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Name a time since the war of 1812 that we needed Euro troops to help us in any war. I doubt you will find any. France bank rolled the revolution, and donated some troops. But when was the last time any Euro-troopers were here - or anywhere else on the globe because we needed them?

I never said we were the new Rome. We are not imperialist like them, or the british, or the Spanish, or the French, or the Portuguese - or even the Germans of the 20th century.

We have no desire to rule the world. Although we are, and have been, the world’s baby sitter for some time now - that is because of the weakness of Europe not the imperialistic desires of the U.S.

The world’s currencies are pegged to the U.S. dollar because we are the model of stability compared to the rest of the world.

Like I said - make all the jokes you want. Dream up the wittiest retorts you can. The fact remains - much to your chagrin - that the U.S. is the standard by which all nations are measured.

Let me rephrase that in Zap’s vernacular: We are the Alpha Male. Europe is at best a bitchy little yippy beta male.

Until we are knocked off - nothing will change. You can look 50 years down the road with baited breath if you like, but the U.S. will still be at the front of the pack, while Europe continues to bitch and moan.

I normally stay out of these threads and just enjoy reading them but this is one of the best posts I’ve seen yet.

Very well put indeed!

The notion that the US is not imperialist is rediculous. And you’re offending every primate by calling this one of the best posts.
It’s just another stupid post by another stupid flag waving moron.[/quote]

No one can argue that there are similarities between previous world empires and the U.S. but also some very big important differences too.

We don’t have official institutionalized military colonization of territory and enslavement of populations. Until we do being hateful towards Americans because we are imperial tyrants is ridiculous.

These types of anger filled simplistic posts don’t add much weight to your views or to the discussion in general. In fact this is the exact type of crap that this thread rightfully challenges.

Rainjack’s tone might be blunt and confrontational as well but at least he adds some reasonable points to the topic while he’s at it.

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[quote]JeffR wrote:
orion wrote:
If all of this goes on, Europeans will go on a shopping spree in the US, like the Japanese did in the 80`s.

Is that nationalism creeping into your writing?

On a serious note, I have no worry about the europeans becoming united. You guys have had a tribal mentality from the get go. I don’t have any fear that you’d be able to put aside your petty differences long enough or effectively enough to make a run at the dominant superpower on the planet.

I enjoy reading about your eu meetings.

I fully expect them to degenerate into, “nah nah na nah nah” at any momement.

JeffR

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That is not nationalism.

One of the reasons I can order a lot out of the US right now is that the dollar is so cheap.

The same is true for the big players who swallow whole companies.

The EU is an awesome project, comparable to the moon landing.

On a continent divided by tribal warfare since forever, we forge a global player out of dozens independent nations and they are flocking to us like there is no tomorrow.

That is a GRAND vision, that is thinking about the future, that, my friend is entrepreneurial spirit, it is the future.

Meanwhile, the US thinks everything is a nail just because it has a hammer.

Or to put it another way, just because you call it a war, soldiers are not the answer.

WE get things DONE…

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[quote]JeffR wrote:
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Easily the post of the year!!!

reckless, I’m enjoying your pain.

You do know that the dems are going to lose in 2006 and 2008?

Can you see through your bloodshot eyes?

Oh, if you are convinced that the dems (who agree with many of your core convictions) are going to win, perhaps you should put your money on the table.

I’m inviting you to join the CHALLENGE II!!!

I know, you’re yellow. …

JeffR[/quote]

That’s rich, coming from a guy that’s cheering on the war effort, from the sidelines.

Please Effr0, explain to us eurotrash again why you didn’t enlist.

Was it because you couldn’t find the cohones perhaps?

Plus there’s a couple of incoherent sentences in your post. Where you perhaps foaming at the mouth when you hacked away at that keyboard?

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[quote]JeffR wrote:
orion wrote:
If all of this goes on, Europeans will go on a shopping spree in the US, like the Japanese did in the 80`s.

Is that nationalism creeping into your writing?

On a serious note, I have no worry about the europeans becoming united. You guys have had a tribal mentality from the get go. I don’t have any fear that you’d be able to put aside your petty differences long enough or effectively enough to make a run at the dominant superpower on the planet.

I enjoy reading about your eu meetings.

I fully expect them to degenerate into, “nah nah na nah nah” at any momement.

JeffR

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You never put up a post that couldn’t be translated into “nah nah na nah nah”.

Oh wait, there’s also “la la la, I’m not listening”.

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The price of oil is largely based on speculation though. Its about 25-30 dollars of speculation about 50% of its current price.

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[quote]blck1jack wrote:
The price of oil is largely based on speculation though. Its about 25-30 dollars of speculation about 50% of its current price.[/quote]

I need more context. I don’t understand the point you are trying to make here.

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[quote]juninho wrote:
Uber gay. Gay as the hills. [/quote]

Did you really to share this about yourself with us? There must be other sites you can go for this sort of thing.

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[quote]Wreckless wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Most of the world feels towards us like Wreckless does — no matter what we do, we’re evil. The problem is that America is the first country created by reason and not by chance or a club.

We especially remind the rest of the world of what THEY COULD BE, if they had balls and brains. Sure, we’re not perfect, but who is? We are the most moral and most noble country on earth and this will forever be a reproach against the immoral, the slothful, and the just plain evil in the rest of the world.

God bless (and has blessed!) the United States of America, God’s strong right hand here on earth!!

HH, you’re an extremist right wing pig. You don’t have a clue and only half a brain cell.

I’m not anti-American. I’m anti-stupidity. You don’t see the difference, because in your case, there IS no difference.

That being said, let’s explore the original post.

I’m not saying the US had it coming, but that’s what people like you hear when someone explains to them why it happened. You want to live in this pretty little magic world, where you stupid actions don’t have any consequences. That’s your choice. But don’t call me anti-American for shoving the realitiy back in your face.

Is it anti-American to say 9/11 was nog big deal?
I dunno. Was it a big deal? That depends what you compare it to. Was it a big deal compared to the dent in my car. Yeah, it was a very big deal. 3000 people dead, compared to a dent in my car, there’s no comparison.

But was it a big deal compared to the holocaust? To WWI & WWII? 3000 people dead compared to millions dead. In that light, it’s not so big a deal.

Is it a big deal compared to the situation in Africa where thousands die every day. Can you imagine that? Thousands dying every day? A 9/11 every day? Of course you can’t. Nobody can.

So why are a cheering on from the sidelines when the shit hits the fan?
Why is that Headhunter.

Is it because you’re a stupid, stupid, stupid extremist right wing nutcase? A christian fascist?

You’re as dangerous as Osama. He also believes he’s on a mission from God, striking infidels left right and center.

And like Osama, you prefer to keep a safe distance from the actual danger.

And the same goes for your ugly cheargirl Lorisco.

I’m sure you’ll both rot in hell.[/quote]

Wreckless,

You do realize that you are a product of your circumstances? You live in a tiny country. Your only hope of survival is to beg the big boys to either protect you or leave you alone. This creates in you the mentality you have, that of a whining child. You are then unable to distinguish your protectors from your assasins. Furthermore, since your country is small and weak, this eventually makes you and your ilk fearful of ALL conflict, even IN SELF DEFENSE!

America will probably always protect you, save you from the big bad Nazis or those wicked Soviets. Consider it a gift from the most noble, moral, people on earth, to the whimpering little boy in a tiny country.

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[quote]orion wrote:
JeffR wrote:
orion wrote:
If all of this goes on, Europeans will go on a shopping spree in the US, like the Japanese did in the 80`s.

Is that nationalism creeping into your writing?

On a serious note, I have no worry about the europeans becoming united. You guys have had a tribal mentality from the get go. I don’t have any fear that you’d be able to put aside your petty differences long enough or effectively enough to make a run at the dominant superpower on the planet.

I enjoy reading about your eu meetings.

I fully expect them to degenerate into, “nah nah na nah nah” at any momement.

JeffR

That is not nationalism.

One of the reasons I can order a lot out of the US right now is that the dollar is so cheap.

The same is true for the big players who swallow whole companies.

The EU is an awesome project, comparable to the moon landing.

On a continent divided by tribal warfare since forever, we forge a global player out of dozens independent nations and they are flocking to us like there is no tomorrow.

That is a GRAND vision, that is thinking about the future, that, my friend is entrepreneurial spirit, it is the future.

Meanwhile, the US thinks everything is a nail just because it has a hammer.

Or to put it another way, just because you call it a war, soldiers are not the answer.

WE get things DONE…[/quote]

I have done some research into the EU and it does seem to show great potential as a world power.

When you compare statistics between the U.S. and the E.U. the idea that the E.U. has the potential to be a superpower that matches and even surpasses the U.S. in world influence is an undeniable fact. Of course the E.U. has to continue to grow in practical strength not just theoretical in order to realize this potential.

I recently read a great book, The European Dream(by Rifkin), from a U.S. writer and sociologist that was quite enlightening about the directions and potentials of the E.U…

I think citizens from both side of the pond should read comparitive studies about the two civilizations.

By using a lot of facts and statistics to quantify and qualify the many differences and similarities that the two civilizations have it is easier to understand each other.

One conclusion I found from it was that the E.U. potential to check U.S. world power in some areas is not something that Americans have to fear.

The potential for another arms race is far less likely than the potential of the two cultures different ideologies balancing and complimenting each other and relieveing some of the pressures of U.S. foreign policy. Not unlike the way a multi branch goverment uses seperate imperatives to balance each other for a common goal.

The E.U. has some theoretical foundations that are bold and ambitious and even reminiscent of the spirit of our own nations founding.

Whether or not the Euros can make good on their plans remains to be seen but I for one support the effort raher than fell threatened by it.

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[quote]orion wrote:
Headhunter wrote:

If we don’t act in our self-interest, then in whose interest should we act? Should we then wait around for others to act in OUR interest?
LOL! Enjoy the wait…

No, it is just that you did not fight WWII because you are the champion of all that is innocent, pure and fluffy, but because rational self interest forced you to do it.

If that insight helps to tone down the rhetoric concerning WWII, that would be a lot.[/quote]

You are contrasting innocence with rational self-interest. I, and most Americans, don’t accept that contrast. To act in your rational self-interest is a highly moral action.

Ever read Ayn Rand? She is the quintessential American philosopher.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
orion wrote:
Headhunter wrote:

If we don’t act in our self-interest, then in whose interest should we act? Should we then wait around for others to act in OUR interest?
LOL! Enjoy the wait…

No, it is just that you did not fight WWII because you are the champion of all that is innocent, pure and fluffy, but because rational self interest forced you to do it.

If that insight helps to tone down the rhetoric concerning WWII, that would be a lot.

You are contrasting innocence with rational self-interest. I, and most Americans, don’t accept that contrast. To act in your rational self-interest is a highly moral action.

Ever read Ayn Rand? She is the quintessential American philosopher.

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To act in your rational self-interest is a highly moral action.

Beautiful phrase. Benefiting from acting in way that also benefits others seems perfectly logical to me and a damn good piece of advice.

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[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:

You pay lip service to “capitalism” and Ayn Rand but you’re a statist, through-and-through. I’ve commented on this before. You’ve never provided an adequate explanation for why you oppose intervention at home but champion it abroad. [/quote]

If you’re willing to pretend that I never answered this stupidity before, what makes you think I’d be willing to pretend that you’re a serious poster?