Perceptions of Size, Career Advancement

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
If I had a cubicle job, I’d probably be the most gregarious person on the floor and piss everyone off with my constant, “…hey guys…” interruptions.

lol[/quote]

I doubt it, more like the person who provides the social glue that keeps things tolerable.

I would also presume you have passion for what you do, and would also spread your knowledge and passion.

[quote]Silo101 wrote:

[quote]twiceborn wrote:

[quote]tmay11 wrote:
I think the real root of most discrimination would be rooted in feelings of intellectual/social inferiority. NOT actually PHYSICAL fear. We don’t live in caves… I see the thought process more like this ( even if its unconscious) - this guy is huge therefore he must be compensating for something else therefore he is not a suitable candidate for position xyz. I don’t think people are thinking " omg , this guy is sooo big, hes going to beat me up!!!
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Actually, I’d disagree with that. Maybe it’s the fact that I’m a mean, ugly biker lookin’ mother on top of things, but people do seem to have an actual fear response to the size. It was more prominent when I was larger, but there nonetheless. (I’m 6’1" and have been up to and over 300lbs, though recently dropped to 235.)

I’ve seen it quite a few times, a normal looking guy raises his voice and people will shrug it off. When I raise my voice people cower. People really do lock up like deer in headlights when they’re terrified. It’s an unmistakable thing when you see it. If they don’t know you, they’re also more apt to think that something will “set you off”. Where normally someone would just walk up and talk to you, people will use the buddy system or position themselves behind objects before doing so. Cops and security also get very nervous when they approach you for whatever reason, which is pretty funny to me.

I think people in the business world realize that their bullshit is just that, and are constantly on edge just waiting to be “found out”. Suits, ties, and corner offices are really just ways of hiding behind a status symbol. If you’re a large guy, a TRULY large guy, they realize that you are the most likely person to see through their shit and call them on it. Nature is always there, even in the cubicle.

The cop out that you must be “compensating for XYZ” is really just a way to save face and keep from admitting to themselves that you make them feel uncomfortable. You’ve given them no reason to feel that way, but it’s there. Call it whatever you want, THAT is fear.

Professor X hit the nail on the head - there’s a big difference between most people on this board and someone who is really physically imposing. Hell, I’ve seen some guys that scare the shit out of me, and I dwarf most of you. I can only imagine what “Timmy Middlemanager” feels in the same situation. The stigma IS there, guys.

Yeah, for all intents and purposes we DO still live in caves…

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I wanna scare cops :([/quote]

NO, NO YOU DON’T.
Their job is hard, dangerous and they see the worst of people they’re whole career.

I’ve had 1 pull on me, a seemingly HUGE revolver leveled. No way he would have missed.
2 more pulled but not aimed (traffic stops).

They DON’T react well to their own fear. They’ll over react way before they’ll back off. They have guns, sticks, backup and most important an inventory of cover stories.

You want to be polite, quiet, un-assuming… Minimize your “presence”. Reduce they’re perception of threat.

You want to make their job as easy as possible.

[quote]Null wrote:

[quote]Silo101 wrote:

[quote]twiceborn wrote:

[quote]tmay11 wrote:
I think the real root of most discrimination would be rooted in feelings of intellectual/social inferiority. NOT actually PHYSICAL fear. We don’t live in caves… I see the thought process more like this ( even if its unconscious) - this guy is huge therefore he must be compensating for something else therefore he is not a suitable candidate for position xyz. I don’t think people are thinking " omg , this guy is sooo big, hes going to beat me up!!!
[/quote]

Actually, I’d disagree with that. Maybe it’s the fact that I’m a mean, ugly biker lookin’ mother on top of things, but people do seem to have an actual fear response to the size. It was more prominent when I was larger, but there nonetheless. (I’m 6’1" and have been up to and over 300lbs, though recently dropped to 235.)

I’ve seen it quite a few times, a normal looking guy raises his voice and people will shrug it off. When I raise my voice people cower. People really do lock up like deer in headlights when they’re terrified. It’s an unmistakable thing when you see it. If they don’t know you, they’re also more apt to think that something will “set you off”. Where normally someone would just walk up and talk to you, people will use the buddy system or position themselves behind objects before doing so. Cops and security also get very nervous when they approach you for whatever reason, which is pretty funny to me.

I think people in the business world realize that their bullshit is just that, and are constantly on edge just waiting to be “found out”. Suits, ties, and corner offices are really just ways of hiding behind a status symbol. If you’re a large guy, a TRULY large guy, they realize that you are the most likely person to see through their shit and call them on it. Nature is always there, even in the cubicle.

The cop out that you must be “compensating for XYZ” is really just a way to save face and keep from admitting to themselves that you make them feel uncomfortable. You’ve given them no reason to feel that way, but it’s there. Call it whatever you want, THAT is fear.

Professor X hit the nail on the head - there’s a big difference between most people on this board and someone who is really physically imposing. Hell, I’ve seen some guys that scare the shit out of me, and I dwarf most of you. I can only imagine what “Timmy Middlemanager” feels in the same situation. The stigma IS there, guys.

Yeah, for all intents and purposes we DO still live in caves…

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I wanna scare cops :([/quote]

NO, NO YOU DON’T.
Their job is hard, dangerous and they see the worst of people they’re whole career.

I’ve had 1 pull on me, a seemingly HUGE revolver leveled. No way he would have missed.
2 more pulled but not aimed (traffic stops).

They DON’T react well to their own fear. They’ll over react way before they’ll back off. They have guns, sticks, backup and most important an inventory of cover stories.

You want to be polite, quiet, un-assuming… Minimize your “presence”. Reduce they’re perception of threat.

You want to make their job as easy as possible. [/quote]

It was intended as a joke :slight_smile: I agree that aggravating armed cops is not the brightest thing to do. Having said that, where I live police are very likely to abuse their power or display corruption.

Ive personally seen cops bribed countless times (mostly for DUI). Ive had cops illegally search us and our car. Been openly threatened by police, that I would be arrested, beaten etc. I have close friends who were arrested for basically nothing, one of which was beaten by the cops in the police van because he had white friends (he is black). There were even a few cases of police arresting and raping women (even for stuff like outstanding traffic fines). I am more nervous and even worried when I see a police car on the road rather than being reassured. Plus they can pretty much say whatever they want and are likely to be believed.

After getting caught drinking on a beach (I think its called public consumption in the US?),I was taken into a bathroom where there were no cameras, the cop then took out his gun (no homo jokes please haha) and asked me to give him all the money in my wallet and he would let me off.

Maybe thats a bit off the topic but in my personal experience the bigger rougher guys don’t get picked on by cops as much, the cops are more likely to go by the book and/or calm down the situation, even if its clear they are alert and nervous. Im not saying you should scare a cop into shooting you or anything but looking able and unafraid might make them think twice about doing something that might be too much trouble for what its worth.

PS. what did you do that made 3 cops draw guns on you? haha

[quote]OmegaOne wrote:

Do you have a site?? I have been drawing for years and would love to have a job like yours.[/quote]

Keep drawing!

As a kid, while my friends were out partying, I was home almost every night obsessively drawing and painting.

Some of my work can be seen here:
https://altpick.com/killustr8r

You can also see it every month in MuscleMag International.

[quote]Null wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
If I had a cubicle job, I’d probably be the most gregarious person on the floor and piss everyone off with my constant, “…hey guys…” interruptions.

lol[/quote]

I doubt it, more like the person who provides the social glue that keeps things tolerable.

I would also presume you have passion for what you do, and would also spread your knowledge and passion.[/quote]

Thanks Null. You’re very perceptive.

I love your style ID.

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]OmegaOne wrote:

Do you have a site?? I have been drawing for years and would love to have a job like yours.[/quote]

Keep drawing!

As a kid, while my friends were out partying, I was home almost every night obsessively drawing and painting.

Some of my work can be seen here:
https://altpick.com/killustr8r

You can also see it every month in MuscleMag International.

[quote]Null wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
If I had a cubicle job, I’d probably be the most gregarious person on the floor and piss everyone off with my constant, “…hey guys…” interruptions.

lol[/quote]

I doubt it, more like the person who provides the social glue that keeps things tolerable.

I would also presume you have passion for what you do, and would also spread your knowledge and passion.[/quote]

Thanks Null. You’re very perceptive.
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Dude, for some reason I really like the Will Smith cartoon the most.

I have always hated Illustrator and was never really any good at it (the two go hand in hand I guess!) so I respect anyone else who has taken the time to master it.

Your skill level is high ID…much respect.

I was looking through your great work and found my girlfriend!

IS there something I should know ID?!?!?

[quote]Silo101 wrote:

It was intended as a joke :slight_smile: I agree that aggravating armed cops is not the brightest thing to do. Having said that, where I live police are very likely to abuse their power or display corruption.

PS. what did you do that made 3 cops draw guns on you? haha[/quote]

My experience is that a lot, most even, cops are just good guys who want to make the world a better place. But some are bullies who’ve found a way to get away with things. Either way they see the worst of humanity on a day to day basis, with massive stress, horrible hours and it gets to them.

First and Worst:
I was blowing off firecrackers at the boat launch in the middle of nowhere (Home: born and raised in frozen swamps of NY). I was about 12-14 at the time.

Trooper rolled up, we ran… I dropped my pocket knife (closed, no way he saw it before it hit the pavement), turned to see him leveled right at me… Thing looked as big as a sewer pipe from like 10 feet. Never ran so fast before or since. I swear I could see him thinking if it was worth the paper work. There’s no way a NYS Trooper would miss at twice the distance…

The other 2 times were for traffic stops. Think long haired leather clad biker type. Both times free of the holster but not clear.

I always got frisked at traffic stops. You know how they ask you if you have anything on you. I would answer (hands up palm facing them) yes, I got a knife in x pocket, not moving a muscle… Gotta appreciate their reaction times and discretion.

love the illustrations, drawing is one of life's mysteries to me...