Ronnie Coleman for CEO of Chrisler!
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Hip Scar wrote:
If you intimidate a female you suck as a man.[/quote]
Well shit, a lot of people must suck then because I am pretty sure just about any guy walking anywhere near a woman who is walking home late by herself can and often will “intimidate” her.[/quote]
Not if they’re white.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Hip Scar wrote:
If you intimidate a female you suck as a man.[/quote]
Well shit, a lot of people must suck then because I am pretty sure just about any guy walking anywhere near a woman who is walking home late by herself can and often will “intimidate” her.[/quote]
…you know what I mean.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Hip Scar wrote:
If you intimidate a female you suck as a man.[/quote]
Well shit, a lot of people must suck then because I am pretty sure just about any guy walking anywhere near a woman who is walking home late by herself can and often will “intimidate” her.[/quote]
…you know what I mean.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]optheta wrote:
Reading this thread is depressing :/[/quote]
It shouldn’t.
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lol at you telling someone what he should find depressing. It seems like the underlying goal for all of your posts is making yourself feel adequate and others inadequate. Deep down you must be a pretty insecure guy.
But whatever carry on.
[quote]tmay11 wrote:
I wanted to get peoples thoughts on what you believe to be public perception(or maybe perception in your particular field) and what your own personal experience has been.
I have thought about this a lot lately. Basically it comes down to this for me - My career is more important to me than getting big. If there is any reason to believe that I’m at a point where being bigger would be in detriment to succeeding in other areas of life than I would be perfectly willing to stay put where I am.
I’m going to guess a standard response from many on this site and give a response - "don’t sacrifice your goals to appease other peoples expectations " -Ok, It is not a “sacrifice” if I value the benefit I feel I’m getting from not being so large more so than the benefit from being big. If possible would I choose to have both ? - most definitely.
But I’m being pragmatic. In the real world people make judgements based on appearance, most especially first impressions, and these judgements, in my opinion, exert a strong influence on your success. Another common thing I hear is " You can still get where you want even being big, you can overcome!!" . To this I say yes, of course you still can get where you want, I’m not saying it’s IMPOSSIBLE, simply more difficult. For me my career is more important than bodybuilding so it’s only logical to sacrifice the latter for the former.
Now I want to get into specifics. At what point do you feel, if you do agree, that being large (muscularly obviously - I actually think big muscular people are discriminated against more than fat people to an extent) interferes with, lets say, climbing the typically corporate ladder? Or even in a situation where you are self employed but have to deal with people a lot- network, put together deals, gain trust, etc.
My personal opinion, for a man of lets say 6’ is at around 200 lbs (lean). At this point in a shirt and pants things are still pretty hidden, you are wide and quite obviously built but its not so overwhelming as say at 220lbs and up.
Basically I want to know this - at what point can you meet someone, for the first time, and have them concentrate on YOU and not your body. That is, listening to what you are saying and not having the constant thought of “this guy is built” .
For the record I’m a business student looking to get into accounting/finance. I use to be 210 @ 5’11 ( about 2 years ago ) but have since come down to 185. I have found that in general peoples reaction to me is better at this size.
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I haven’t read the thread. I was 240-275 through the last 16 years of working for someone else (a company(s) and I will tell you unequivocally that in a professional setting you WILL be judged by your appearance. We can debate all day until we’re blue, but that’s reality. Some here will provide anecdotal exceptions, and they are nothing more than exceptions or they just don’t realize it’s happened to them or, they just aren’t as big and muscular as they think.
Is it fair? No. But life aint fair.
Does it have merit? None whatsoever, but in the corporate world, “merit” only goes so far.
Will it hold you back professionally? Maybe.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Dude…I’m a dentist.
'Nuff said. Been at it for damn near a decade. I would think if anyone on the planet had an issue with “career vs size” it would be me…and I do just fine. You always have idiots but if you are good, then you’re good.[/quote]
I remember many moons ago you made posts about patients being intimidated by your size or some sort of issue. Whether you do “fine” or not, is not really responsive to the question. The question is, “is it an issue”. To say it’s not an issue, is to put blinders on.
A dentist is not a suit and tie corporate guy. I don’t think the OP said he’s a dentist. I did the corporate thing a looong time…and everyone - coworkers, lawyers, judges, everyone commented upon it at one time or another. I know the perception was not always flattering either. I did move up the ladder, made good money, but if you’re being “discriminated” against, you do not always know it.
First impressions are hard to shake. Say I go to interview in another division and the hiring manager there “works out” - like machines and on the treadmill. Sees me, and thinks “meathead” and never changes his opinion (it’s his right, he’s the manager, he can do what the fuck he wants - that’s how things work). Worse yet, what if the hiring manager is a woman?
My point is, that is matters. How much it matters will depend on your occupation, and how talented you are, but to imply it just doesn’t matter is to put blinders on. Heck, it matters socially. I’m always astounded at the judgments that are made of me by my appearance alone.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
I’ve had nothing but positive reactions to my size. Your attitude and charisma are much more important than the size of your biceps, or even your ability as a professional. If people generally react positively to you, then you will not have any issues.[/quote]
This is how I see it as well. I’d be thrilled if every contractor, service personal, and hired help of all sorts was big and muscular. That shows me that he’s not afraid of hard work and doing a good job.
Anyone who sees this as a negative has some internal insecurity issues.
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hahahahahahahaha
maybe this is why you are an illustrator and not scaling the corporate ladder?
ss
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I remember many moons ago you made posts about patients being intimidated by your size or some sort of issue.[/quote]
? Over several years I have written of three instances over 8 full years of practice where only one actually involved someone acting like they were afraid of me because of my size directly…and that was one guy who weighed 250lbs himself in the military.
[quote]
Whether you do “fine” or not, is not really responsive to the question. The question is, “is it an issue”. To say it’s not an issue, is to put blinders on. [/quote]
Hmmm, I am pretty sure I did NOT write anywhere that it is not an issue at all.
In fact, I am pretty sure I went into great detail in this thread to describe what issues are actually there.
What thread are you reading?
[quote]
A dentist is not a suit and tie corporate guy.[/quote]
? No, it is usually either a dress shirt and tie, lab coat or scrubs thing and your image is a huge factor when most don’t expect a dentist to look like a bodybuilder or powerlifter. The OP seemed to understand my posts just fine but thank you for jumping in.
[quote]jasmincar wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]optheta wrote:
Reading this thread is depressing :/[/quote]
It shouldn’t.
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lol at you telling someone what he should find depressing. It seems like the underlying goal for all of your posts is making yourself feel adequate and others inadequate. Deep down you must be a pretty insecure guy.
But whatever carry on.
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? Whatever dude. ALL of your posts seem to do exactly what you just accused me of.
DISCLAIMER:
I havent read through this whole thread, just the OP.
I dont think it really should matter all that much. If you arent Jay Cutler/Ronnie Coleman big it really shouldnt be that ‘distracting’ if you’re dressed professionally and your clothes are well fitting.
I think a lot of the negative stereotypes are propagated by ATTITUDE more than appearance. If you can conduct yourself like a well spoken normal human being then being built shouldnt prevent you from being advanced in your job.
Who would be intimidated by a face like that??
^^ LOL
he coulda tapered the sleeves and pant legs a bit.
Jay Cutler always hands in his TPS reports on time.
[quote]gavinhenson wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
I’ve had nothing but positive reactions to my size. Your attitude and charisma are much more important than the size of your biceps, or even your ability as a professional. If people generally react positively to you, then you will not have any issues.[/quote]
This is how I see it as well. I’d be thrilled if every contractor, service personal, and hired help of all sorts was big and muscular. That shows me that he’s not afraid of hard work and doing a good job.
Anyone who sees this as a negative has some internal insecurity issues.
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hahahahahahahaha
maybe this is why you are an illustrator and not scaling the corporate ladder?
ss[/quote]
Is this meant to be an insult???
If so, you’re even more retarded than I thought… which I thought you were pretty far below the line…
Apparently, you’re an overachieving retard. Good job.
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]gavinhenson wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
I’ve had nothing but positive reactions to my size. Your attitude and charisma are much more important than the size of your biceps, or even your ability as a professional. If people generally react positively to you, then you will not have any issues.[/quote]
This is how I see it as well. I’d be thrilled if every contractor, service personal, and hired help of all sorts was big and muscular. That shows me that he’s not afraid of hard work and doing a good job.
Anyone who sees this as a negative has some internal insecurity issues.
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hahahahahahahaha
maybe this is why you are an illustrator and not scaling the corporate ladder?
ss[/quote]
Is this meant to be an insult???
If so, you’re even more retarded than I thought… which I thought you were pretty far below the line…
Apparently, you’re an overachieving retard. Good job.[/quote]
I cannot possibly express how much I would rather be an illustrator than scaling the corporate ladder!
Dream job.
Corporate ladder sorta sucks.
[quote]Hallowed wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]gavinhenson wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
I’ve had nothing but positive reactions to my size. Your attitude and charisma are much more important than the size of your biceps, or even your ability as a professional. If people generally react positively to you, then you will not have any issues.[/quote]
This is how I see it as well. I’d be thrilled if every contractor, service personal, and hired help of all sorts was big and muscular. That shows me that he’s not afraid of hard work and doing a good job.
Anyone who sees this as a negative has some internal insecurity issues.
[/quote]
hahahahahahahaha
maybe this is why you are an illustrator and not scaling the corporate ladder?
ss[/quote]
Is this meant to be an insult???
If so, you’re even more retarded than I thought… which I thought you were pretty far below the line…
Apparently, you’re an overachieving retard. Good job.[/quote]
I cannot possibly express how much I would rather be an illustrator than scaling the corporate ladder!
Dream job.
Corporate ladder sorta sucks.[/quote]
You and I, both, Hal.
Having both talent and the work ethic to make it work, must be a living hell.
Poor ID.
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]Hallowed wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]gavinhenson wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
I’ve had nothing but positive reactions to my size. Your attitude and charisma are much more important than the size of your biceps, or even your ability as a professional. If people generally react positively to you, then you will not have any issues.[/quote]
This is how I see it as well. I’d be thrilled if every contractor, service personal, and hired help of all sorts was big and muscular. That shows me that he’s not afraid of hard work and doing a good job.
Anyone who sees this as a negative has some internal insecurity issues.
[/quote]
hahahahahahahaha
maybe this is why you are an illustrator and not scaling the corporate ladder?
ss[/quote]
Is this meant to be an insult???
If so, you’re even more retarded than I thought… which I thought you were pretty far below the line…
Apparently, you’re an overachieving retard. Good job.[/quote]
I cannot possibly express how much I would rather be an illustrator than scaling the corporate ladder!
Dream job.
Corporate ladder sorta sucks.[/quote]
You and I, both, Hal.
Having both talent and the work ethic to make it work, must be a living hell.
Poor ID.
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AND saddled with that wife of his… truly tragic.
The Hallowed sheds a tear…
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I remember many moons ago you made posts about patients being intimidated by your size or some sort of issue.[/quote]
? Over several years I have written of three instances over 8 full years of practice where only one actually involved someone acting like they were afraid of me because of my size directly…and that was one guy who weighed 250lbs himself in the military.
[quote]
Whether you do “fine” or not, is not really responsive to the question. The question is, “is it an issue”. To say it’s not an issue, is to put blinders on. [/quote]
Hmmm, I am pretty sure I did NOT write anywhere that it is not an issue at all.
In fact, I am pretty sure I went into great detail in this thread to describe what issues are actually there.
What thread are you reading?
Get out to read much?
I said in my first response I didn’t read the entire thread thru. Then I responded to your first post and if you clarified, I didn’t read it yet. If that’s “jumping in”, then you are merely defining participation in a forum thread. We all “jump in”.