Perceptions of Size, Career Advancement

[quote]byukid wrote:
I got hired for an internship in spite of my bigness. Hoorah for phone interviews. I will bring a can of crisco though- not just for snacking, but to grease up any doors I need to get through.[/quote]

LOL

You say a lot of funny things around here that seem to go unnoticed, Kid.

[quote]Stern wrote:

[quote]Nards wrote:

[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
I’ve had nothing but positive reactions to my size. Your attitude and charisma are much more important than the size of your biceps, or even your ability as a professional. If people generally react positively to you, then you will not have any issues.[/quote]

This is true.
I’m not kidding. I may be 245 to 250lbs at 6 feet but because of my winning smile I seem to be seen as a loveable oaf. Really. Check my profile for pics.[/quote]

Pretty sure we don’t need to check your profile to know that you are a lovable oaf. =)

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X2. Nards is like the forum’s teddy bear mascot.

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]byukid wrote:
I got hired for an internship in spite of my bigness. Hoorah for phone interviews. I will bring a can of crisco though- not just for snacking, but to grease up any doors I need to get through.[/quote]

LOL

You say a lot of funny things around here that seem to go unnoticed, Kid. [/quote]

That’s why they call me the gentle giant. That, and the fact that my signature is using lots of lube before rape.

That’s really sweet. I mean that.

Hey…what’s this I hear about Scotland seceding from the UK? I’m going to call my mom!

Just to throw this out there…but there us a rather huge difference in how you are treated at “250lbs and just bigger than average” and "250lbs with arms bigger than most people’s legs.

Yeah, I am sure some are offended by that, but I see people posting who don’t seem to recognize the difference.

There are tons of “big” people around in jobs. There are NOT tons of big people who look like they are seriously training for a contest in bodybuilding and powerlifting.

That difference DOES affect how you are treated on the job.

Whether you allow it to affect you comes from how good you are and your own character.

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]Stern wrote:

[quote]Nards wrote:

[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
I’ve had nothing but positive reactions to my size. Your attitude and charisma are much more important than the size of your biceps, or even your ability as a professional. If people generally react positively to you, then you will not have any issues.[/quote]

This is true.
I’m not kidding. I may be 245 to 250lbs at 6 feet but because of my winning smile I seem to be seen as a loveable oaf. Really. Check my profile for pics.[/quote]

Pretty sure we don’t need to check your profile to know that you are a lovable oaf. =)

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X2. Nards is like the forum’s teddy bear mascot. [/quote]

Thank you!

[quote]Stern wrote:

[quote]Nards wrote:

[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
I’ve had nothing but positive reactions to my size. Your attitude and charisma are much more important than the size of your biceps, or even your ability as a professional. If people generally react positively to you, then you will not have any issues.[/quote]

This is true.
I’m not kidding. I may be 245 to 250lbs at 6 feet but because of my winning smile I seem to be seen as a loveable oaf. Really. Check my profile for pics.[/quote]

Pretty sure we don’t need to check your profile to know that you are a lovable oaf. =)

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He doesn’t look intimidating. I think that is what the thread is about.

think about this…even built short guys ahve an advantage over built taller guys simply because of the intimidation factor.

I would venture that someone would see Iron Dwarf’s development within the context of weight lifting…while they might see someone six feet tall with even similar proportions as fucking scary.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Just to throw this out there…but there us a rather huge difference in how you are treated at “250lbs and just bigger than average” and "250lbs with arms bigger than most people’s legs.

Yeah, I am sure some are offended by that, but I see people posting who don’t seem to recognize the difference.

There are tons of “big” people around in jobs. There are NOT tons of big people who look like they are seriously training for a contest in bodybuilding and powerlifting.

That difference DOES affect how you are treated on the job.

Whether you allow it to affect you comes from how good you are and your own character.[/quote]

Did I just get called out by Prof X?

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Just to throw this out there…but there us a rather huge difference in how you are treated at “250lbs and just bigger than average” and "250lbs with arms bigger than most people’s legs.

Yeah, I am sure some are offended by that, but I see people posting who don’t seem to recognize the difference.

There are tons of “big” people around in jobs. There are NOT tons of big people who look like they are seriously training for a contest in bodybuilding and powerlifting.

That difference DOES affect how you are treated on the job.

Whether you allow it to affect you comes from how good you are and your own character.[/quote]

your last sentence can also be applied to your employer, coworkers, and the public you deal with daily.

[quote]byukid wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Just to throw this out there…but there us a rather huge difference in how you are treated at “250lbs and just bigger than average” and "250lbs with arms bigger than most people’s legs.

Yeah, I am sure some are offended by that, but I see people posting who don’t seem to recognize the difference.

There are tons of “big” people around in jobs. There are NOT tons of big people who look like they are seriously training for a contest in bodybuilding and powerlifting.

That difference DOES affect how you are treated on the job.

Whether you allow it to affect you comes from how good you are and your own character.[/quote]

Did I just get called out by Prof X?[/quote]

Nope. Wasn’t even referring to you.

I don’t beat around the bush so you would know by now if I was.

Further, that statement wasn’t a call out at all. It is fact.

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Just to throw this out there…but there us a rather huge difference in how you are treated at “250lbs and just bigger than average” and "250lbs with arms bigger than most people’s legs.

Yeah, I am sure some are offended by that, but I see people posting who don’t seem to recognize the difference.

There are tons of “big” people around in jobs. There are NOT tons of big people who look like they are seriously training for a contest in bodybuilding and powerlifting.

That difference DOES affect how you are treated on the job.

Whether you allow it to affect you comes from how good you are and your own character.[/quote]

your last sentence can also be applied to your employer, coworkers, and the public you deal with daily.
[/quote]

True…and in the end, it is your character that will shine through…but when it comes to how people perceive you at a glance, your physical presence rules all.

Me at my fattest weight is less intimidating than me leaner in my opinion…and judging by the responses I get.

It is about the overall look…and the more “extreme” you are, the more people focus on it.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Stern wrote:

[quote]Nards wrote:

[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
I’ve had nothing but positive reactions to my size. Your attitude and charisma are much more important than the size of your biceps, or even your ability as a professional. If people generally react positively to you, then you will not have any issues.[/quote]

This is true.
I’m not kidding. I may be 245 to 250lbs at 6 feet but because of my winning smile I seem to be seen as a loveable oaf. Really. Check my profile for pics.[/quote]

Pretty sure we don’t need to check your profile to know that you are a lovable oaf. =)

[/quote]

He doesn’t look intimidating. I think that is what the thread is about.

think about this…even built short guys ahve an advantage over built taller guys simply because of the intimidation factor.

I would venture that someone would see Iron Dwarf’s development within the context of weight lifting…while they might see someone six feet tall with even similar proportions as fucking scary.[/quote]

Since when are loveable oafs supposed to be intimidating?

Doesn’t mean I can’t kick your ass up to your ears and you shit out the back of your head though. That’d be a mistake.

[quote]Nards wrote:

Since when are loveable oafs supposed to be intimidating?

Doesn’t mean I can’t kick your ass up to your ears and you shit out the back of your head though. That’d be a mistake.
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Not the point. I also didn’t insult you…even though you seem to take absolutely any statement about your development as such.

[quote]Nards wrote:
That’s really sweet. I mean that.

Hey…what’s this I hear about Scotland seceding from the UK? I’m going to call my mom![/quote]

LOL! Yea, well, what that actually means…we’ll have to wait and see =P

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Nards wrote:

Since when are loveable oafs supposed to be intimidating?

Doesn’t mean I can’t kick your ass up to your ears and you shit out the back of your head though. That’d be a mistake.
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Not the point. I also didn’t insult you…even though you seem to take absolutely any statement about your development as such.[/quote]

Oh dear Professor…I was kind of going on the “not looking intimidating” thing as a bit of a little joke…but also didn’t take it seriously.
I swear to God almighty that I don’t get hurt about comments about my physique really…I must say again that I don’t…really. For God’s sake nobody called me fat here on T-Nation even once! Unbelievable!

C’mon man, you’re in your 30s or so too…I know you are…don’t treat everything here like some high school stuff!

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Just to throw this out there…but there us a rather huge difference in how you are treated at “250lbs and just bigger than average” and "250lbs with arms bigger than most people’s legs.

Yeah, I am sure some are offended by that, but I see people posting who don’t seem to recognize the difference.

There are tons of “big” people around in jobs. There are NOT tons of big people who look like they are seriously training for a contest in bodybuilding and powerlifting.

That difference DOES affect how you are treated on the job.

Whether you allow it to affect you comes from how good you are and your own character.[/quote]

your last sentence can also be applied to your employer, coworkers, and the public you deal with daily.
[/quote]

True…and in the end, it is your character that will shine through…but when it comes to how people perceive you at a glance, your physical presence rules all.

Me at my fattest weight is less intimidating than me leaner in my opinion…and judging by the responses I get.

It is about the overall look…and the more “extreme” you are, the more people focus on it.[/quote]

What I meant, Doc, was that your last sentence could be SAID to the aforementioned people. THEIR character comes into question if they see you in a negative light. I just don’t understand this. It’s almost as if your presence becomes a personal affront.

As a bystander, I once witness abhorrent aggression (by a nerdy shop clerk) toward a contest ready BBer who had just walked in and politely addressed the nerd. The other customers in the store all witnessed it as well (though I wonder which side they took). I felt offended for the BBer, but as in that German video where Rockell was the target, he took it completely in stride.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Me at my fattest weight is less intimidating than me leaner in my opinion…and judging by the responses I get.
[/quote]

I agree, well not about you in particular but lean folk, regardless of actual size, tend to look more aggresive in an instinctual way. Folk with more bodyfat tend to pack it on the face a bit and therefore look softer, more approachable.

edit - can be very misleading.

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Just to throw this out there…but there us a rather huge difference in how you are treated at “250lbs and just bigger than average” and "250lbs with arms bigger than most people’s legs.

Yeah, I am sure some are offended by that, but I see people posting who don’t seem to recognize the difference.

There are tons of “big” people around in jobs. There are NOT tons of big people who look like they are seriously training for a contest in bodybuilding and powerlifting.

That difference DOES affect how you are treated on the job.

Whether you allow it to affect you comes from how good you are and your own character.[/quote]

your last sentence can also be applied to your employer, coworkers, and the public you deal with daily.
[/quote]

True…and in the end, it is your character that will shine through…but when it comes to how people perceive you at a glance, your physical presence rules all.

Me at my fattest weight is less intimidating than me leaner in my opinion…and judging by the responses I get.

It is about the overall look…and the more “extreme” you are, the more people focus on it.[/quote]

What I meant, Doc, was that your last sentence could be SAID to the aforementioned people. THEIR character comes into question if they see you in a negative light. I just don’t understand this. It’s almost as if your presence becomes a personal affront.

As a bystander, I once witness abhorrent aggression (by a nerdy shop clerk) toward a contest ready BBer who had just walked in and politely addressed the nerd. The other customers in the store all witnessed it as well (though I wonder which side they took). I felt offended for the BBer, but as in that German video where Rockell was the target, he took it completely in stride.[/quote]

In general, I get the opposite. I get free food in my bag at fast food places or people make it the topic of conversation between the workers at the front counter and shit like that. Maybe I’m not lean enough to get the real shit yet. People act like they think I play football for the Texans outside of work. They just whisper and stare…and I’m not as big as some of the guys I hang with.

[quote]Stern wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Me at my fattest weight is less intimidating than me leaner in my opinion…and judging by the responses I get.
[/quote]

I agree, well not about you in particular but lean folk, regardless of actual size, tend to look more aggresive in an instinctual way. Folk with more bodyfat tend to pack it on the face a bit and therefore look softer, more approachable.

edit - can be very misleading.
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Agreed. The difference is pretty big. It is one reason I chose to stay a little softer in the military. They left me alone.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Just to throw this out there…but there us a rather huge difference in how you are treated at “250lbs and just bigger than average” and "250lbs with arms bigger than most people’s legs.

Yeah, I am sure some are offended by that, but I see people posting who don’t seem to recognize the difference.

There are tons of “big” people around in jobs. There are NOT tons of big people who look like they are seriously training for a contest in bodybuilding and powerlifting.

That difference DOES affect how you are treated on the job.

Whether you allow it to affect you comes from how good you are and your own character.[/quote]

your last sentence can also be applied to your employer, coworkers, and the public you deal with daily.
[/quote]

True…and in the end, it is your character that will shine through…but when it comes to how people perceive you at a glance, your physical presence rules all.

Me at my fattest weight is less intimidating than me leaner in my opinion…and judging by the responses I get.

It is about the overall look…and the more “extreme” you are, the more people focus on it.[/quote]

What I meant, Doc, was that your last sentence could be SAID to the aforementioned people. THEIR character comes into question if they see you in a negative light. I just don’t understand this. It’s almost as if your presence becomes a personal affront.

As a bystander, I once witness abhorrent aggression (by a nerdy shop clerk) toward a contest ready BBer who had just walked in and politely addressed the nerd. The other customers in the store all witnessed it as well (though I wonder which side they took). I felt offended for the BBer, but as in that German video where Rockell was the target, he took it completely in stride.[/quote]

In general, I get the opposite. I get free food in my bag at fast food places or people make it the topic of conversation between the workers at the front counter and shit like that. Maybe I’m not lean enough to get the real shit yet. People act like they think I play football for the Texans outside of work. They just whisper and stare…and I’m not as big as some of the guys I hang with.[/quote]

You may be right about the leanness. Mighty Stu, in his own experience mentioned it as well in another thread, and Dr Clay mentioned the same in a recent article. It’s true… I noticed your arms and delts look bigger when you are leaner as well.