Retirement fund? Zepstoli?
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He was also into butt stuff.
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We are in the US, who gives a shit about the UK? We had a war with them for a reason.
Letās argue about the EPL vs MLS while weāre at it. Or snooker vs pool. Or the proper pronunciation of aluminum. Is it colour or color?
He wrote a song for Procul Harum too. He was also known for his farts.
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The UK has a very different macroeconomic climate and you canāt make a valid comparison. Essentially everything in the UK is stagnant/failing right now in both the public and private sectors.
GDP has effectively been stagnant since 2007. Since 2000 electricity generation has fallen 30%. All this while population has increased 15% over that time period.
It is wrong to draw lessons from how things operate in the UK without examining the context.
And before you say it, no, the UK isnāt in that position because the NHS is expensive, itās in that position because of ugly policy decisions that limited industrial and commercial development at a time when the UK was more of a financial hub. The UK also has issues with massive pension funds owning large chunks of publicly traded businesses and using that control to force businesses to take very risk averse positions that limit growth.
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Of course you can make a valid comparison.
I live in Maine, which has MaineCare, and while not as comprehensive as the NHS it is a similar concept. We face a similar level of healthcare worker shortage, with 110 openings for nurses in my town. One of our two hospitals closed its ICU last week. I know a few nurses who could be working in nursing, but arenāt. The doctors that do come here tend to stay as short of a time as possible, then move on to something else. I think Iāve had 8 different PCPās in the last 8 years, and the last 6 have all been nurse practicioners.
Thereās no great mystery to solve here. The same folks who insist healthcare is a right also insist housing is a right and tend to believe that places like the UK and Maine are experiencing a shortage of people from distant lands. These people are enticed with generous public benefits but donāt tend to begin practicing healthcare anytime soon.
Lo and behold, when you put all of that together you end up with a much, much greater demand for healthcare than your new population is able to provide, along with all of the other expected dysfunction that comes when leftists conduct their social experiments. Our local public schools in Maine canāt really be called schools anymore.
Of course you can compare the systems. It would be foolish not to.
Iām still waiting for someone to answer, who gets the bullet from behind for bad health outcomes in the UK?
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Iām not going to cut in on @twojarslaveās line of conversation, but as an aside something I notice is that every country with a failing socialized healthcare system is quick to defend the failure of that system and they do it by pointing out overall poor macroeconomic management leading to (or one could say trickling down to) the specific failure in question.
All the while, theyāll continue to support the ideology of the failed system and surrounding economic climate in principle, while more often than not eschewing trickle down economic theory because āit doesnāt workā, but it is working. Just in reverse because incentive to grow has been removed, as you mentioned directly.
Itās all a very interesting bunch of juxtapositions with many threads to pull.
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List them.
The answer isā¦ more potatoes.
All
Of
Them.
From intended delivery of care to funding.
Iām not going to set up a comprehensive list for you, but a few key players:
UK
Canada
EU
Your turn. Propose a logical leap to consider.
Paging @twojarslave as well. This is his thunder in this thread and his question has gone unanswered.
EU isnāt a nation and you provided no evidence to back your claim. Just admit you donāt know and are just parroting politically influenced talking points. Facts over feelings, kiddo.
The answer, to me at least, is obvious.
Virtually none of the people who cheer for this manās death would want to shoot anyone at all in the UK or Venezuela for healthcare-related reasons. They donāt see a problem there. The shortage of healthcare is completely unrelated to their left wing politics and can be explained away through all sorts of mental gymnastics.
It is the same reason why the people who cry human rights when poor people get to work in a sweatshop have nothing to say for the poor people who have nowhere to work at all. They donāt see a problem.
It is the same reason why all of the people in Maine who insist they are pro education donāt raise any concerns that would contradict their prevailing ideology when discussing the situation in our public schools, where learning doesnāt take place very reliably anymore.
Again, they donāt see a problem. That these institutions functioned quite well just a few years ago can all be explained away as well.
At the end of the day left wing policies have only ever been shown to produce one outcome reliably.
Shortages.
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Maybe, because they donāt live in the UK or Venezuela, they donāt care what happens there as much as you do for some weird reason.
Who are these people you imagine exist? We get it, you believe slavery is preferable to poverty.
What do you mean āof course you can make a valid comparisonā? In what universe do Maine and the UK look like similar contexts? Because the people both speak English? Because it rains?
If you want to make this comparison to the UK you need to compare it during a time when the UK had a similar macro climate. That is, 2005.
Anything otherwise and youāre just writing a fiction. You might as well introduce an evil knight who is responsible for disease oāer the lands
The irony is strong with this one.
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In Maine? The place where if you get divorced, youāre still brother and sister? The home of the Moon Dogs?
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Wealthy governments tend to spend their money, itās no mystery. The wealthiest governments on national, state, and city levels are always the ones spending the most on social programs and vanity projects. They can afford to, and itās an obvious thing to do, after all why not make life better if you can?
When external issues arise that disrupt that wealth generation the issue is that governments donāt adjust policy because the electorate doesnāt want life to get worse.
What you then have are impacts from growth limiting policies that didnāt have an impact before but do have an impact now (e.g. we shut down our power plants because we could afford to import electricity). You also have impacts from expensive programs that were affordable before but arenāt now.
These policies were not bad in their economic contexts but became bad when the governments didnāt adjust based on changing conditions.
I donāt have a horse in this race but to spare me an aneurysm please please please consider appropriate contexts when making comparisons. You can do this simply by adjusting what year you look at.
Edit: If you MUST look at a modern example of a wealthy high spend economy Norway is a very good one. Itās a non-EU state with a well managed oil industry. (Hvis du heter er njord jeg tenker du vet dette haha (god my Norwegian is rusty))
Imagine the gymnastics necessary to compare the Potato Recess to slave labor. I think he would call the Irish Famine an extended fast that ultimately had health benefits.
In a nutshell, this is a summary of my point. People defending socialized medicine will do so in principle even though the system is failing, both in delivered healthcare outcomes and in budget.
Your defense is a discussion of govt funded healthcare via manipulation of supply side and demand economics with the argument that because economic climates change, itās totally fine to say that socialized healthcare works, even though it isnāt, itās the economies fault. And specifically a centrally planned economy to boot.
Which is the problem.
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