I would hope so, it is the topic of the thread after all.
How about adultery?
Blasphemy is not exactly a lack of belief, it’s the same idea as being attacked or punished for accusations of making homophobic/transphobic/etc. remarks. If I went on a Muslim forum and dissed Mohamed or Allah I would expect a similar response to the one I got here.
But you want people to wear masks and shut down businesses?
This:
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So in your opinion there should be restrictions on thoughts and opinions, unless you just didn’t do a good job of stating your position.
It should be pretty obvious. It’s impossible to argue with because it it clearly based in logic and there are demonstrable facts that prove this is the case.
Some people apparently have strange ideas of what it means to be straight.
The whole point I was making was that at one time it would have been unimaginable that those things would become legal so it’s not impossible that pedophilia would become legal at some point, especially considering that there is a soft-on-pedos movement and NAMBLA and such. You just got your panties in a bunch when you read something that appeared not to affirm gay marriage. My opinion on that is irrelevant to this discussion, unless you believe that someone who won’t submit to the LGBT movement is not entitled to voice their opinion.
IMO, this is something that is immoral in most cases, but should probably not be illegal.
IMO, if you say either of these things you should be expecting backlash. I will criticize Islam for it’s faults, but I am not going to go post a picture of Mohammed on a Muslim forum.
You have the right to your opinion. You don’t have the right to not be criticized for it.
Yes I want them to wear a mask. You could gather that from posts in other threads.
I haven’t supported shutting down businesses in other threads.
The difference is I want them to do these things. I don’t think they should be forced to do so. I feel a rational argument for the use of the mask should convince most people, but maybe I am too optimistic?
I don’t think you read my post correctly. I have not stated that there should be restrictions on thoughts and opinions. Only that other’s thoughts and opinions should not limit other’s rights. Do you see how those items are separate?, or is not allowing you to restrict other’s rights based on your opinions a restriction on your thoughts? And none of this supports the idea that I am a closet homophobe (which is what I replied “I don’t know what made you come to that conclusion” over).
This is just a terrible argument. It assumes a slipping of morality where we eventually support child rape. The problem with this is there isn’t a convincing rational argument that homosexuality is immoral, there is convincing rational arguments that child rape is immoral (at least if we are talking about convincing rational people).
I said I don’t know where you are going because it’s a dumb point. If it was illegal to drive cars you probably wouldn’t have cars! That’s obvious but who gives a shit? If ammo was illegal we might not have guns.
I think it sounds like you’re far more interested in controlling pants than I am. You told someone not to talk about gay sex on a message board you don’t own.
Still pulling those things out of your ass. Where have I said you aren’t entitled to your opinion? You’re just not entitled to shitty arguments without people calling you on it.
You can call someone a sick fuck for changing a law, but you haven’t been able to defend why it makes sense to have that law remain unchanged.
Depends how you feel about another guy fucking your wife or girlfriend. Some people seem not mind, oddly enough.
The funny thing is I wasn’t even stating an opinion, I was making an analogy relating to the topic of this thread but apparently my comments weren’t politically correct enough.
Thoughts and opinions can’t limit rights, only actions can.
That was a joke but who knows, maybe you are standing up for the LGBTs so they don’t come after you next.
You might not like it, but that’s how we went from anal sex and same sex relations being criminal offences to them being protected by law and gay marriage being legal. And the Greeks and Romans had some sort of reasoning why it was OK to molest boys, you can look into that if you want.
Facts can be dumb I suppose, but it doesn’t make them any less true.
So?
I just don’t see the need for grown men to be allowed to fuck kids in the ass, maybe you can explain that one.
You should probably start a “facts unrelated to discussion topic” then?
You’re the one talking about how you should be free to have your opinion in here when the last time this was discussed you told people they weren’t allowed to say things.
Oh cool. So you want something explained that no one in here is supporting. I don’t support grown men taking pictures or forcing oral sex either but maybe to you it’s just that gross anal stuff?
I don’t see the need for you to fuck kids in the ass explain why you think you should be able to do that. Why do you think you should be allowed to rape kids?
Do you even know anything about the law you said was fucked up?
So it would be situational. It isn’t always immoral. It sure can be though IMO.
You got me here. I will change my position to voting to restrict people’s rights is immoral.
So we went from a morally neutral act (anal sex) to another morally neutral act (homosexual relationships), but now the next step is from the morally neutral thing (homosexual relationships) to an immoral action (child rape).
I understand that they did this stuff. I think they did it, despite it being wrong. It is wrong because there isn’t consent, and there isn’t a possibility of consent with a child.
This isn’t hard to get. Child rape didn’t exist before gay marriage.
What’s strange is how often “straight” people who are the most against homosexual relationships are so often the ones who are actually fucking kids or being caught in gay relationships that they saw are so wrong. Homophobes spend a lot of time thinking and talking about gay sex I’ve noticed.
It could be that it is just more noticeable when they get caught. People talk about it more for sure. IMO it sure seems like what you say is true though.
Personally, I have known obnoxiously religious people that turned out rotten. Older Coworker kept a Bible on his desk, would tell people not to swear around him, etc. One day he didn’t show up to work. Turns out he was arrested for molesting his grand daughters.
child molestation isn’t always about sexual attraction, it is also about abuse of power. I think in many cases, I don’t think it really has much to do with sexual preference, from what I’ve read. Although I also don’t think how you specifically categorizes it matters much. If you wanna call it bisexual, go for it, it doesn’t really change much.
I’m just about done with this argument. Here’s how this happened if I recall correctly. I mentioned on MY SUBTHREAD that I made out with a guy in Europe and you told me not to talk about it, that it wasn’t the place to come out. What makes you feel entitled to the point wherein you have a say in what I talk about on my thread? Then you started comparing homosexuality to beastiality and child molestation. I don’t care if you showcase disdain towards homosexuality as we are all ammenable to our own opinions. It was the comparisons that irritated me.
I’m not gay… Just for clarification…
You can dislike homosexuality if you wish, however finding something immoral from an individualistic perspective something doesn’t give adequate basis to make an otherwise harmless activity (same sex sexual activity) illigal.
My family believes eating bacon is immoral… This doesn’t mean bacon should be illigal. I eat bacon #edgy#rebel#rebelliousedgelord
What does this have to do with the price of apples? Guys rape little girls too. As @flipcollar specified, sadistic, power play relations are frequently at hand here. Similar to prison-rape, much of it isn’t fueled by homosexual attraction. It’s a sadistic display of dominance.
I’m aware of the concept of pedastry within ancient Rome. And I’m aware within the past same sex relations + sodomy was illigal. Back during ancient times society was far more barbaric in nature than it is today. I certainly wouldn’t want to run a secular, democratic society under the paridigms instilled during biblical times and/or ancient Rome/Greece.
It’s generally wrong, but it shouldn’t be illigal per se. With the disparity between homosexuality and child rape, you fail to adknowledge the disparity between the two. Getting raped as a child induces irrevocable physical and psychological damage. The same can’t be said about two consenting adults having sex.
Yes… Individualistic civil liberties should exist so long as rights excised only have significant effects on the individual excising said rights. By refusing to wear a mask you’re potentially putting the greater populace in harm’s way. @mnben87 phrased this excellently a while back “I have the right to swing my arms around. That right stops when my arm makes contact with your nose”.
NAMBLA will never be accepted within mainstream society. I saw this in South Park and initially thought it was a joke. Knowing such an organisation legitimately exists has given me even less faith in humanity lol.
What’s you’re issue with anal sex? Its a foolproof way to avoid getting pregnant (heterosexual sodomy) and for guys it feels good (prostate is up there). Why is anal sex any worse than oral sex or vaginal sex? It’s just a different route of penetration.
Where I live the age of consent is 16. This includes sodomy… Ages of consent shouldn’t differ based upon the sexual acts at stake. As I’ve specified before, the age of consent exists to weed out disparities within relation to levels of maturity generally present as we age. Why should the age differ for sodomy in particular? Prior to 16 my state has a two year rule starting at age 12. A 12 y/old can have sex with a 13 y/old, but not a 15y/old etc.
What’s weird is people have openly talked about sex in multiple spots on this board for years and no one bats an eye. But mention you kissed a guy and it’s hysteria and you shouldn’t do it. Kissing a guy is “distasteful” but if you shared details of you having sex with a women nothing would have been said.
I couldn’t care less what two consenting adults do in the bedroom. It has absolutely nothing to do with me. In fact it’s not even something discussed ever in my life unless I read a thread about people talking about how awful gay people are. Like I said homophobes typically talk and think about gay sex far more than those who don’t give a fuck.
It’s the same as me telling you right now that this discussion has nothing to do with the topic of this thread and I would rather not hear about it.
Then why defend Trudeau for lowering the age of anal consent?
Where did I ever say anything to that effect?
No but apparently you know all about it.
It wasn’t considered immoral in Rome or Greece, the birthplace of democracy.
It depends on what you consider consent. The law here is essentially that under a certain age you aren’t qualified to make certain decisions, but elsewhere people see things differently. What about my earlier story about a 13 year old girl who was trying to make some moves on me when I was 20-21 and she said she was 15, was she not able to consent despite being the one making advances on me?
That’s what led me to think that you and @mnben87 are closet homophobes.
What makes you feel entitled to do the same to me on a thread about pedo politicians?
If your dick can stay hard with a man’s ass in front of you then you are not straight.
Just seems like a shitty situation.
Very true. Now you’re making some sense. But it also is irrelevant and unnecessary if it has no relation to the topic at hand.
Well, we have a better grasp on morality now than ancient Greece or Rome. They had things like slavery at that time to, while also having democracy for some people (not all, I don’t think slaves or women could vote?).
As to your second point, we know a lot more about how the brain develops now. I’ve thought back to my younger days and thought of how stupid I was at the time. How impressionable I was to adults. To me willing to do something at a young age isn’t necessarily consent. Consent to me involves the person fully understanding what is going on, and the potential consequences. Additionally, if there is a high amount of power difference between the two (like with a child and an adult) I don’t think proper consent can occur. Many of the boys who were abused by priests for example thought they would get in trouble if they weren’t willing. I don’t think many 13 year olds are there TBH. Understanding that as a 20 something old guy, would show you that it isn’t right. A very drunk woman might be willing, but IMO, that isn’t right either.
One more point I think is important not from a legal stand point, but from my own moral code is that consent should be enthusiastic. It shouldn’t be consent because of me putting pressure on the person.
That’s a fair point. At the same time, we know that some people of a certain age for sure can’t. It isn’t practical to test people if they are able to consent. It is why age is used. I’ve said that in certain cases an under aged person could properly consent, while an older person couldn’t.
Maybe asking the questions is this person excited to be involved with me? Are they feeling pressured to have sex? Are they of the right mind? Probably a few more. The answers to these questions will probably tell you if you should have sex with this person. Obviously these are not from a legal stand point, more just trying to do the right thing. I’m not saying at all that you are pressuring others or anything.
You’re being deliberately obtuse here and you know it. The change in law had absolutely nothing to do with that and you know it. They could have also raised the age of consent to 18 for all sexual activities and it would have been consistent. What was in place didn’t make any sense and the law changed to make more sense.
Yeah I looked it up. I did research when you brought something up you clearly don’t understand and then continue to say well with the age lowered now you’re cool with kids being ass raped. Get out of here with that weak shit. The law didn’t change anything about kids being ass raped by grown men or whatever. The law has nothing to do with rape. At this point I’m not sure you know what consent means.
Oh look it’s the “oh if you don’t hate gays you must be gay!” premise. Feel like I’m talking to a middle schooler.
You’re embarrassing yourself more than normal in here but keep on keeping on.
Unless it was one of those gross positions or techniques you don’t like of course. Then you’ll meltdown and say you don’t want to hear about it. “Spin me a nice sex tale of missionary position with the purpose of having a baby the only type of sex that’s ok!”