y’know, don’t just write off clomid. It has advantages over nolva and you can’t conclusively say one is better than the other…
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Yes certainly. There are also various studies showing the effect of using low to moderate dosages of clomid on hypogonadal males over different timeframes.
In addition, there are also individual variances in response to different drugs and their respective side effects. You can’t just read one or two studies and start making absolute statements. Cyco certainly doesn’t do this when he’s around answering questions.
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Could you send me the member’s post who voulnteered for the mentioned bloodwork?
dt79 is talking about Igs Profile - Igs - Forums - T Nation and he’s yet to report the findings. We’re all waiting eagerly for it. This is the thread containing the post you’re asking for https://t-nation.com/t/lh-and-fsh/212574/36
One week in with 50mg Clomid EoD. 3-4 more weeks and you’ll have the bloods. I’ll start my own thread on it today.
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Labs should include:
TT
FT
E2
LH/FSH
All this information is always so conflicting… Taking @KSman recommendations this is what I have drafted for a cycle I will be starting in a few weeks.
I am very confident with this plan and don’t think it needs to change unless someone finds a serious flaw in my preparation.
W 1-10: Test E400mg 2x/week
W 1-11: HCG 225iu 2x/week
W 1-16: Adex .25mg EOD
W 17-18: Adex .125mg EOD
W 13-16: Nolva 20mg ED
W 17: Nolva 10mg ED
W 18: Nolva 5mg ED
Hey guys,
So the advice on here has been really great and very scientific and detailed.
However for the average gym junkie like myself a lot of it gets lost in translation. I see a lot of advice on how to run HCG DURING cycle.
I am on Week 9 of my 12 week test only cycle.
I have purchased HCG and Nolva for PCT.
The Nolva I am planning on starting 2 weeks after my last pin at 20mg a day for 42 days - 6 weeks.
However with the HCG I have 1ml of 5000iu.
I haven’t found a lot of advice on how to run the HCG besides after my last pin - 1000iu eod for 8 days leaving 72 hours before I start my SERM??
Could I do 1000iu eod for 10 days - use up my supply, wait the 3 days required then start nolva?
Or this:
“-Use HCG at 1000IU for the last 3 weeks of your test injections”
Could anyone advice here?
250iu 3x a week should suffice. Stop a week before PCT.
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FYI, my views on clomid are a little different from when i first started that thread…
this is largely due to guys taking clomid at 100+ mg/day, which causes LHrH desensitzation, and emotional issue for lots of guys. additionally, there are very little positive clinical studies that use doses higher than 25 mg/day…
however, clomid has been shown to work for extended periods of time (over a year), but again, at lower doses (25 mg/day)
for PCT, i think nolva (20 mg) clomid (25 mg) or toremefine (60 mg) would all be just fine. there are slight variations as to where/when they would each be better… the key, IMO, is to take them long enough to ensure that you’re completely recovered.
as far as using a SERM on cycle, i think this is bad advice, and i think there is bloodwork out there now showing that this doesn’t work.
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Hey Cyco, How’d your clomid whirl go? Did it helped you to attain your goals? Anything interesting you may have found
Edit: See your latest thread.
I know this is a long time past, but I am absolutely confused regarding PCT, and I am hoping to come out of that confusion. I am in week 12 of 20 weeks, running Deca 300mg weekly, 250mg cyp weekly, 50mg Proviron daily. I added 100mg prop and 60mg Tbol at week 11 and am running those for 6 weeks. What do I need to do to most effectively “come off” the cycle? I have Nolva, Clomid and HCG.
If I cycle again, is it better to take HCG on cycle?
Thank you