Hi, I am coming off of my first cycle. Im 22 years old and ran one PH cycle prior to this. Half of this was a cutting cycle (for a show) and half was a bulk. I was stupid, uninformed, and did a lot of things long, and have learned an incredibly amount since I start but I did make the mistake for running 16 weeks when it really should of done 10, and there are some things about my pct particularly with HCG I should of probably done differently but when you have someone 5’6’’ 250 at 10% body fat, you tend to take there advice.
PCT was as followed starting 14 days after my last Cyp injection:
HCG dosed every other day: 1000iu, 1000 iu, then 850 until i ran out for about 12 days.
On day 12 of HCG I started:
Torem: 120/60/60/30
Clomid: 80/40/40
Caber: .5 per week.
Aromasin 6mg/day.
My issue: 21/2 weeks into my PCT I felt great and my nuts were so big they were in the way. But when I dropped the dossages for the first taper, I began to feel emotional I finished up the clomid after 3 weeks (I miscalculated I needed 2 bottles) and then starting having some issues. My emotional state was… well I felt like a girl, and I started to get gyno, particularly on my right side.
The Other factor: I finished finals last week and I went out with friends and binged on alcohol about 3 times in 1 week. I felt good, didn’t notice any extra negative affects so I didn’t think much of it but… AFter all that is when I noticed the atrophy was back… feeling dumb.
So I am now on my last week of torem, and aramosin And my nuts are not near as full as they were 1 1/2 weeks ago, and I still have gyno on my right side. So What should I do? Should I prolong the PCT for 8 weeks and start back up with a moderate dosage. What dosage should I use and for how long?! I have the means to get another full bottle of Torem or (Nolva) and clomid each.
I really appreciate the help. I need to fix this asap, Gotta keep the boys big!
well, i think what happened, was that you mistook the increase size in the tests (from the HCG) as actual recovery. just because the HCG has made them work again, doesn’t mean everything else is working right…
anyway, i’d suggest staying at 60 mg/day for Tore and bump up the Aromasin to deal with the estrogen.
below are a couple links where this is discussed a bit:
Well the dramtic size Increased I noticed was actually 2 weeks after the completion of the HCG…
For the gyno, I was contemplating doing a letro taper up then down, before or concurently with running the torem. It worked well why on cycle, I just hate the way letro makes you feel and kills your drive…
Any other thoughts?
Thank you guys.
what compounds did you use for your cycle? any progestin based steroids?
off hand, here’s waht i think occurred…
the HCG lured you into think that your HPTA was recovered, and it wasn’t. your testes starting producing test, as you tapered down off your SERMs. you had a spike in test that aromatized into test that attached to the ER.
having all the estrogen related side effects shortly after Clomid cessation makes me think that your tore and aromasin isn’t good. well, the aromasin might be, but your dose is pretty low.
based off what i believe you have now, i’d immediately raise the aromasin up to 25 mg/day, or add in the letro. you need to deal with the estrogen, and determine if your tore is legit. aromasin is fast enough acting that you can figure out if it’s legit by simply raising the dose for a couple days (at least)…
binge drinking can raise estrogen levels, but typically not so high that people immediately get gyno. doesn’t help, tho…
Thank you. This is what I plan on doing. I am going to order more aromasin and either torem, or nolva. I think i am going to hop on letro until those two compounds come (usually about 4 days). Then continue the pct taper with those two things. legit? Im just scared of letro, and how to smoothly switch from letro to aromasin without any rebound issues.
I did mess with tren the last leg of my cycle, and I used a ridiculously low dose (just to put my foot in the water). Any gyno I noticed from it was taken care of with caber about 2 weeks after cessation of the tren.
Thanks for your input man.