PCT for 8 wks of Boldione 800mg/day?

Pharma
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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
pesty4077 wrote:
whotookmyname wrote:
pesty4077 wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
Dude, there is little to no risk of liver stress from any injectable steroid.

Boldenone has a REALLY long action and this makes it quite unsuitable for an 8 week cycle. You will need to wait at least 5-6 weeks after your last shot, before starting your nolvadex.

Since boldenone aromatises, you will need an AI.

No offence, but all in all, this is a pretty poor cycle plan.

BBB

What about injectable dboll and anadrol???

Alright dude, you pick two of the least common injectables to illustrate your point. Obviously BBB knows that 17aa’s will still cause liver stress if injected… they can’t avoid that 2nd pass, can they?! The main thrust of his point still stands correct.

It does not! His statement is irresponsible. Too not know this guys bloodwork, stats, previous health conditions and to make a comment like that does not make me think he knows that much. Will 1 drink cause liver problems, probally not, however keep on drinking and evidentually it will, same as AAS. Too many of you guys think you know just as much as the medical field and try to play doctor and make comments to guys who will believe that crap! Without bloodwork you trully don’t know that answer.

I don’t think I know more than the medical field. However I do know that I know more about AAS than 95% of GPs in this country and would be more than happy to take the ‘pepsi challenge’ pitting my knowledge against theirs (or yours for that matter).

I’m sorry you feel my statement is irresponsible, however until you can povide me with details of how injectable steroids (no, not dbol or anadrol. Or winstrol for that matter, since it is still 17aa) can cause liver stress when used at reasonable doses, I have to assert that my statement is not irresponsible.

I doubt you chastise the barman at your local tavern if he says “A few drinks never hurt anyone” now do you, so back off a bit dude. Let’s try to maintain some degree of perspective here.

BBB[/quote]

OK, Now you are pickng and choosing, what injectable steriods you are talking about. You didn’t in your original statement, so you really didn’t think about what you were saying. Hey, but you know more than 95% of GP’s? Even they, who don’t know as much, would not make ridiculous statemnets, before thinking. Of course you have all kind of degress, in this field, or do you? Wow, without really knowing my background, you are telling me that you know more than me, LOL. I find you comical, and just another all knowing guy, that instead of admitting his statement was wrong, justifies it with his all knowing powers. But, don’t worry, I won’t respond any more, because I like to engage in a conversation with thse who have open minds.

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BBB’s point is that yes while dbol and anadrol or whatever COULD be made in injectable preparations, their original intent are to be taken orally, whether injected or not they are still 17aa drugs.

His original statement he was i am sure assuming that most would understand that 17aa’s whether taken in oral form or some bastardized injectable preparation would of course cause more liver stress than non 17aa drugs. Semantics more than anything is the argument here.

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[quote]pesty4077 wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
pesty4077 wrote:
whotookmyname wrote:
pesty4077 wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
Dude, there is little to no risk of liver stress from any injectable steroid.

Boldenone has a REALLY long action and this makes it quite unsuitable for an 8 week cycle. You will need to wait at least 5-6 weeks after your last shot, before starting your nolvadex.

Since boldenone aromatises, you will need an AI.

No offence, but all in all, this is a pretty poor cycle plan.

BBB

What about injectable dboll and anadrol???

Alright dude, you pick two of the least common injectables to illustrate your point. Obviously BBB knows that 17aa’s will still cause liver stress if injected… they can’t avoid that 2nd pass, can they?! The main thrust of his point still stands correct.

It does not! His statement is irresponsible. Too not know this guys bloodwork, stats, previous health conditions and to make a comment like that does not make me think he knows that much. Will 1 drink cause liver problems, probally not, however keep on drinking and evidentually it will, same as AAS. Too many of you guys think you know just as much as the medical field and try to play doctor and make comments to guys who will believe that crap! Without bloodwork you trully don’t know that answer.

I don’t think I know more than the medical field. However I do know that I know more about AAS than 95% of GPs in this country and would be more than happy to take the ‘pepsi challenge’ pitting my knowledge against theirs (or yours for that matter).

I’m sorry you feel my statement is irresponsible, however until you can povide me with details of how injectable steroids (no, not dbol or anadrol. Or winstrol for that matter, since it is still 17aa) can cause liver stress when used at reasonable doses, I have to assert that my statement is not irresponsible.

I doubt you chastise the barman at your local tavern if he says “A few drinks never hurt anyone” now do you, so back off a bit dude. Let’s try to maintain some degree of perspective here.

BBB

OK, Now you are pickng and choosing, what injectable steriods you are talking about. You didn’t in your original statement, so you really didn’t think about what you were saying. Hey, but you know more than 95% of GP’s? Even they, who don’t know as much, would not make ridiculous statemnets, before thinking. Of course you have all kind of degress, in this field, or do you? Wow, without really knowing my background, you are telling me that you know more than me, LOL. I find you comical, and just another all knowing guy, that instead of admitting his statement was wrong, justifies it with his all knowing powers. But, don’t worry, I won’t respond any more, because I like to engage in a conversation with thse who have open minds.[/quote]

I am not jumping in to the middle of this discussion with any intent to take sides but your claim that BBB is a ‘close minded’ individual is comical. Seriously everyone who reads this board presently and who has in the past will agree that he is one of the MOST open minded people here. Not open minded in the sense that any and every idea should be entertained but in the sense that if an idea has some scientific merit it should be explored further.

One last thing and a legitimate question. If you possess such broad knowledge on the subject of AAS why don’t you post more often? Seriously. Instead of nitpicking on a rather benign comment made by one of the most respected people here why not share your knowledge with others. It’s pretty sad to just pop up and start a pointless argument simply out of boredom.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
pesty4077 wrote:

OK, Now you are pickng and choosing, what injectable steriods you are talking about. You didn’t in your original statement, so you really didn’t think about what you were saying. Hey, but you know more than 95% of GP’s? Even they, who don’t know as much, would not make ridiculous statemnets, before thinking. Of course you have all kind of degress, in this field, or do you? Wow, without really knowing my background, you are telling me that you know more than me, LOL. I find you comical, and just another all knowing guy, that instead of admitting his statement was wrong, justifies it with his all knowing powers. But, don’t worry, I won’t respond any more, because I like to engage in a conversation with thse who have open minds.

You still haven’t backed up your earlier point about how injectable steroids cause liver damage. This makes me question how much you actually know about the subject in hand.

My statement was not really ‘wrong’. I do not consider injectable dbol or anadrol to be members of the category of generally accepted ‘injectable steroids’, ergo it is not IMO wrong to state that injectable steroids do not cause liver damage. However I will admit that in your perfect world, I should have added the qualifier “except for winstrol”. Dianabol and anadrol have only been lately prepared for use as injectables, and ONLY by UGLs, never by pharm companies. So I wonder how many people here have actually used injectable dbol/anadrol? Not many, I’ll bet. But hey, I guess we have to now qualify every statement, just in case some anal person leaps on top of it, looking for errors or oversights.

Terribly sorry for my minor oversight which caused you to actually post something. Blimey, I never knew I could be so motivational :slight_smile:

So, are you finally going to back up your point about how injectable steroids that are not 17aa, can cause liver damage? I hope so, because contrary to your puerile tone, I do actually have an open mind and love to develop my knowledge base.

So come on teacher, share with us what you think you know. If you can actually provide some knowledge I will thank you, sincerely, for adding to the thread, instead of just detracting from it, as you have up to now.

BBB[/quote]

This is your original quote “Dude, there is little to no rsik of liver stress from any any injectable steriod” Unquote. You did not say that doesn’t include dboll, winstrol, or anadrol or at any doseage. You did not quote if it was Human grade or UL. Let me throw another popular steriod in the mix, Trenobolone (very toxic or the liver). I could care less if you are smarter then me in this subject of AAS. My point being was to state that it wasn’t clearly right or accurate.

There are alot of newbies on these boards that look up to guys like you and want to get educated. What if some guy starts shooting 800mg of tren a week for months? So, Like I said, I could care less about your education in this subject, sometimes we make statements without clearly thinking them out, instead of arguing who is right or wrong, add to your original statement, what drugs we just discuss that could have liver problems. I hope you see this as positive and not someone that is trying to prove you wrong. We all make statements sometimes without clearly thinking things the whole way through, myself included. It is how we react after wards that molds are characters. I apologize for coming off arrogant or cocky, it really isn’t my character. I been in the sport of Body Building for 30 years and I am still learning. I hope after ths we can learn from each other.

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INNIT! ROFL!

I am fucking stunned that after 30 years in the game he has so much misinformation in him (and such poor legs)!

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[quote] Brook wrote:
INNIT! ROFL!

I am fucking stunned that after 30 years in the game he has so much misinformation in him (and such poor legs)![/quote]

Really? Another guy making a comment, before thinking. That picture was taking in 1986, my first overall. My legs have develop nicely over the years. I am taking it you are a pro Body builder, because if it you were, you would know that all the training and Steriods in the world, will never get you to the top with out one thing, Genetics!I am not genectically gifted by no means, but work my ass to be the best I can, my conditioning can still match the best, that is something that I can control. Tell me, is that you in the picture?

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
pesty4077 wrote:
I hope after ths we can learn from each other.

Well that would be a win-win situation that I can get behind :slight_smile:

I do have one question though… What information or evidence do you have that tren is hard on the liver?

Cheers,
BBB[/quote]

Give me a couple of days, I own 2 businesses and have a busy work load. Once again, I came off arrogant and I am hear to learn just like the next person. If I am wrong, I learn and move on.

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Ummm that’s Phil Heath in the picture. He’s kind of well known.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Ummm that’s Phil Heath in the picture. He’s kind of well known. [/quote]

LOL, I know that! I just like to see others" pictures, when they critisize others.

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[quote]pesty4077 wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
Ummm that’s Phil Heath in the picture. He’s kind of well known.

LOL, I know that! I just like to see others" pictures, when they critisize others.[/quote]

Post a current pic of your legs and avoid the criticism

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
pesty4077 wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
pesty4077 wrote:
I hope after ths we can learn from each other.

Well that would be a win-win situation that I can get behind :slight_smile:

I do have one question though… What information or evidence do you have that tren is hard on the liver?

Cheers,
BBB

Give me a couple of days, I own 2 businesses and have a busy work load. Once again, I came off arrogant and I am hear to learn just like the next person. If I am wrong, I learn and move on.

Fair enough mate, I look forward to your reply.

BBB[/quote]

No need to wait, I talked to some people who are very knowledgeable in this area. (They are top BB’s and in the medical field and don’t want their names publicize) Here is what they told me, there is a risk, but lower than most report. Usally your urine will turn dark, which is a sure sign. In otherwords, there is some risk with liver, but lower than what I thought. They say, it depends on amount taken, most don’t suggest 75-100mg of Tren Aceteate, EOD. Of course, we know some will abuse this drug, making the risk much higher, then an avereage person. So, even though there are risks, with proper doseages, the risk is slim. Another factor to consider is lifestyle, and geneology. EX: If you excessive drink and then take Tren, sure your chances will be higher, or liver disease runs in your family. That is why, I will always suggest proper bloodwork, before embaking on any AAS cycle. I have to bow out to you on this one.

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[quote]pesty4077 wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
pesty4077 wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
pesty4077 wrote:
I hope after ths we can learn from each other.

Well that would be a win-win situation that I can get behind :slight_smile:

I do have one question though… What information or evidence do you have that tren is hard on the liver?

Cheers,
BBB

Give me a couple of days, I own 2 businesses and have a busy work load. Once again, I came off arrogant and I am hear to learn just like the next person. If I am wrong, I learn and move on.

Fair enough mate, I look forward to your reply.

BBB

No need to wait, I talked to some people who are very knowledgeable in this area. (They are top BB’s and in the medical field and don’t want their names publicize) Here is what they told me, there is a risk, but lower than most report. Usally your urine will turn dark, which is a sure sign. In otherwords, there is some risk with liver, but lower than what I thought. They say, it depends on amount taken, most don’t suggest 75-100mg of Tren Aceteate, EOD. Of course, we know some will abuse this drug, making the risk much higher, then an avereage person. So, even though there are risks, with proper doseages, the risk is slim. Another factor to consider is lifestyle, and geneology. EX: If you excessive drink and then take Tren, sure your chances will be higher, or liver disease runs in your family. That is why, I will always suggest proper bloodwork, before embaking on any AAS cycle. I have to bow out to you on this one.[/quote]

Is urine color a SURE sign? Eating certain vegetables will darken the urine, are they stressing the liver?

Tren is darker than most steroids to begin with, is it possible that some of it is just being excreted in the urine?

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
pesty4077 wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
Ummm that’s Phil Heath in the picture. He’s kind of well known.

LOL, I know that! I just like to see others" pictures, when they critisize others.

Post a current pic of your legs and avoid the criticism [/quote]

Fair enough. 6 weeks out, I will have ones updated at 1 week out (In 1 week)

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
pesty4077 wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
pesty4077 wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
pesty4077 wrote:
I hope after ths we can learn from each other.

Well that would be a win-win situation that I can get behind :slight_smile:

I do have one question though… What information or evidence do you have that tren is hard on the liver?

Cheers,
BBB

Give me a couple of days, I own 2 businesses and have a busy work load. Once again, I came off arrogant and I am hear to learn just like the next person. If I am wrong, I learn and move on.

Fair enough mate, I look forward to your reply.

BBB

No need to wait, I talked to some people who are very knowledgeable in this area. (They are top BB’s and in the medical field and don’t want their names publicize) Here is what they told me, there is a risk, but lower than most report. Usally your urine will turn dark, which is a sure sign. In otherwords, there is some risk with liver, but lower than what I thought. They say, it depends on amount taken, most don’t suggest 75-100mg of Tren Aceteate, EOD. Of course, we know some will abuse this drug, making the risk much higher, then an avereage person. So, even though there are risks, with proper doseages, the risk is slim. Another factor to consider is lifestyle, and geneology. EX: If you excessive drink and then take Tren, sure your chances will be higher, or liver disease runs in your family. That is why, I will always suggest proper bloodwork, before embaking on any AAS cycle. I have to bow out to you on this one.

Is urine color a SURE sign? Eating certain vegetables will darken the urine, are they stressing the liver?

Tren is darker than most steroids to begin with, is it possible that some of it is just being excreted in the urine?

[/quote]

Correct, It is not a sure sign, now blood in the urine would be bad. There is other factors, proper bloodwork, before and after would give you a better story. I have taking tren and my urine was clear as can be, so from personal expeience Tren did not change my clor.

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[quote]pesty4077 wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
pesty4077 wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
pesty4077 wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
pesty4077 wrote:
I hope after ths we can learn from each other.

Well that would be a win-win situation that I can get behind :slight_smile:

I do have one question though… What information or evidence do you have that tren is hard on the liver?

Cheers,
BBB

Give me a couple of days, I own 2 businesses and have a busy work load. Once again, I came off arrogant and I am hear to learn just like the next person. If I am wrong, I learn and move on.

Fair enough mate, I look forward to your reply.

BBB

No need to wait, I talked to some people who are very knowledgeable in this area. (They are top BB’s and in the medical field and don’t want their names publicize) Here is what they told me, there is a risk, but lower than most report. Usally your urine will turn dark, which is a sure sign. In otherwords, there is some risk with liver, but lower than what I thought. They say, it depends on amount taken, most don’t suggest 75-100mg of Tren Aceteate, EOD. Of course, we know some will abuse this drug, making the risk much higher, then an avereage person. So, even though there are risks, with proper doseages, the risk is slim. Another factor to consider is lifestyle, and geneology. EX: If you excessive drink and then take Tren, sure your chances will be higher, or liver disease runs in your family. That is why, I will always suggest proper bloodwork, before embaking on any AAS cycle. I have to bow out to you on this one.

Is urine color a SURE sign? Eating certain vegetables will darken the urine, are they stressing the liver?

Tren is darker than most steroids to begin with, is it possible that some of it is just being excreted in the urine?

Correct, It is not a sure sign, now blood in the urine would be bad. There is other factors, proper bloodwork, before and after would give you a better story. I have taking tren and my urine was clear as can be, so from personal expeience Tren did not change my clor.[/quote]

Alright. I think everyone will agree that blood is a sign of damage.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
pesty4077 wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
pesty4077 wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
pesty4077 wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
pesty4077 wrote:
I hope after ths we can learn from each other.

Well that would be a win-win situation that I can get behind :slight_smile:

I do have one question though… What information or evidence do you have that tren is hard on the liver?

Cheers,
BBB

Give me a couple of days, I own 2 businesses and have a busy work load. Once again, I came off arrogant and I am hear to learn just like the next person. If I am wrong, I learn and move on.

Fair enough mate, I look forward to your reply.

BBB

No need to wait, I talked to some people who are very knowledgeable in this area. (They are top BB’s and in the medical field and don’t want their names publicize) Here is what they told me, there is a risk, but lower than most report. Usally your urine will turn dark, which is a sure sign. In otherwords, there is some risk with liver, but lower than what I thought. They say, it depends on amount taken, most don’t suggest 75-100mg of Tren Aceteate, EOD. Of course, we know some will abuse this drug, making the risk much higher, then an avereage person. So, even though there are risks, with proper doseages, the risk is slim. Another factor to consider is lifestyle, and geneology. EX: If you excessive drink and then take Tren, sure your chances will be higher, or liver disease runs in your family. That is why, I will always suggest proper bloodwork, before embaking on any AAS cycle. I have to bow out to you on this one.

Is urine color a SURE sign? Eating certain vegetables will darken the urine, are they stressing the liver?

Tren is darker than most steroids to begin with, is it possible that some of it is just being excreted in the urine?

Correct, It is not a sure sign, now blood in the urine would be bad. There is other factors, proper bloodwork, before and after would give you a better story. I have taking tren and my urine was clear as can be, so from personal expeience Tren did not change my clor.

Alright. I think everyone will agree that blood is a sign of damage. [/quote]

Another factor to consider is once in a while dull pain in that area(and it doesn’t hit you all the time, comes and goes, sometimes for days) When I was young and foolish and abusing AAS, I had this. I went to the Doctor, he drew bloodwork and my liver was elevated. I guess you live and learn. If you do proper bloodwork, before and after, you will minimize any negative effects. I also believe in proper time off any cycle.