Paul for President

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
Think of it in the context of a decision of whom to elect as Commander in Chief. I don’t want to support someone who would acquiesce at the drop of a hat in a conflict - Carter and Mondale seemed like they were ready to surrender the fight against the Soviet Union, for instance (under the auspices of “realism” no less…).

We need an CiC who, in the opinion of the other world leaders (or perhaps also those like Bin Laden, assuming he’s still alive), would both utilize the military if he thought it necessary and who wouldn’t pull out if we suffered a casualty. It’s not only important in that exact scenario, but it’s important in the discussions/negotiations that might give rise to, or avert, that scenario.[/quote]

I still can’t tell who you’d be “surrendering” to, and over what.

What you are talking about can be better described as a belligerent position than by defense. You say would “utilize the military if he thought it necessary” and that sounds like a blank check for aggression to me.

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
BostonBarrister wrote:
http://www.rightontheright.com/node/3233

Peden pulls ahead, and no doubt he is getting support from outside sources who otherwise wouldn’t know much or care about this race for the Texas Congressional seat save for the Ron Paul wave of nuttery.

Hmmm - when Paulnuts use the term “blowback”, I now know exactly what they mean.

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Yeah, here’s what we mean…

WASHINGTON (AFP) �?? The head of the audit and investigative arm of the US Congress announced his resignation Friday, citing “real limitations” on what he could do.

David Walker, 51, a respected voice on fiscal matters, said he was making an early departure from the US Government Accountability Office (GAO) to head a new public interest foundation.

He had warned that the US government was on a “burning platform” of unsustainable policies and practices with fiscal deficits, chronic healthcare underfunding, immigration and overseas military commitments threatening a crisis if action was not taken soon.

There were “striking similarities” between America’s current situation and the factors that brought down Rome, he had said.

These included “declining moral values and political civility at home, an over-confident and over-extended military in foreign lands and fiscal irresponsibility by the central government.”

The only person coming anywhere NEAR addressing these issues is Dr. Paul…and you rip him.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
BostonBarrister wrote:
http://www.rightontheright.com/node/3233

Peden pulls ahead, and no doubt he is getting support from outside sources who otherwise wouldn’t know much or care about this race for the Texas Congressional seat save for the Ron Paul wave of nuttery.

Hmmm - when Paulnuts use the term “blowback”, I now know exactly what they mean.

Yeah, here’s what we mean…

WASHINGTON (AFP) �?? The head of the audit and investigative arm of the US Congress announced his resignation Friday, citing “real limitations” on what he could do.

David Walker, 51, a respected voice on fiscal matters, said he was making an early departure from the US Government Accountability Office (GAO) to head a new public interest foundation.

He had warned that the US government was on a “burning platform” of unsustainable policies and practices with fiscal deficits, chronic healthcare underfunding, immigration and overseas military commitments threatening a crisis if action was not taken soon.

There were “striking similarities” between America’s current situation and the factors that brought down Rome, he had said.

These included “declining moral values and political civility at home, an over-confident and over-extended military in foreign lands and fiscal irresponsibility by the central government.”

The only person coming anywhere NEAR addressing these issues is Dr. Paul…and you rip him.

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What was the date on this again - I seem to remember it was several years ago.

BTW, declining moral values and political civility? Really? Study up on your political history…

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[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
BostonBarrister wrote:
http://www.rightontheright.com/node/3233

Peden pulls ahead, and no doubt he is getting support from outside sources who otherwise wouldn’t know much or care about this race for the Texas Congressional seat save for the Ron Paul wave of nuttery.

Hmmm - when Paulnuts use the term “blowback”, I now know exactly what they mean.

Yeah, here’s what we mean…

WASHINGTON (AFP) �?? The head of the audit and investigative arm of the US Congress announced his resignation Friday, citing “real limitations” on what he could do.

David Walker, 51, a respected voice on fiscal matters, said he was making an early departure from the US Government Accountability Office (GAO) to head a new public interest foundation.

He had warned that the US government was on a “burning platform” of unsustainable policies and practices with fiscal deficits, chronic healthcare underfunding, immigration and overseas military commitments threatening a crisis if action was not taken soon.

There were “striking similarities” between America’s current situation and the factors that brought down Rome, he had said.

These included “declining moral values and political civility at home, an over-confident and over-extended military in foreign lands and fiscal irresponsibility by the central government.”

The only person coming anywhere NEAR addressing these issues is Dr. Paul…and you rip him.

What was the date on this again - I seem to remember it was several years ago.

BTW, declining moral values and political civility? Really? Study up on your political history…[/quote]

Argue with Mr. Walker, not me. He’s trying to set off, quite rightly, the alarm bells, while we vote for criminals and amoral savages who want to ‘make deals’.

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[quote]pookie wrote:
McCain, if elected, wants to increase troop levels from 750,000 to 900,000 and increase the defense budget to cold war levels.
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I thought it was already way over Cold War numbers these days anyway. At least since the 80’s. I remember Clinton raised it by 50bil and Bush Jr raised it again. Am I missing inflation?

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[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
Sloth wrote:
BostonBarrister wrote:
http://www.rightontheright.com/node/3233

Edit: Meh, nevermind. If the GoP is determined to be the war party that’s their concern, and no longer mine.

Sloth,

The GOP isn’t determined to be the “War Party,” though it is determined to be the “No Surrender Party” and the “Strong Military Party.” War shouldn’t be a default option - but it needs to be a real, viable option, particularly in order to give teeth to negotiations with parties who only care about that possible eventuality.[/quote]

EVERYONE (with the exception of maybe Kucinich) is talking about a strong military. Nobody, including Ron Paul, is taking war off the table as an option of U.S. policy. Paul, it should be remembered, did his duty in the Air Force while jingoes like Giuliani sat out a war.

Recognizing reality both in Iraq and in the state of our military is not “surrender.” Obama is the most left-wing candidate in the race, and some of his statements on intervention, in Pakistan and beyond, bring to mind the worst of the “Bush Doctrine.” The moronic view that the Democrats will “surrender to terror” (see Romney, par for the course with him) has minimal basis in reality.

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[quote]Majin wrote:
pookie wrote:
McCain, if elected, wants to increase troop levels from 750,000 to 900,000 and increase the defense budget to cold war levels.

I thought it was already way over Cold War numbers these days anyway. At least since the 80’s. I remember Clinton raised it by 50bil and Bush Jr raised it again. Am I missing inflation?

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McCain goes by % of GDP. You’re currently, according to him, below 4% GDP, while as during the Cold War years you were above it.

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[quote]pookie wrote:
Majin wrote:
pookie wrote:
McCain, if elected, wants to increase troop levels from 750,000 to 900,000 and increase the defense budget to cold war levels.

I thought it was already way over Cold War numbers these days anyway. At least since the 80’s. I remember Clinton raised it by 50bil and Bush Jr raised it again. Am I missing inflation?

McCain goes by % of GDP. You’re currently, according to him, below 4% GDP, while as during the Cold War years you were above it.

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Damn, what a senile prick. Going by actual money, the offense budget(let’s be real) has been growing by hundreds of billions every presidency even though ‘the red menace’ ate itself. It’s like every gvrnmnt action is a contemptuous spit at the people and the world. Nothing new, just saying…

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