[quote]Raided wrote:
I like the term adult religion there is something very childish about saying “if you don’t believe what we believe then you’re not going to heaven”.
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Why? The cosmos owes you nothing, my good man. What’s truly childish is saying “I can do and believe whatever I like and, by golly, I’ll still go to heaven!”[/quote]
Perhaps what’s truly childish is believing in heaven.
Stranger in a Strange Land popularized the phrase “Thou art God” some 40 years ago.
In a letter to his editor in 1960, Robert Heinlein explained and summarized what he had intended that phrase to convey:
That pantheistic, mystical “Thou art God!” chorus that runs through the book is not offered as a creed, but as an existentialist assumption of personal responsibility, devoid of all godding. It says, "Don’t appeal for mercy to God the Father up in the sky, little man, because he’s not at home and never was at home, and couldn’t care less. What you do with yourself, whether you are happy or unhappy - live or die - is strictly your business and the universe doesn’t care. In fact, you may be the universe and the only cause for your troubles. But, at best, the most you can hope for is comradeship with comrades no more divine (or just as divine) as you are. So quit sniveling and face up to it - “Thou art God!”[/quote]
…and it is this that scares most believers shitless…
[quote]Raided wrote:
I like the term adult religion there is something very childish about saying “if you don’t believe what we believe then you’re not going to heaven”.
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Why? The cosmos owes you nothing, my good man. What’s truly childish is saying “I can do and believe whatever I like and, by golly, I’ll still go to heaven!”[/quote]
Perhaps what’s truly childish is believing in heaven.
Stranger in a Strange Land popularized the phrase “Thou art God” some 40 years ago.
In a letter to his editor in 1960, Robert Heinlein explained and summarized what he had intended that phrase to convey:
That pantheistic, mystical “Thou art God!” chorus that runs through the book is not offered as a creed, but as an existentialist assumption of personal responsibility, devoid of all godding. It says, "Don’t appeal for mercy to God the Father up in the sky, little man, because he’s not at home and never was at home, and couldn’t care less. What you do with yourself, whether you are happy or unhappy - live or die - is strictly your business and the universe doesn’t care. In fact, you may be the universe and the only cause for your troubles. But, at best, the most you can hope for is comradeship with comrades no more divine (or just as divine) as you are. So quit sniveling and face up to it - “Thou art God!”[/quote]
…and it is this that scares most believers shitless…
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And you know this how? You have a newly evolved ability to peer deeply into one’s mind without even meeting them? Nice, dude.
Make no mistake about it folks: Paul Chek is the biggest crackpot in the fitness industry. He believes he’s a persecuted genius, but the reality is that he really is just utterly batshit insane.
[quote]Raided wrote:
I like the term adult religion there is something very childish about saying “if you don’t believe what we believe then you’re not going to heaven”.
[/quote]
Why? The cosmos owes you nothing, my good man. What’s truly childish is saying “I can do and believe whatever I like and, by golly, I’ll still go to heaven!”[/quote]
Perhaps what’s truly childish is believing in heaven.
Stranger in a Strange Land popularized the phrase “Thou art God” some 40 years ago.
In a letter to his editor in 1960, Robert Heinlein explained and summarized what he had intended that phrase to convey:
That pantheistic, mystical “Thou art God!” chorus that runs through the book is not offered as a creed, but as an existentialist assumption of personal responsibility, devoid of all godding. It says, "Don’t appeal for mercy to God the Father up in the sky, little man, because he’s not at home and never was at home, and couldn’t care less. What you do with yourself, whether you are happy or unhappy - live or die - is strictly your business and the universe doesn’t care. In fact, you may be the universe and the only cause for your troubles. But, at best, the most you can hope for is comradeship with comrades no more divine (or just as divine) as you are. So quit sniveling and face up to it - “Thou art God!”[/quote]
…and it is this that scares most believers shitless…
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And you know this how? You have a newly evolved ability to peer deeply into one’s mind without even meeting them? Nice, dude.[/quote]
And you know this how? You have a newly evolved ability to peer deeply into one’s mind without even meeting them? Nice, dude.[/quote]
You don’t know young Eph, our prodigy, well, do you? He’s all of 23 or so years of age but has the universe and all that is within it plumb figgered out. Years and years and years of experience…er…I mean university…have taught him how to unravel the mysteries of the universe. Grab his coattails and he’ll lead you to the portals of intellectual glory.[/quote]
…dude, i wouldn’t want to be 23 again if you paid me!
Ok, so there are clearly some highly knowledgeable people here.
No offense meant but this is a body building forum. All the interviews here are about training principles and most articles have pictures of semi-naked chicks - hardly the inspiration of deep spiritual inquiry. Why anyone bothers to refute or support the beliefs of an interview subject like Paul Chek is beyond me.
I think its fair to say that religion and spirituality are constantly evolving subjects of endless permutation and intpretation; one could ponder for several lifetimes and still not fully comprehend them. We don’t have several life times. Why don’t we all put this one to bed and get back to barbells and tits?
[quote]charlotte49er wrote:
I don’t mind Chek, I just wish celebrities and trainers and everybody would just do what their good at and not try to be philosophers. I am majoring in theology and I’ve learned that many of these pseudo-philosophers are really misguided. That is why I avoid discussing religions outside of class, even though I have taken dozens of religious classes I still don’t consider myself worthy to try to influence others.[/quote]
Since physical training is not an exact science, we rely on philsophy to develop opinions. Each school of thought (Aerobics, pilates, functional training, HIT, etc.) is based on a unique philosophical orientation. It is impossible to avoid philosophizing because the admonition against thinking too much (“just get in the gym and lift”) is itself a philosophical take.
I’ve noticed that a lot of hardcore endurance atheltes are politically liberal, while most of the people in bodybuilding forums seem to be intelligent conservatives/libertarians. Is there a philosophical connection there? I think so.
[quote]Raided wrote:
I like the term adult religion there is something very childish about saying “if you don’t believe what we believe then you’re not going to heaven”.
[/quote]
Why? The cosmos owes you nothing, my good man. What’s truly childish is saying “I can do and believe whatever I like and, by golly, I’ll still go to heaven!”[/quote]
Perhaps what’s truly childish is believing in heaven.
Stranger in a Strange Land popularized the phrase “Thou art God” some 40 years ago.
In a letter to his editor in 1960, Robert Heinlein explained and summarized what he had intended that phrase to convey:
That pantheistic, mystical “Thou art God!” chorus that runs through the book is not offered as a creed, but as an existentialist assumption of personal responsibility, devoid of all godding. It says, "Don’t appeal for mercy to God the Father up in the sky, little man, because he’s not at home and never was at home, and couldn’t care less. What you do with yourself, whether you are happy or unhappy - live or die - is strictly your business and the universe doesn’t care. In fact, you may be the universe and the only cause for your troubles. But, at best, the most you can hope for is comradeship with comrades no more divine (or just as divine) as you are. So quit sniveling and face up to it - “Thou art God!”[/quote]
…and it is this that scares most believers shitless…
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New Ageism is a narcissistic, self-absorbed, pseudo philosophy/“religion.” It is only about attempting to deify the self, to turn yourself into a little god. It’s just the sort of philosophy that would appeal to a guy who talks ecstatically about his own fecal matter.
[quote]Raided wrote:
I like the term adult religion there is something very childish about saying “if you don’t believe what we believe then you’re not going to heaven”.
[/quote]
Why? The cosmos owes you nothing, my good man. What’s truly childish is saying “I can do and believe whatever I like and, by golly, I’ll still go to heaven!”[/quote]
Perhaps what’s truly childish is believing in heaven.
Stranger in a Strange Land popularized the phrase “Thou art God” some 40 years ago.
In a letter to his editor in 1960, Robert Heinlein explained and summarized what he had intended that phrase to convey:
That pantheistic, mystical “Thou art God!” chorus that runs through the book is not offered as a creed, but as an existentialist assumption of personal responsibility, devoid of all godding. It says, "Don’t appeal for mercy to God the Father up in the sky, little man, because he’s not at home and never was at home, and couldn’t care less. What you do with yourself, whether you are happy or unhappy - live or die - is strictly your business and the universe doesn’t care. In fact, you may be the universe and the only cause for your troubles. But, at best, the most you can hope for is comradeship with comrades no more divine (or just as divine) as you are. So quit sniveling and face up to it - “Thou art God!”[/quote]
…and it is this that scares most believers shitless…
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Evidence?[/quote]
Ofcourse, why would you believe anything without evidence.
Jesus can squat 600, while he only benches 400, he is a endurance athlete ( 40 days in dessert !! )
Buddha can bench press 500 and squat 650 but he is a shorter ( a great powerlifter genetics ). While Mohamed is great at cleans. Also Michael Jackson is a great singer, so is Elvis btw…
[quote]Raided wrote:
I like the term adult religion there is something very childish about saying “if you don’t believe what we believe then you’re not going to heaven”.
[/quote]
Why? The cosmos owes you nothing, my good man. What’s truly childish is saying “I can do and believe whatever I like and, by golly, I’ll still go to heaven!”
New Ageism is a narcissistic, self-absorbed, pseudo philosophy/“religion.” It is only about attempting to deify the self, to turn yourself into a little god. It’s just the sort of philosophy that would appeal to a guy who talks ecstatically about his own fecal matter.
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Well then it is probably much more reaslistic than most religions because we probably are as godlike as any creature we are likely to encounter so exploring our own potential is all there is.
I would not necessarily equate the childlike wish for an all knowing and perhaps all loving creator with maturity and the phantasy to live forever in an afterlife and to be united with an all powerful figure is as narcissistic as it gets.
[quote]Raided wrote:
I like the term adult religion there is something very childish about saying “if you don’t believe what we believe then you’re not going to heaven”.
[/quote]
Why? The cosmos owes you nothing, my good man. What’s truly childish is saying “I can do and believe whatever I like and, by golly, I’ll still go to heaven!”[/quote]
Perhaps what’s truly childish is believing in heaven.
Stranger in a Strange Land popularized the phrase “Thou art God” some 40 years ago.
In a letter to his editor in 1960, Robert Heinlein explained and summarized what he had intended that phrase to convey:
That pantheistic, mystical “Thou art God!” chorus that runs through the book is not offered as a creed, but as an existentialist assumption of personal responsibility, devoid of all godding. It says, "Don’t appeal for mercy to God the Father up in the sky, little man, because he’s not at home and never was at home, and couldn’t care less. What you do with yourself, whether you are happy or unhappy - live or die - is strictly your business and the universe doesn’t care. In fact, you may be the universe and the only cause for your troubles. But, at best, the most you can hope for is comradeship with comrades no more divine (or just as divine) as you are. So quit sniveling and face up to it - “Thou art God!”[/quote]
…and it is this that scares most believers shitless…
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Evidence?[/quote]
Ofcourse, why would you believe anything without evidence.[/quote]
[quote]pushharder wrote:
I said this on another thread somewhere. Man’s psyche will not allow godlessness. If he eschews God or a form of Him he will replace Him with Man. In this sense humanism, atheism, and New Ageism coincide (collide?).[/quote]
Since you said you’ve already mentioned this elsewhere, it might be too much of me to ask her, but I could use some clarification. I’m curious why you would think man cannot be godless.
[quote]macetini wrote:
Jesus can squat 600, while he only benches 400, he is a endurance athlete ( 40 days in dessert !! )
Buddha can bench press 500 and squat 650 but he is a shorter ( a great powerlifter genetics ). While Mohamed is great at cleans. Also Michael Jackson is a great singer, so is Elvis btw…[/quote]
that’s funny…but Michael Jackson and Elvis ‘were’ good singers, they’re dead now, Michael and Elvis are sitting at the juice bar at Gold’s Gym Heaven watching Jesus, Budda and Mohammed competing in a Joe Defranco’s style strong man comp for the ‘heavens strongest man title’, no body is looking forward to the Prowler Push event though, it’s a tough sucker!!
OR this sort of thing: [quote]"Ideas always create limitation – or division, because for every “is,” there must be an “isn’t.” [/quote]
Presumably, here^^ he is exempting his own “ideas”? Including this ^^ particular one? LOL.
Historically he’s off his rocker: if the 20th century saw the dissolution of monotheistic religions - and monotheistic religions are responsible for war - why was the 20th century the bloodiest in human history?
Have the nations of the world that practice the so-called “nondualistic” religions been free of human pain, suffering, cruelty, warfare? What a hoax.
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Yes but how may Buddists attacked other Buddists and raper their women? How about Tibetans, how may time did Tibetans attack others and take their plunder and rape their women?
OR this sort of thing: [quote]"Ideas always create limitation – or division, because for every “is,” there must be an “isn’t.” [/quote]
Presumably, here^^ he is exempting his own “ideas”? Including this ^^ particular one? LOL.
Historically he’s off his rocker: if the 20th century saw the dissolution of monotheistic religions - and monotheistic religions are responsible for war - why was the 20th century the bloodiest in human history?
Have the nations of the world that practice the so-called “nondualistic” religions been free of human pain, suffering, cruelty, warfare? What a hoax.
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Yes but how may Buddists attacked other Buddists and raper their women? How about Tibetans, how may time did Tibetans attack others and take their plunder and rape their women?
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You saying there’s no such thing as a bad Buddhist?