Pat Robertson Should Be Assassinated

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
reddog6376 wrote:
Zeppelin795 wrote:
How many innocent people has this country murdered directly and by proxy? The number must be staggering.
Unfortunately it’s citizens don’t know about it due to the orchestrated cover-up by the corporate media.

I’d like to know some examples of this. And before you start, I don’t consider casualties of war (combatants or “collateral damage” civilians to be murder). Please use examples post WWI, as they are more relevant.

Vietnam…ahh… this war! How many innocent Iraqi’s, vietnamese, cambodians and nicuraguans just to name a few countries. These are killings done directly or by agents trained by our country.
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Yea! DOWN WITH THE USA! WE SUCK! LOL I love this thread…:slight_smile:

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
What does that make you? A free thinker? A renegade? I’ll tell you what it makes you - a hypocrite. Good god - at least have enough intellectual honesty to admit you are just as much a partisan hack as you accuse me of being.

What’s that? No - your hatred of Pat Robertson most certainly does not mean you are an independent thinker. [/quote]

My gosh rainjack you have missed the entire point of this guys thread!

You see it’s not okay for Pat Robertson to hate anyone. However, it’s perfectly fine for various nut jobs to post hate filled material about Pat Robertson.

Ha ha…I think both sides on this issue are wacko…

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[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Vietnam…ahh… this war! How many innocent Iraqi’s, vietnamese, cambodians and nicuraguans just to name a few countries. These are killings done directly or by agents trained by our country.
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Those are names of countries, not examples. You’ll have to be more sprcific than that.

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Just heard it on the news. Jesse Jackson has been in venusuela ( knew this ) talking w/ Chaves and even though i don’t really like Jackson he will put on a better face than Pat Robertson. The news also reported than Chavez has decidied to help America out w/ the high gas prices / Louisiana gas-crunch and tap some oil our way. So F$@k you pat.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:

Pat Robertson is no more a voice for the right than Jesse Jackson/MMoore/AL Sharpton/George Soros is for the left.

What does that make you? A free thinker? A renegade? I’ll tell you what it makes you - a hypocrite. Good god - at least have enough intellectual honesty to admit you are just as much a partisan hack as you accuse me of being.

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You claim that:

a) Pat Robertson is not a voice for the right

B) Anyone who “hates” Pat Robertson, is a partisan hack.

(B) does not follow from (A) since you have claimed that Pat Robertson is not a voice for the right.

Pat Robertson has a massive political machine. It’s important to expose him as the hateful lunatic that he is. It’s not a partisan issue at all, especially since I am certainly not a leftist at all.

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Just had to post my amazement that this post has lasted this long. Pat Robertson is an idiot lunatic that has somehow duped thousands into believing he is a messsenger of “God”. He doesn’t represent any party except that of warped religious zealot assholes. Nothing he says has any merit and should be taken as the ramblings of an man consumed with hate.

Of course he is a jackass but he is in a country founded on the principle that he has the right to say what he thinks, no matter how ignorant it is.

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[quote]Floortom wrote:
Vroom, whats the problem here?? These guys have already admitted that they’re right-wing shills who cheer for their “side” like it’s a baseball game. You could no more reasons with hacks like this as you could with leftist nuts like Chomsky. They’re two sides of the same coin.

I really dont get your motivation in trying to call them out or provoke reasonable and objective concessions.

Anyways, back to the lunatic Robertson. Here are some other quotes of his: OSama Bin Robertson anyone?

We have a court that has essentially stuck its finger in God’s eye. We have insulted God at the highest levels of our government. Then, we say, “Why does this happen?” It is happening because God Almighty is lifting His protection from us.
– Pat Robertson, blaming American lifestyles for bringing God’s judgement upon us in the form of the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, in a three-page statement released Thursday, September 13, 2001,

This is God’s power and he sent this thing to warn us … we needed a shock.
– Pat Robertson, remarking on the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001

I think we ought to close Halloween down. Do you want your children to dress up as witches? The Druids used to dress up like this when they were doing human sacrifice… [Your children] are acting out Satanic rituals and participating in it, and don’t even realize it.
– Pat Robertson, The 700 Club television program, October 29, 1982

The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians.
– Pat Robertson, fundraising letter, 1992

God’s pattern is for men to be the leaders, both in the church and in the family… “Women should listen and learn quietly and submissively. I do not let women teach men or have authority over them.”
– Pat Robertson, reciting a passage from I Timothy in his book, Bring It On, quoted from Nicholas D. Kristof, “Peter, Paul, Mary … and God” (The New York Times: February 28, 2004) ??

I know this is painful for the ladies to hear, but if you get married, you have accepted the headship of a man, your husband. Christ is the head of the household and the husband is the head of the wife, and that’s the way it is, period.
– Pat Robertson, The 700 Club television program, January 8, 1992

If the widespread practice of homosexuality will bring about the destruction of your nation, if it will bring about terrorist bombs, if it’ll bring about earthquakes, tornadoes and possibly a meteor, it isn’t necessarily something we ought to open our arms to.
– Pat Robertson, The 700 Club television program, August 6, 1998, on the occasion of the Orlando, Florida, Gay Pride Festival 199

I would warn Orlando that you’re right in the way of some serious hurricanes, and I don’t think I’d be waving those flags in God’s face if I were you.
– Pat Robertson, The 700 Club television program, August 6, 1998, on the occasion of the Orlando, Florida, Gay Pride Festival 1998

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Floortom, could you please provide a definition of “leftist nuts” and explain how Chomsky fits that definition.

Thank you

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
Zeppelin795 wrote:
ZEB wrote:
The corporate/state quells it’s citizens through that system of lies.

LOL~!

You included

I’m a corporate guy lying to the masses? LOL![/quote]

No Zeb, you’re just a victim of propaganda. It is you who is being deliberately lied to.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
Zeppelin795 wrote:
reddog6376 wrote:
Zeppelin795 wrote:
How many innocent people has this country murdered directly and by proxy? The number must be staggering.
Unfortunately it’s citizens don’t know about it due to the orchestrated cover-up by the corporate media.

I’d like to know some examples of this. And before you start, I don’t consider casualties of war (combatants or “collateral damage” civilians to be murder). Please use examples post WWI, as they are more relevant.

Vietnam…ahh… this war! How many innocent Iraqi’s, vietnamese, cambodians and nicuraguans just to name a few countries. These are killings done directly or by agents trained by our country.

Yea! DOWN WITH THE USA! WE SUCK! LOL I love this thread…:slight_smile:
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No we should just apply the same set of morals to ourselves and friends as we do to others.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Zeppelin795 wrote:
Vietnam…ahh… this war! How many innocent Iraqi’s, vietnamese, cambodians and nicuraguans just to name a few countries. These are killings done directly or by agents trained by our country.

Shouldn’t you be on the damn Sheehan/Fonda Bus tour?

Do you nut jobs on the anti-war/ABB side even realize how baseless and stupid most of your/Sheehan’s postitons are?

Of course not. You think it is true, therefore it must be.

Please keep speaking it louder and prouder. You can do far more for the Republican party with this nonsense than you realize. [/quote]

Don’t even know who Sheehan is. It is you who adheres to the basic war propaganda line.

The basic facts are there and if you look at the evidence that’s been accumulated it is striking indeed.
Don’t be a victim.

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[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
The basic facts are there and if you look at the evidence that’s been accumulated it is striking indeed.
Don’t be a victim.[/quote]

Oh - I’m not a ‘victim’. And your rhetoric, and the rhetoric of the wacked out left is what loses elections for you year in and year out.

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I cringe whenever anyone talks about America’s “Judeo-Christian” values. Until WWII, the vast majority of American Christians were viciously anti-semitic and throughout history, Christians have for the most part hated Jews.

ClarkCall is obviously incapable of engaging in an intellectual argument. All he is capable of is terrorist rhetoric, name calling, and throwing out the names of “communist” books he has never read. It’s funny how he complains that he went to a “liberal fascist” university, but in fact he is the epitome of fascist ideology: violence over debate, brute power over intellect. That’s how fascists do their work. His idea of debate isn’t reading a book and making an intelligent critique; it’s breaking someone’s nose and reveling in the blood running down his opponent’s face. That, my friend, is not American; it’s the very thing he calls us: fascist. That’s how stormtroopers silence democracy.

In fact, since he is too lazy or unintelligent to read Marx or any other pre-Soviet socialist theorist, he simply conflates what happened in the USSR, China, North Korea, etc… with all “communism.”

ClarkCall, please indicate what books by Marx you have read.

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[quote]reddog6376 wrote:
Zeppelin795 wrote:
Vietnam…ahh… this war! How many innocent Iraqi’s, vietnamese, cambodians and nicuraguans just to name a few countries. These are killings done directly or by agents trained by our country.

Those are names of countries, not examples. You’ll have to be more sprcific than that.[/quote]

Okay. Let’s take an example of U.S. responsibility of genocide by proxy.
In 1975 East Timor was invaded by Indonesia. Ford and Kissenger were in Jakarta on dec. 5th. They asked Indonesia not to invade until they left because it would be too embarassing. On the 7th Indonesia invaded. For weeks they just indiscriminately slaughtered people.

Jose Ramos-Horta was the East timor representative to the U.N. He pleaded to the U.N. to do something about the acts of mureder. The U.N. reponded - like it usually does - with condemnation and sanctions. Eventually there were various watered down resolutions passed but the U.S. was clearly not going to let anything work.

Here is a quote from Daniel Patrick Moynihan(the U.S. representative) “The State Department desired that the U.N. prove utterly ineffective in whatever measures it undertook. This task was given to me and I carried it forward with no inconsiderable success.”

The Timorese fleed into the jungle by the thousands and the Indonesians set-up recieving camps for those who were waiving white flags. Those who were though to be part of the resistence or educated were killed. Some women were took by helicopter for use by the Indonesian army. They killed children and babies. However, their main strategy was stravation. By 78’ the church and other sources estimated 200,000 dead. And the U.S. backed it all the way. We provided about 90% of the arms. In 78’ they started to run out of weapons so the Carter Administration moved in and increased arms sales. Other countries were involved. Anyone who could make a buck was in there making sure Indonesia could kill more Timorese.

When the genocide reached it’s highest levels in 77’ 78’ the news coverage fell to zero. Before this there was hardly any coverage. And when it was covered it was from the point of view from the State Department or Indonesian generals. Never from a Timorese.

But at the same time the mass media spent an exhaustive time covering the genocide committed by Pol Pot.

You see there is no Western concern for atrocities, human rights abuses or aggresion if there is a profit to be made from them. Only from offical enemies does this country publicize the abuses.

It’s all part of the propaganda system done by government and corporations.

Relating more to the original post Venezuala sits on the most massive oil reserves outside the mid-east.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Zeppelin795 wrote:
The basic facts are there and if you look at the evidence that’s been accumulated it is striking indeed.
Don’t be a victim.

Oh - I’m not a ‘victim’. And your rhetoric, and the rhetoric of the wacked out left is what loses elections for you year in and year out.
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If you only recive your news from the corporate mass media then you are a victim.

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CARACAS (AFP) - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez offered to send food and fuel to the United States after the powerful Hurricane Katrina pummeled the US south, ravaging US crude production.

The leftist leader, a frequent critic of the United States and a target himself of US disapproval, said Venezuela could send aid workers with drinking water, food and fuel to US communities hit by the hurricane.

“We place at the disposition of the people of the United States in the event of shortages – we have drinking water, food, we can provide fuel,” Chavez told reporters.

Chavez said fuel could be sent to the United States via a Citgo refinery that has not been affected by the hurricane. Citgo is owned by Venezuela’s state-owned oil company, Petroleos de Venezuela (PDVSA).

In the Gulf of Mexico, which accounts for a quarter of total US oil output, 92 percent of crude and 83 percent of natural gas production were shut down due to Hurricane Katrina, which slammed Louisiana and Mississippi, according to US government data.

Venezuela is the fourth-largest provider of oil to the United States, supplying some 1.5 million barrels a day.

Last week, Chavez offered discount gasoline to poor Americans suffering from high oil prices and on Sunday offered free eye surgery for Americans without access to health care.

Hugo Chavez is a demon whats wrong with this guy?

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
He reads in his special bible that it’s ok to kill people. The guy is obviously a raving lunatic.

And besides, killing him would be much cheaper than prosecuting him.

I got your hatred for you right here, vroom.

Care to reconsider any of your other accusations in the face what what you buddy just said? [/quote]

What? It’s ok for this guy to call for the killing of an elected president? But it’s not ok to redicule his comment by electing him to be killed?

Most people read in their bible that it’s not ok to kill. But this “man of God” thinks that it is ok. Surely a “man of God” would read his bible before he made such a statement. Therefore it’s logicial that he would have read “thou can kill somebody if he really pisses you off” or anything of that nature. I didn’t say it was printed like that. I said he read it (or interpreted it) like that.

And don’t tell me he doesn’t represent the right. He does. He tells his followers to vote for Bush. With the tight margins that you have in recent elections, that means he wins elections for Bush. That’s why they aren’t really able to alienate him.

That, and because they probably really don’t want to.

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[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Okay. Let’s take an example of U.S. responsibility of genocide by proxy.
In 1975 East Timor was invaded by Indonesia. Ford and Kissenger were in Jakarta on dec. 5th. They asked Indonesia not to invade until they left because it would be too embarassing. On the 7th Indonesia invaded. For weeks they just indiscriminately slaughtered people.

Jose Ramos-Horta was the East timor representative to the U.N. He pleaded to the U.N. to do something about the acts of mureder. The U.N. reponded - like it usually does - with condemnation and sanctions. Eventually there were various watered down resolutions passed but the U.S. was clearly not going to let anything work.

Here is a quote from Daniel Patrick Moynihan(the U.S. representative) “The State Department desired that the U.N. prove utterly ineffective in whatever measures it undertook. This task was given to me and I carried it forward with no inconsiderable success.”

The Timorese fleed into the jungle by the thousands and the Indonesians set-up recieving camps for those who were waiving white flags. Those who were though to be part of the resistence or educated were killed. Some women were took by helicopter for use by the Indonesian army. They killed children and babies. However, their main strategy was stravation. By 78’ the church and other sources estimated 200,000 dead. And the U.S. backed it all the way. We provided about 90% of the arms. In 78’ they started to run out of weapons so the Carter Administration moved in and increased arms sales. Other countries were involved. Anyone who could make a buck was in there making sure Indonesia could kill more Timorese.

When the genocide reached it’s highest levels in 77’ 78’ the news coverage fell to zero. Before this there was hardly any coverage. And when it was covered it was from the point of view from the State Department or Indonesian generals. Never from a Timorese.

But at the same time the mass media spent an exhaustive time covering the genocide committed by Pol Pot.

You see there is no Western concern for atrocities, human rights abuses or aggresion if there is a profit to be made from them. Only from offical enemies does this country publicize the abuses.

It’s all part of the propaganda system done by government and corporations.

Relating more to the original post Venezuala sits on the most massive oil reserves outside the mid-east.[/quote]

Wouldn’t the blame for this fall on Indonesian President Suharto? Or is every bad thing any of our allies have ever done the fault of the US?

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[quote]Wreckless wrote:
And don’t tell me he doesn’t represent the right. He does. He tells his followers to vote for Bush. With the tight margins that you have in recent elections, that means he wins elections for Bush. That’s why they aren’t really able to alienate him.
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Some right-wing radicals my be represented by Robertson, but whether you believe it or not, he does not represent the right.

I especially like the way you seem to think the right wingf is a bunch of mind-numbed robots that can only follow directions. Your characterization of the right is wrong. But keep believing what you want whyile we win election after election.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Some right-wing radicals my be represented by Robertson, but whether you believe it or not, he does not represent the right.

I especially like the way you seem to think the right wingf is a bunch of mind-numbed robots that can only follow directions. Your characterization of the right is wrong. But keep believing what you want whyile we win election after election. [/quote]

Actually, rainjack, I’ll have to agree with you on this one.

Hopefully you’ll also agree with me that sometimes you have mischaracterized liberals yourself…

Finally, I hope you’ll also agree that everyone – left and right – is guilty of making the “enemy” look much more evil and dumb than it really is… It’s just the nature of politics.

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[quote]hspder wrote:
Finally, I hope you’ll also agree that everyone – left and right – is guilty of making the “enemy” look much more evil and dumb than it really is… It’s just the nature of politics.
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It’s the nature of the game.

For one to ignore that is just silly. That is my gripe.