wow it is amazing how things change when it is a different subject , I do not think many people hate Christians I think they hate hypocrisy . And IMO there is plenty hypocrisy in the Christian religion [/quote]
But, there is hypocrisy in every human being and in every organization run by human beings. So why would you, or anyone else expect more from Christians? We are flawed individuals, just like you.[/quote]
I have no problem with any one being human until they are trying to cram their hypocrisy down my throat. I do not expect more from the Christian religion, it is almost the contrary .[/quote]
No one is cramming anything down your throat. Has anyone tried to force you, or any of us to go to Church? No. You make your own choices and then you live with the consequences of those choices. At least that’s how it worked in a pre-obama world. Granted he’d like to force those of us who’ve made good choices to pay for bill for those who have made bad choices but that’s another topic.
wow it is amazing how things change when it is a different subject , I do not think many people hate Christians I think they hate hypocrisy . And IMO there is plenty hypocrisy in the Christian religion [/quote]
But, there is hypocrisy in every human being and in every organization run by human beings. So why would you, or anyone else expect more from Christians? We are flawed individuals, just like you.[/quote]
I have no problem with any one being human until they are trying to cram their hypocrisy down my throat. I do not expect more from the Christian religion, it is almost the contrary .[/quote]
No one is cramming anything down your throat. Has anyone tried to force you, or any of us to go to Church? No. You make your own choices and then you live with the consequences of those choices. At least that’s how it worked in a pre-obama world. Granted he’d like to force those of us who’ve made good choices to pay for bill for those who have made bad choices but that’s another topic.
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We are already paying for people’s medical bills that do not pay their own. So your whole reply is invalid
No not many. Jefferson and possibly Franklin. [/quote]
“Among the detestable villains that in any period of the world have disgraced the name of man, it is impossible to find a greater than Moses, if this account be true. Here is an order to butcher the boys, to massacre the mothers, and debauch the daughters. Let any mother put herself in the situation of those mothers; one child murdered, another destined to violation, and herself in the hands of an executioner; let any daughter put herself in the situation of those daughters, destined as a prey to the murderers of a mother and a brother, and what will be their feelings? It is in vain that we attempt to impose upon nature, for nature will have her course, and the religion that tortures all her social ties is a false religion.”
“The most detestable wickedness, the most horrid cruelties, and the greatest miseries that have afflicted the human race have had their origin in this thing called revelation, or revealed religion. It has been the most destructive to the peace of man since man began to exist. Among the most detestable villains in history, you could not find one worse than Moses, who gave an order to butcher the boys, to massacre the mothers and then rape the daughters. One of the most horrible atrocities found in the literature of any nation. I would not dishonor my Creator’s name by attaching it to this filthy book”
-Thomas Paine[/quote]
Wow, you’re a big boy! You found one of the few agnostic founders and quoted him. I won’t bother quoting all the references to God from the majority of founders as it would take too long. What are you going to do for an encore recite the alphabet?
wow it is amazing how things change when it is a different subject , I do not think many people hate Christians I think they hate hypocrisy . And IMO there is plenty hypocrisy in the Christian religion [/quote]
But, there is hypocrisy in every human being and in every organization run by human beings. So why would you, or anyone else expect more from Christians? We are flawed individuals, just like you.[/quote]
I have no problem with any one being human until they are trying to cram their hypocrisy down my throat. I do not expect more from the Christian religion, it is almost the contrary .[/quote]
No one is cramming anything down your throat. Has anyone tried to force you, or any of us to go to Church? No. You make your own choices and then you live with the consequences of those choices. At least that’s how it worked in a pre-obama world. Granted he’d like to force those of us who’ve made good choices to pay for bill for those who have made bad choices but that’s another topic.
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We are already paying for people’s medical bills that do not pay their own. So your whole reply is invalid [/quote]
No not many. Jefferson and possibly Franklin. [/quote]
“Among the detestable villains that in any period of the world have disgraced the name of man, it is impossible to find a greater than Moses, if this account be true. Here is an order to butcher the boys, to massacre the mothers, and debauch the daughters. Let any mother put herself in the situation of those mothers; one child murdered, another destined to violation, and herself in the hands of an executioner; let any daughter put herself in the situation of those daughters, destined as a prey to the murderers of a mother and a brother, and what will be their feelings? It is in vain that we attempt to impose upon nature, for nature will have her course, and the religion that tortures all her social ties is a false religion.”
“The most detestable wickedness, the most horrid cruelties, and the greatest miseries that have afflicted the human race have had their origin in this thing called revelation, or revealed religion. It has been the most destructive to the peace of man since man began to exist. Among the most detestable villains in history, you could not find one worse than Moses, who gave an order to butcher the boys, to massacre the mothers and then rape the daughters. One of the most horrible atrocities found in the literature of any nation. I would not dishonor my Creator’s name by attaching it to this filthy book”
-Thomas Paine[/quote]
Wow, you’re a big boy! You found one of the few agnostic founders and quoted him. I won’t bother quoting all the references to God from the majority of founders as it would take too long. What are you going to do for an encore recite the alphabet?[/quote]
Consider paying attention to the point I’m making.
Why should you be able to discount the beliefs of certain founding fathers and only focus on the ones you want to? ANd also SM said only Jefferson and maybe Franklin were non-Christians, which is untrue.
Absolutely. The majority of the founders were against slavery - even many who were slave owners. The constitution is an anti-slavery document. The three-fifths compromise was about represenative power in the U.S. HoR. The unalienable rights of all men of all faiths and creeds are proclamed in the declaration and the constitution.[/quote]
If they owned slaves, they clearly weren’t all that against slavery.
No not many. Jefferson and possibly Franklin. [/quote]
“Among the detestable villains that in any period of the world have disgraced the name of man, it is impossible to find a greater than Moses, if this account be true. Here is an order to butcher the boys, to massacre the mothers, and debauch the daughters. Let any mother put herself in the situation of those mothers; one child murdered, another destined to violation, and herself in the hands of an executioner; let any daughter put herself in the situation of those daughters, destined as a prey to the murderers of a mother and a brother, and what will be their feelings? It is in vain that we attempt to impose upon nature, for nature will have her course, and the religion that tortures all her social ties is a false religion.”
“The most detestable wickedness, the most horrid cruelties, and the greatest miseries that have afflicted the human race have had their origin in this thing called revelation, or revealed religion. It has been the most destructive to the peace of man since man began to exist. Among the most detestable villains in history, you could not find one worse than Moses, who gave an order to butcher the boys, to massacre the mothers and then rape the daughters. One of the most horrible atrocities found in the literature of any nation. I would not dishonor my Creator’s name by attaching it to this filthy book”
-Thomas Paine[/quote]
Wow, you’re a big boy! You found one of the few agnostic founders and quoted him. I won’t bother quoting all the references to God from the majority of founders as it would take too long. What are you going to do for an encore recite the alphabet?[/quote]
Consider paying attention to the point I’m making.
Why should you be able to discount the beliefs of certain founding fathers and only focus on the ones you want to? ANd also SM said only Jefferson and maybe Franklin were non-Christians, which is untrue.
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I’ll use the number system for you:
I don’t “discount” any of the founding father’s beliefs. However, it should be obvious even to you that somehow (MAGIC I TELL YOU!!) that this nation turned into a Christian nation. Are ya thinkin it wuz sum sorta coinky dinky? LOL
While the Christianity of some (a few get it? Not many) were in question just about every one of them believed in God.
Absolutely. The majority of the founders were against slavery - even many who were slave owners. The constitution is an anti-slavery document. The three-fifths compromise was about represenative power in the U.S. HoR. The unalienable rights of all men of all faiths and creeds are proclamed in the declaration and the constitution.[/quote]
If they owned slaves, they clearly weren’t all that against slavery.[/quote]
You are making the mistake that most lefty’s make when looking back on slavery. And that is you have the value of perspective, that is great distance between what we live today and what they lived for their entire lives. At the time many were against slavery but it was ingrained in the system. And many still spoke out against it and recieved threats and intimidation for their efforts.
But, no you don’t understand that. All you understand is (starry eyed look) “SLAVERY IS WRONG!”
I don’t “discount” any of the founding father’s beliefs. However, it should be obvious even to you that somehow (MAGIC I TELL YOU!!) that this nation turned into a Christian nation. Are ya thinkin it wuz sum sorta coinky dinky? LOL[/quote]
Okay, so then you admit it wasn’t the founding fathers intention to make the nation a Christian nation, it just so happens many of them happen to be Christian.
Also what is your barometer for determining that the US is a Christian nation?
[quote]ZEB wrote:
While the Christianity of some (a few get it? Not many) were in question just about every one of them believed in God.
You have no point run along.[/quote]
Great, but the point was it wasn’t necessarily the Christian god.
You are making the mistake that most lefty’s make when looking back on slavery. And that is you have the value of perspective, that is great distance between what we live today and what they lived for their entire lives. At the time many were against slavery but it was ingrained in the system. And many still spoke out against it and recieved threats and intimidation for their efforts. [/quote]
And the fact that they personally owned slaves would have me question how much conviction they actually had in those beliefs.
“I’m against prostitution but I fuck a prostitute everyday”
[quote]ZEB wrote:
But, no you don’t understand that. All you understand is (starry eyed look) “SLAVERY IS WRONG!”
Yeah no shit.[/quote]
Exactly, they’re a product of their time. So why worry about what any of them have to say when considering matters of today?
You are making the mistake that most lefty’s make when looking back on slavery. And that is you have the value of perspective, that is great distance between what we live today and what they lived for their entire lives. At the time many were against slavery but it was ingrained in the system. And many still spoke out against it and recieved threats and intimidation for their efforts. [/quote]
And the fact that they personally owned slaves would have me question how much conviction they actually had in those beliefs.
“I’m against prostitution but I fuck a prostitute everyday”
[quote]ZEB wrote:
But, no you don’t understand that. All you understand is (starry eyed look) “SLAVERY IS WRONG!”
Yeah no shit.[/quote]
Exactly, they’re a product of their time. So why worry about what any of them have to say when considering matters of today?[/quote]
And today the secularists support taking the lives of humans in the womb.
You are making the mistake that most lefty’s make when looking back on slavery. And that is you have the value of perspective, that is great distance between what we live today and what they lived for their entire lives. At the time many were against slavery but it was ingrained in the system. And many still spoke out against it and recieved threats and intimidation for their efforts. [/quote]
And the fact that they personally owned slaves would have me question how much conviction they actually had in those beliefs.
“I’m against prostitution but I fuck a prostitute everyday”
[quote]ZEB wrote:
But, no you don’t understand that. All you understand is (starry eyed look) “SLAVERY IS WRONG!”
Yeah no shit.[/quote]
Exactly, they’re a product of their time. So why worry about what any of them have to say when considering matters of today?[/quote]
And today the secularists support taking the lives of humans in the womb.
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So do many Christians. I agree it needs to be stopped
No not many. Jefferson and possibly Franklin. [/quote]
“Among the detestable villains that in any period of the world have disgraced the name of man, it is impossible to find a greater than Moses, if this account be true. Here is an order to butcher the boys, to massacre the mothers, and debauch the daughters. Let any mother put herself in the situation of those mothers; one child murdered, another destined to violation, and herself in the hands of an executioner; let any daughter put herself in the situation of those daughters, destined as a prey to the murderers of a mother and a brother, and what will be their feelings? It is in vain that we attempt to impose upon nature, for nature will have her course, and the religion that tortures all her social ties is a false religion.”
“The most detestable wickedness, the most horrid cruelties, and the greatest miseries that have afflicted the human race have had their origin in this thing called revelation, or revealed religion. It has been the most destructive to the peace of man since man began to exist. Among the most detestable villains in history, you could not find one worse than Moses, who gave an order to butcher the boys, to massacre the mothers and then rape the daughters. One of the most horrible atrocities found in the literature of any nation. I would not dishonor my Creator’s name by attaching it to this filthy book”
-Thomas Paine[/quote]
Isnt odd to look back at the innocence of a time where he thought that this was the worst one could do?
You are making the mistake that most lefty’s make when looking back on slavery. And that is you have the value of perspective, that is great distance between what we live today and what they lived for their entire lives. At the time many were against slavery but it was ingrained in the system. And many still spoke out against it and recieved threats and intimidation for their efforts. [/quote]
And the fact that they personally owned slaves would have me question how much conviction they actually had in those beliefs.
“I’m against prostitution but I fuck a prostitute everyday”
[quote]ZEB wrote:
But, no you don’t understand that. All you understand is (starry eyed look) “SLAVERY IS WRONG!”
Yeah no shit.[/quote]
Exactly, they’re a product of their time. So why worry about what any of them have to say when considering matters of today?[/quote]
And today the secularists support taking the lives of humans in the womb.
[/quote]
That does not even make sense.
Lets separate church and state ------> lets do some abortions!
Yay!
Kind of a shitty rallying call and rather divisive I would imagine…
You are making the mistake that most lefty’s make when looking back on slavery. And that is you have the value of perspective, that is great distance between what we live today and what they lived for their entire lives. At the time many were against slavery but it was ingrained in the system. And many still spoke out against it and recieved threats and intimidation for their efforts. [/quote]
And the fact that they personally owned slaves would have me question how much conviction they actually had in those beliefs.
“I’m against prostitution but I fuck a prostitute everyday”
[quote]ZEB wrote:
But, no you don’t understand that. All you understand is (starry eyed look) “SLAVERY IS WRONG!”
Yeah no shit.[/quote]
Exactly, they’re a product of their time. So why worry about what any of them have to say when considering matters of today?[/quote]
And today the secularists support taking the lives of humans in the womb.
[/quote]
Also in today’s news a bunch of men decided they should be able to tell a woman (ya know the one that has to carry and deliver) what she needs to do with her own body because of their moral opinion…
You are making the mistake that most lefty’s make when looking back on slavery. And that is you have the value of perspective, that is great distance between what we live today and what they lived for their entire lives. At the time many were against slavery but it was ingrained in the system. And many still spoke out against it and recieved threats and intimidation for their efforts. [/quote]
And the fact that they personally owned slaves would have me question how much conviction they actually had in those beliefs.
“I’m against prostitution but I fuck a prostitute everyday”
[quote]ZEB wrote:
But, no you don’t understand that. All you understand is (starry eyed look) “SLAVERY IS WRONG!”
Yeah no shit.[/quote]
Exactly, they’re a product of their time. So why worry about what any of them have to say when considering matters of today?[/quote]
And today the secularists support taking the lives of humans in the womb.
[/quote]
Also in today’s news a bunch of men decided they should be able to tell a woman (ya know the one that has to carry and deliver) what she needs to do with her own body because of their moral opinion…[/quote]
You are making the mistake that most lefty’s make when looking back on slavery. And that is you have the value of perspective, that is great distance between what we live today and what they lived for their entire lives. At the time many were against slavery but it was ingrained in the system. And many still spoke out against it and recieved threats and intimidation for their efforts. [/quote]
And the fact that they personally owned slaves would have me question how much conviction they actually had in those beliefs.
“I’m against prostitution but I fuck a prostitute everyday”
[quote]ZEB wrote:
But, no you don’t understand that. All you understand is (starry eyed look) “SLAVERY IS WRONG!”
Yeah no shit.[/quote]
Exactly, they’re a product of their time. So why worry about what any of them have to say when considering matters of today?[/quote]
And today the secularists support taking the lives of humans in the womb.
[/quote]
Also in today’s news a bunch of men decided they should be able to tell a woman (ya know the one that has to carry and deliver) what she needs to do with her own body because of their moral opinion…[/quote]
OMG you fucking liberal, next thing you know you will claim that freedom of religion is an individual’s choice not his boss’s or Church’s
Btw, this is a bogus stereotype of who is pro-life, or at least much closer to pro-life than ‘pro-choice.’ The pro-life position is basically identical among men and women.