[quote]Aragorn wrote:
Raj as I recall was a pretty big defender of Obama with that whole pastor thing. He’s swinging a mighty big hypocritical club here when he jumped up to defend Obama.
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You call recall wrong. I never participated in that thread.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
wow it is amazing how things change when it is a different subject , I do not think many people hate Christians I think they hate hypocrisy . And IMO there is plenty hypocrisy in the Christian religion [/quote]
But, there is hypocrisy in every human being and in every organization run by human beings. So why would you, or anyone else expect more from Christians? We are flawed individuals, just like you.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
At a Baton Rouge revival yesterday, the Republican presidential candidate was introduced and blessed by the fire-breathing pastor Dennis Terry. To a cheering crowd, Terry shouted that ours is a “Christian nation,” that “we don’t worship Buddha, we don’t worship Mohammad, we don’t worship Allah,” and that anyone who doesn’t like “the way we do things” should “get out.”
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I only listened to the first few minutes and granted he is an old time southern preacher. But over all I don’t see anything wrong with the guy from what I saw. You’d be surprised to know that more people believe in what he was saying (from what I heard) than what Obama’s Pastor Reverend Jermiah Wright had to say (“The white government gave blacks the HIV virus”). And as Sloth has correctly implied Obama attended that hate mongeror’s church for 20 years.
So what’s your point? [/quote]
Cool so if it’s a black preacher spewing hate we need to run him out of the country.
But if it’s a white preacher spewing the same hate we need to celebrate him and shout to the HEAVENS!!! [/quote]
Sorry, as I said I didn’t listen to the entire video. Perhaps you could tell me what hatred he was spreading? I know that Wright is a racist from what he’s said from the pulpit. Is this guy a racist as well? Please point out what he said because if that’s the case I would agree with you.[/quote]
As I stated someone that is not Christian gets up and makes those statements you guys would all be screaming and up in arms.
But a white preacher gets up and states that if you worship a different god then you need to get out?
There are many that love America and worship different Gods but I guess Zeb and SM would like for us all to be just alike. Why be any different?[/quote]
I guess you didn’t hear what he actually said. I think he said “If YOU don’t like it you can get out.” So, to me that means be whatever you want to be, but if you don’t like what we are get out.
“I’m going to worship Jesus Christ this Sunday if you don’t like it you can leave.”
“I’m going to say a prayer right now if you don’t like it don’t listen.”
He’s an old fashion odd dude to be certain. With that said however I’m still not seeing the hate.
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You know something I stand by what I observed and what I said.
If someone not inline with YOUR beliefs gets up and says those things about christians you guys woudld be all over this board screaming up and down.
Oh well, done wasting my breath here. Lets all be exactly alike cause that would make everything so wonderful :)[/quote]
First of all you see it that way because you’re not a Christian. I see it a different way because I am a Christian. Which one of us is correct? We each have our own perspective based largely upon our different beliefs.
If you do not believe what I believe and I say if you don’t like it (meaning my belief) you can leave that is reinforcing my own beliefs not attacking yours. You can be a muslim or a Hindu and have respect for others beliefs. And if so he would not be talking to those people. He was clearly addressing those who already hate Christians and Christianity.
It was very clear at least from my perspective.
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I’m sorry Zeb but…
EDIT: I had a much longer response but the more I thought the more I realized I don’t care.
But to make a personal attack, I thought higher of you than that.
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
At a Baton Rouge revival yesterday, the Republican presidential candidate was introduced and blessed by the fire-breathing pastor Dennis Terry. To a cheering crowd, Terry shouted that ours is a “Christian nation,” that “we don’t worship Buddha, we don’t worship Mohammad, we don’t worship Allah,” and that anyone who doesn’t like “the way we do things” should “get out.”
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I only listened to the first few minutes and granted he is an old time southern preacher. But over all I don’t see anything wrong with the guy from what I saw. You’d be surprised to know that more people believe in what he was saying (from what I heard) than what Obama’s Pastor Reverend Jermiah Wright had to say (“The white government gave blacks the HIV virus”). And as Sloth has correctly implied Obama attended that hate mongeror’s church for 20 years.
So what’s your point? [/quote]
Cool so if it’s a black preacher spewing hate we need to run him out of the country.
But if it’s a white preacher spewing the same hate we need to celebrate him and shout to the HEAVENS!!! [/quote]
Not at all. But I think if someone’s going to criticize and get very upset at Santorum then they’d better DAMN WELL get upset at pastor Wright and Obama for the same thing. Otherwise it’s just plain double standard partisanship.
Raj as I recall was a pretty big defender of Obama with that whole pastor thing. He’s swinging a mighty big hypocritical club here when he jumped up to defend Obama.
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I wasn’t getting upset, I felt the same way about Obama and the Rev Wright.
Who I voted for was questions immediately in this thread (which I think is pretty childish)
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
I’m sorry Zeb but…
EDIT: I had a much longer response but the more I thought the more I realized I don’t care.
But to make a personal attack, I thought higher of you than that.[/quote]
Well you’ve thrown me for a loop with that charge my friend. Are you sure you were reading my post?
Here it is again for you. Please point out where the personal attack exists:
[quote]First of all you see it that way because you’re not a Christian. I see it a different way because I am a Christian. Which one of us is correct? We each have our own perspective based largely upon our different beliefs.
If you do not believe what I believe and I say if you don’t like it (meaning my belief) you can leave that is reinforcing my own beliefs not attacking yours. You can be a muslim or a Hindu and have respect for others beliefs. And if so he would not be talking to those people. He was clearly addressing those who already hate Christians and Christianity.
It was very clear at least from my perspective.[/quote]
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
wow it is amazing how things change when it is a different subject , I do not think many people hate Christians I think they hate hypocrisy . And IMO there is plenty hypocrisy in the Christian religion [/quote]
But, there is hypocrisy in every human being and in every organization run by human beings. So why would you, or anyone else expect more from Christians? We are flawed individuals, just like you.[/quote]
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
I’m sorry Zeb but…
EDIT: I had a much longer response but the more I thought the more I realized I don’t care.
But to make a personal attack, I thought higher of you than that.[/quote]
Well you’ve thrown me for a loop with that charge my friend. Are you sure you were reading my post?
Here it is again for you. Please point out where the personal attack exists:
[quote]First of all you see it that way because you’re not a Christian. I see it a different way because I am a Christian. Which one of us is correct? We each have our own perspective based largely upon our different beliefs.
If you do not believe what I believe and I say if you don’t like it (meaning my belief) you can leave that is reinforcing my own beliefs not attacking yours. You can be a muslim or a Hindu and have respect for others beliefs. And if so he would not be talking to those people. He was clearly addressing those who already hate Christians and Christianity.
It was very clear at least from my perspective.[/quote]
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I’ve read your post and calling out my beliefs I take as a personal attack.
I think it would be best if we end this on the board at this point.
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
I’m sorry Zeb but…
EDIT: I had a much longer response but the more I thought the more I realized I don’t care.
But to make a personal attack, I thought higher of you than that.[/quote]
Well you’ve thrown me for a loop with that charge my friend. Are you sure you were reading my post?
Here it is again for you. Please point out where the personal attack exists:
[quote]First of all you see it that way because you’re not a Christian. I see it a different way because I am a Christian. Which one of us is correct? We each have our own perspective based largely upon our different beliefs.
If you do not believe what I believe and I say if you don’t like it (meaning my belief) you can leave that is reinforcing my own beliefs not attacking yours. You can be a muslim or a Hindu and have respect for others beliefs. And if so he would not be talking to those people. He was clearly addressing those who already hate Christians and Christianity.
It was very clear at least from my perspective.[/quote]
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I’ve read your post and calling out my beliefs I take as a personal attack.
I think it would be best if we end this on the board at this point.[/quote]
Didn’t you say you were a non Christian? And if you did why can’t I mention it?
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
I’m sorry Zeb but…
EDIT: I had a much longer response but the more I thought the more I realized I don’t care.
But to make a personal attack, I thought higher of you than that.[/quote]
Well you’ve thrown me for a loop with that charge my friend. Are you sure you were reading my post?
Here it is again for you. Please point out where the personal attack exists:
[quote]First of all you see it that way because you’re not a Christian. I see it a different way because I am a Christian. Which one of us is correct? We each have our own perspective based largely upon our different beliefs.
If you do not believe what I believe and I say if you don’t like it (meaning my belief) you can leave that is reinforcing my own beliefs not attacking yours. You can be a muslim or a Hindu and have respect for others beliefs. And if so he would not be talking to those people. He was clearly addressing those who already hate Christians and Christianity.
It was very clear at least from my perspective.[/quote]
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I’ve read your post and calling out my beliefs I take as a personal attack.
I think it would be best if we end this on the board at this point.[/quote]
Didn’t you say you were a non Christian? And if you did why can’t I mention it?
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There are a couple of things I’ve never broadcast on here.
My religious affiliation
Polital affiliation
and who I vote for (i revealed in this thread for SM)
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Many of the Founders were Deists,
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No not many. Jefferson and possibly Franklin.
And they were free to do so.
‘Without supporting revealed religion, Jefferson subscribed to the moral teachings of Jesus. He stated this belief explicitly in a letter to John Adams in which he wrote that the moral code of Jesus was “the most sublime and benevolent code of morals which has ever been offered to man.” Jefferson even made a collection of Jesus’ moral teachings from the Bible which seemed to be in their original simplicity. He used this collection as an ethical guide to his own life.’
Smart man Jefferson.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
And honestly even if they wanted the US to be a Christian Nation (not saying they did) how relevant is their opinion today?
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The constitution is covenant. It has brought more freedom and prosperity for more people than any other constitution in the history of mankind. Given the sacrifices that so many have made for the country, who has the right to break that covenant? And what will that covenant be replaced with?
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What about their opinions on other subjects? Should their opinions on slavery be reinforced as well?[/quote]
Absolutely. The majority of the founders were against slavery - even many who were slave owners. The constitution is an anti-slavery document. The three-fifths compromise was about represenative power in the U.S. HoR. The unalienable rights of all men of all faiths and creeds are proclamed in the declaration and the constitution.
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
I’m sorry Zeb but…
EDIT: I had a much longer response but the more I thought the more I realized I don’t care.
But to make a personal attack, I thought higher of you than that.[/quote]
Well you’ve thrown me for a loop with that charge my friend. Are you sure you were reading my post?
Here it is again for you. Please point out where the personal attack exists:
[quote]First of all you see it that way because you’re not a Christian. I see it a different way because I am a Christian. Which one of us is correct? We each have our own perspective based largely upon our different beliefs.
If you do not believe what I believe and I say if you don’t like it (meaning my belief) you can leave that is reinforcing my own beliefs not attacking yours. You can be a muslim or a Hindu and have respect for others beliefs. And if so he would not be talking to those people. He was clearly addressing those who already hate Christians and Christianity.
It was very clear at least from my perspective.[/quote]
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I’ve read your post and calling out my beliefs I take as a personal attack.
I think it would be best if we end this on the board at this point.[/quote]
Didn’t you say you were a non Christian? And if you did why can’t I mention it?
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There are a couple of things I’ve never broadcast on here.
My religious affiliation
Polital affiliation
and who I vote for (i revealed in this thread for SM)[/quote]
But you did say this in a post on this thread while speaking to me:
Not at all unreasonable to assume that you are not a Christian from this one sentence.
Anyway…How you could be offended by my assuming that you were not a Christian is well beyond my socpe of understanding.
You might want to grow a thicker skin, or perhaps be very careful what you reveal while debating your point.
Have a good night
Zeb
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
I’m sorry Zeb but…
EDIT: I had a much longer response but the more I thought the more I realized I don’t care.
But to make a personal attack, I thought higher of you than that.[/quote]
Well you’ve thrown me for a loop with that charge my friend. Are you sure you were reading my post?
Here it is again for you. Please point out where the personal attack exists:
[quote]First of all you see it that way because you’re not a Christian. I see it a different way because I am a Christian. Which one of us is correct? We each have our own perspective based largely upon our different beliefs.
If you do not believe what I believe and I say if you don’t like it (meaning my belief) you can leave that is reinforcing my own beliefs not attacking yours. You can be a muslim or a Hindu and have respect for others beliefs. And if so he would not be talking to those people. He was clearly addressing those who already hate Christians and Christianity.
It was very clear at least from my perspective.[/quote]
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I’ve read your post and calling out my beliefs I take as a personal attack.
I think it would be best if we end this on the board at this point.[/quote]
Didn’t you say you were a non Christian? And if you did why can’t I mention it?
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There are a couple of things I’ve never broadcast on here.
My religious affiliation
Polital affiliation
and who I vote for (i revealed in this thread for SM)[/quote]
That was sloth. And you inadvertently revealed something about your beliefs/lack of yourself. No one exposed you. And no one launched any personal attacks on you. The constitution guarantees religious liberty and there is no compulsion in Christianity. That doesn’t negate the Judeo-Christian character of society’s institutions nor support the notion that those institutions should be fundamentally transformed. And into what? What will replace it?
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
I’m sorry Zeb but…
EDIT: I had a much longer response but the more I thought the more I realized I don’t care.
But to make a personal attack, I thought higher of you than that.[/quote]
Well you’ve thrown me for a loop with that charge my friend. Are you sure you were reading my post?
Here it is again for you. Please point out where the personal attack exists:
[quote]First of all you see it that way because you’re not a Christian. I see it a different way because I am a Christian. Which one of us is correct? We each have our own perspective based largely upon our different beliefs.
If you do not believe what I believe and I say if you don’t like it (meaning my belief) you can leave that is reinforcing my own beliefs not attacking yours. You can be a muslim or a Hindu and have respect for others beliefs. And if so he would not be talking to those people. He was clearly addressing those who already hate Christians and Christianity.
It was very clear at least from my perspective.[/quote]
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I’ve read your post and calling out my beliefs I take as a personal attack.
I think it would be best if we end this on the board at this point.[/quote]
Didn’t you say you were a non Christian? And if you did why can’t I mention it?
[/quote]
There are a couple of things I’ve never broadcast on here.
My religious affiliation
Polital affiliation
and who I vote for (i revealed in this thread for SM)[/quote]
But you did say this in a post on this thread while speaking to me:
Not at all unreasonable to assume that you are not a Christian from this one sentence.
Anyway…How you could be offended by my assuming that you were not a Christian is well beyond my socpe of understanding.
You might want to grow a thicker skin, or perhaps be very careful what you reveal while debating your point.
Have a good night
Zeb
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Well Zeb I’ll chalk it up to maybe I was raised a little differently and attended a different church growing up.
As for this thread and the Rev Dennis Terry, I don’t agree with his brand or how he conducts himself. And thats to say any church I’ve ever been in I’ve never heard a priest or pastor say if you don’t worship the same god you can “GET OUT”.
So maybe I think I should do what the great Rev suggested and GET OUT!!!
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
That was sloth. And you inadvertently revealed something about your beliefs/lack of yourself. No one exposed you. And no one launched any personal attacks on you. The constitution guarantees religious liberty and there is no compulsion in Christianity. That doesn’t negate the Judeo-Christian character of society’s institutions nor support the notion that those institutions should be fundamentally transformed. And into what? What will replace it?[/quote]
Sorry SM not you it was Sloth, it the madness of quote walls you lose track at times.
Have a good day.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
wow it is amazing how things change when it is a different subject , I do not think many people hate Christians I think they hate hypocrisy . And IMO there is plenty hypocrisy in the Christian religion [/quote]
But, there is hypocrisy in every human being and in every organization run by human beings. So why would you, or anyone else expect more from Christians? We are flawed individuals, just like you.[/quote]
I have no problem with any one being human until they are trying to cram their hypocrisy down my throat. I do not expect more from the Christian religion, it is almost the contrary .
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
wow it is amazing how things change when it is a different subject , I do not think many people hate Christians I think they hate hypocrisy . And IMO there is plenty hypocrisy in the Christian religion [/quote]
But, there is hypocrisy in every human being and in every organization run by human beings. So why would you, or anyone else expect more from Christians? We are flawed individuals, just like you.[/quote]
I have no problem with any one being human until they are trying to cram their hypocrisy down my throat. I do not expect more from the Christian religion, it is almost the contrary .[/quote]
No one is cramming anything down your throat. Has anyone tried to force you, or any of us to go to Church? No. You make your own choices and then you live with the consequences of those choices. At least that’s how it worked in a pre-obama world. Granted he’d like to force those of us who’ve made good choices to pay for bill for those who have made bad choices but that’s another topic.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Smart man Jefferson.
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“The Christian god can easily be pictured as virtually the same god as the many ancient gods of past civilizations. The Christian god is a three headed monster; cruel, vengeful and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this raging, three headed beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber of people who say they serve him. They are always of two classes: fools and hypocrites.”
""History I believe furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose. "
“I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology.”
He sure was
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
The majority of the founders were against slavery - even many who were slave owners. [/quote]
But here’s the point. You can make an argument that slavery should be legal today because some of the founding fathers thought it should be.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
No not many. Jefferson and possibly Franklin. [/quote]
“Among the detestable villains that in any period of the world have disgraced the name of man, it is impossible to find a greater than Moses, if this account be true. Here is an order to butcher the boys, to massacre the mothers, and debauch the daughters. Let any mother put herself in the situation of those mothers; one child murdered, another destined to violation, and herself in the hands of an executioner; let any daughter put herself in the situation of those daughters, destined as a prey to the murderers of a mother and a brother, and what will be their feelings? It is in vain that we attempt to impose upon nature, for nature will have her course, and the religion that tortures all her social ties is a false religion.”
“The most detestable wickedness, the most horrid cruelties, and the greatest miseries that have afflicted the human race have had their origin in this thing called revelation, or revealed religion. It has been the most destructive to the peace of man since man began to exist. Among the most detestable villains in history, you could not find one worse than Moses, who gave an order to butcher the boys, to massacre the mothers and then rape the daughters. One of the most horrible atrocities found in the literature of any nation. I would not dishonor my Creator’s name by attaching it to this filthy book”
-Thomas Paine