Well, it’s been an interesting day in Europe.
First, a knife wielding attacker shouting “this is for Syria” stabs three in the UK:
Then, a Jordanian man with a US passport tries to force the cockpit door of the Lufthansa flight from Frankfurt to Belgrade but was restrained by members of a handball team.
Fortunately, handball players tend to be over six feet tall and well over 200 pounds.
Purely coincidental I suppose (sarcasm)
[quote]Darnell Becker wrote:
[quote]loppar wrote:
First, a knife wielding attacker shouting “this is for Syria” stabs three in the UK:
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Wouldn’t a gun be more effective? Who goes around stabbing people when a gun can do the job way more effectively?
Oh right. London.
Well if law abiding citizens were carrying they could have shot the evil doer.
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Not just London.
[quote]Darnell Becker wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
The GAO review found that more than 4,500 people were awarded asylum in 2014 despite being associated with lawyers or document preparers arrested that same year in an immigration fraud investigation in New York.[/i]
Sorry, but I don’t believe this. Bistrolita has assured me thorough vetting is taking place in all instances and…he knows stuff.
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Asylum seekers are not refugees. The latter status is conferred by the UNHCR. The designated refugees are then vetted extensively by the intelligence community. The process took two years before the Paris attacks. The link Chushin provided concerns illegal immigrants who are requesting political asylum.
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I am not concerned about the refugees as much as some others may be. What’s at issue in my book is why regional players are not taking in or playing any role in helping the people of their region. There is plenty of money and space in the Gulf States. There is no language barrier or cultural barrier, at least not to the extent it is for Europe and the U.S. I say we demand the regional states take in these refugees and if their are still refugees left, the U.S. can go ahead and pitch in and help. Europe and the U.S. should not the the first and second choices for Syrian refugees. We should be the last resort when Qatar, Oman, UAE, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt has done all they could.
The majority of these refugees are muslims and other muslims in their region are turning their backs on them. They should be ashamed, but they have no shame, they are all just assholes.[/quote]
Taken from another forum. Someone else wrote this, and I agree. Food for thought.
"Non-democratic countries are not equipped to handle refugees, either culturally or economically.
The Gulf states have plenty of oil money, but they also already have plenty of low wage domestic workers and imported workers from Asia and they also have plenty of domestic workers with high skills and degrees. And from a cultural standpoint, you should know by now that ethnic and interreligious strife in the Middle East dwarfs anything comparable in Europe. If one of the Muslim states did accept them, it would be a disaster like Lebanon has been over the past 40 years. Just because they are all Muslim doesn’t mean it’s going to be Kumbaya when they get there. So consequently a country like Iran taking in these refugees would be pure charity with little economic benefit and would create cultural problems that never existed before.
Democratic countries are different for the exact reason Gulf states couldn’t handle them. Sweden needs low wage workers, they need the demographic increases the Syrian immigrants can provide, they will benefit from refugees who will produce kids who thrive in a democratic society. That’s similar to what Muslim immigrants have done in the United States and Germany. Do you really think Sweden is accepting these refugees out of the kindness of their hearts, as a pure welfare block, with no economic benefit to their country?
And as far as the cultural aspect goes, there are not enough of refugees being taken in to cause the demographic shifts that would cause that kind of strife. The small percentage of immigrants combined with exposure to social democratic society like Sweden or a classically liberal society like the United States ensures those problems don’t arise. It could be argued that there are exceptions to this rule, like France. But France has a bunch of baggage related to Algeria, Mali, and other Muslim countries that places like Germany do not."
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Don’t give a shit about their culture, political system or anything else. They take on refugees or they face embargo’s. I don’t have the time, the patience or the ‘give a fuck’ to understand their draconian whabbi asses. This is their problem, more than it’s ours, they need to pucker up.
[quote]Darnell Becker wrote:
Let me ask you guys this, let’s say you’re out in the florest blowing up deers or something before Obummer takes your gun and you hear a kid crying.
Let’s say the kid fell down into a well and can’t get out. What do you do?
Do you help him?
Or do you think “Fuck him, his parents should be the ones looking out for him. How is he my responsability”?
Do you go like “Hell that kid looks moorish, if I help him out he may blow up mah house one day”.
Do you let the kid rot in well?
What do you do?[/quote]
You tell the guy proposing the hypothetical to stick it up his ass. It has no basis in reality.
[quote]Darnell Becker wrote:
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]Darnell Becker wrote:
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]Darnell Becker wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
First, WTF is 'Murica?
Second, no, you don’t get it, and WTF are you talking about? You should ignore those voices in your head when posting.
Third, nothing to agree about disagreeing about. Your “point” is stupid.
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Well then, lets agree that u dont know what the hell youre talking about. U seem to lack the understanding of such matters on a fundamental level so it doesnt surprise me that u find what u do not comprehend to be stupid.
Me:1+1=2
Shushit: well thats stupid.
Tell u what, stfu and gtfo.
Get yourself some information before discuss this matters with people with more knowledge than u.
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Ironic give the acronyms and prolific use of “u”. Try to be less combative and lay out a reasoned argument. [/quote]
Posting from my phone, mmmkay.[/quote]
As am I, yet you don’t see me shooting ad hominems from the hip and writing like a prepubescent teenage girl while I insult the intelligence of others.[/quote]
No, but I do see you write like a pretentious, self important little prick.
My use of “u” disappears when I use my laptop. Your smugness is eternal.
Listen, you’re one of the few posters here who is actually rational, so I don’t mean to be hostile towards you.
But, you drew first blood. You want a war, I’ll give you a war you won’t believe.
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Watch out Biz, he’s coming to get ya!!
[quote]Bismark wrote:
The GCC states want to have thier cake and eat it too. That is, they want Assad out of power, they want to free ride on the anti-ISIL coalition, and they don’t want to resettle any refugees. That needs to change. The west can’t be expected to restyle 4 million + Syrian refugees. [/quote]
I agree. That’s why I would sign an agreement with Russia that they can have Syria provided they take care of ISIS first and let us secure our assets and safely remove them. Russia is way more committed than we are in Syria. I don’t see a way we get what we want here.
We’ll take care of Iraq.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Bismark wrote:
The GCC states want to have thier cake and eat it too. That is, they want Assad out of power, they want to free ride on the anti-ISIL coalition, and they don’t want to resettle any refugees. That needs to change. The west can’t be expected to restyle 4 million + Syrian refugees. [/quote]
I agree. That’s why I would sign an agreement with Russia that they can have Syria provided they take care of ISIS first and let us secure our assets and safely remove them. Russia is way more committed than we are in Syria. I don’t see a way we get what we want here.
We’ll take care of Iraq.[/quote]
Not at this point, with our president. Putin would assume the upper hand and have our prez begging for scraps. The news conference would be why paying $12.00/gallon for gas is great for the economy.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Bismark wrote:
The GCC states want to have thier cake and eat it too. That is, they want Assad out of power, they want to free ride on the anti-ISIL coalition, and they don’t want to resettle any refugees. That needs to change. The west can’t be expected to restyle 4 million + Syrian refugees. [/quote]
I agree. That’s why I would sign an agreement with Russia that they can have Syria provided they take care of ISIS first and let us secure our assets and safely remove them. Russia is way more committed than we are in Syria. I don’t see a way we get what we want here.
We’ll take care of Iraq.[/quote]
Not at this point, with our president. Putin would assume the upper hand and have our prez begging for scraps. The news conference would be why paying $12.00/gallon for gas is great for the economy.[/quote]
You make a very valid point here.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Darnell Becker wrote:
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]Darnell Becker wrote:
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]Darnell Becker wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
First, WTF is 'Murica?
Second, no, you don’t get it, and WTF are you talking about? You should ignore those voices in your head when posting.
Third, nothing to agree about disagreeing about. Your “point” is stupid.
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Well then, lets agree that u dont know what the hell youre talking about. U seem to lack the understanding of such matters on a fundamental level so it doesnt surprise me that u find what u do not comprehend to be stupid.
Me:1+1=2
Shushit: well thats stupid.
Tell u what, stfu and gtfo.
Get yourself some information before discuss this matters with people with more knowledge than u.
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Ironic give the acronyms and prolific use of “u”. Try to be less combative and lay out a reasoned argument. [/quote]
Posting from my phone, mmmkay.[/quote]
As am I, yet you don’t see me shooting ad hominems from the hip and writing like a prepubescent teenage girl while I insult the intelligence of others.[/quote]
No, but I do see you write like a pretentious, self important little prick.
My use of “u” disappears when I use my laptop. Your smugness is eternal.
Listen, you’re one of the few posters here who is actually rational, so I don’t mean to be hostile towards you.
But, you drew first blood. You want a war, I’ll give you a war you won’t believe.
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Watch out Biz, he’s coming to get ya!!
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I got a kick outta, “You want a war, I’ll give you a war you won’t believe.”
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I know, who the hell says that… lol
[quote]pushharder wrote:
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Darnell?[/quote]
Tribunaldude?
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
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Darnell?[/quote]
Tribunaldude?[/quote]
Who’s the guy who uses Tribunaldude’s old avatar? Thought that was him.
The remaining piece of shit terrorist from the Paris attacks has been wounded and captured.
