Paris Attacks

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[quote]idaho wrote:
I have a lot of experience dealing with Sunnis and Shiites, Kurd’s,Turks, and Turkomen. During all this time, working with various elements, I have NEVER heard a member of the Muslin faith actually condemn a terrorist attack against Westerners. [/quote]

Interestingly, I just read an article about the press in Egypt who are actually condemning the Western news media and international community because they made such a big deal about the Paris attacks but did not seem to care about ISIS attacks in Lebanon or Baghdad. The Egyptian media claims the muslim lives are worth less in Western eyes, which is certainly not the case. I think it has more to do with what you have stated above, actually. What are your thoughts on this?

cool, here’s the article:

What’s everyone’s take on this?

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
Yes. Yes. YES!

Paris Carnage: How The West Will Respond

The West Has Lost the Will to Live

Great articles Push!

So the French responded. Just like the outraged Jordanians responded. They dropped 20 bombs on warehouses & buildings destroying a jihadi training camp and a munitions dump in Raqqa the capital of ISIS’s so-called caliphate.

20 bombs?

20 bombs?

How about 20,000 bombs?

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[quote]MattyG35 wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:
Modern Japanese have adopted the view that they were the victims and America was the big bad aggressor and they really just didn’t deserve what they got. And they’ve created an entire educational and societal infrastructure that serves to indoctrinate this belief in them from the earliest age under the guise of “peace.” It’s extremely frustrating to watch and I could go into it very deeply (as we have here a few times before) but it would involve a HUGE thread derail so I’ll leave it at this for now. [/quote]

Would you mind starting a thread about this?
I don’t have any specific questions, but would like to be more informed.[/quote]

Sure, problem is, I’m flying back to Japan in the morning, so I won’t be able to do anything about it for a couple of days. Probably be better for me to start it after I’m back home and settled. I’ll try and start one then, if I can at least get my OLD friend Chushin to participate. Maybe Varq, too, if I can entice him back to this site. We all actually just got started on this topic last night, believe it or not, in a different forum.

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:

[quote]idaho wrote:
I have a lot of experience dealing with Sunnis and Shiites, Kurd’s,Turks, and Turkomen. During all this time, working with various elements, I have NEVER heard a member of the Muslin faith actually condemn a terrorist attack against Westerners. [/quote]

Interestingly, I just read an article about the press in Egypt who are actually condemning the Western news media and international community because they made such a big deal about the Paris attacks but did not seem to care about ISIS attacks in Lebanon or Baghdad. The Egyptian media claims the muslim lives are worth less in Western eyes, which is certainly not the case. I think it has more to do with what you have stated above, actually. What are your thoughts on this?

cool, here’s the article:

What’s everyone’s take on this?
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People have unfortunately become desensitized to terrorism in the Middle East. We have come to expect barbaric acts in that region, but not in the heart of Western civilization.

Every state with a Muslim majority population condemned the attack in the strongest terms. Interestingly enough, even major militant groups did. The Secretary-General of Hezbollah strongly condemned the attacks as “barbaric”. Statements of condemnation were also issued by Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and Jaysh al-Islam.

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Auudrey Cronin Kurth, a preeminent scholar of terrorism, presents an interesting perspective.

Feeling Heightened Pressure, ISIS Apparently Broadens Strategy Of Spectacle

CRONIN:So this switch toward [international] terrorism, is I think a sign of their weakness . . . they’ve had a couple of setbacks lately. They’ve lost Sinjar. There was also the killing of Jihadi John. And I think that ISIS is feeling that they need to regain the momentum, that they need to capture people’s attention, and they see themselves as using terrorism in order to do that. So they’ve extended their reach. They’ve engaged in terrorism now in Paris, but they’ve also killed people with suicide bombings in Turkey. They’ve attacked people in Lebanon, particularly areas controlled by Hezbollah. They apparently took down the Russian airliner in Egypt. And of course now we have France. So this is a sign of a shift in their broader strategy. And I think it’s a sign that they’re feeling some pressure from what the Western end local regional allies are doing. And I think it has - it’s a reason for us to pause and to think about how that strategy is changing.

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[quote]idaho wrote:

Do you see the mindset here? The deaths of Westerners does not even register, because, they are unclean. The religion first, everything else means nothing.

AFN is broadcasting the Sunday night football game this morning. I am waiting on a helio in a hanger with the game starting. I see the band came out on the field with a French flag to honor the dead. Then scenes were shown of various cities around the States honoring the dead with the French colors on buildings, etc. Has the Gulf Sates done the same? or any Arab nation? If so, I would be shocked.

This is a long winded version of saying this: IMHO, until the Arab States wake and realize that ISIS or any any other extremist group is a severe threat to their way of life, then nothing will ever be resolved.

Now, I am honest enough to admit, I have a very limited view based on my experience, but, in simple terms, I don’t believe it will ever happen because, the life of a infidel is worth nothing. Just my 2 cents. [/quote]

This is exactly the mindset I’ve encountered working in the Gulf Stated, the only notable exception being Iran. Occasionally, some Western educated Saudi may pay lip service to the concept by claiming that “terrorism has no religion” (blanket term used to describe primarily atheists and shias) followed by a not-so-subtle rant against some perceived agression against them by the West, from pork served in school cafeterias to gay rights.

By the way, 92% of Saudis support ISIS action according to one of the most recent polls.

Until the root of the cause is addressed - Saudis and Qataris who are the main financiers and sponsors of these creeps, all the “victories” are pretty hollow.

For example, everyone is alleging that killing the “Jihadi John” characted was a significant blow for ISIS. In fact, he was some retard from Hampshire. A despicable, disgusting asshole, but a retard nevertheless.

And there are thousands like him in ghettos and suburbs all over Europe - stupid, young, sexually frustrated Arabs, usually with a history of petty theft and/or substance abuse. Perfectly suited for nasty Saudi funded preachers of hate.

For example, Molenbeek, a single lower middle class suburb of Brussels, a stone throw from all the major EU institutions has provided between 200 and 500 ISIS recruits.

So to reiterate once again, the problem has to addressed at the source.

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[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:
Modern Japanese have adopted the view that they were the victims and America was the big bad aggressor and they really just didn’t deserve what they got. And they’ve created an entire educational and societal infrastructure that serves to indoctrinate this belief in them from the earliest age under the guise of “peace.” It’s extremely frustrating to watch and I could go into it very deeply (as we have here a few times before) but it would involve a HUGE thread derail so I’ll leave it at this for now. [/quote]

Would you mind starting a thread about this?
I don’t have any specific questions, but would like to be more informed.[/quote]

Sure, problem is, I’m flying back to Japan in the morning, so I won’t be able to do anything about it for a couple of days. Probably be better for me to start it after I’m back home and settled. I’ll try and start one then, if I can at least get my OLD friend Chushin to participate. Maybe Varq, too, if I can entice him back to this site. We all actually just got started on this topic last night, believe it or not, in a different forum. [/quote]

Cool man, that would be much appreciated.
I don’t think pms work, would you mind emailing me that forum, so I can check it out?
My name (at) hotmail.com

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[quote]loppar wrote:

[quote]idaho wrote:

Do you see the mindset here? The deaths of Westerners does not even register, because, they are unclean. The religion first, everything else means nothing.

AFN is broadcasting the Sunday night football game this morning. I am waiting on a helio in a hanger with the game starting. I see the band came out on the field with a French flag to honor the dead. Then scenes were shown of various cities around the States honoring the dead with the French colors on buildings, etc. Has the Gulf Sates done the same? or any Arab nation? If so, I would be shocked.

This is a long winded version of saying this: IMHO, until the Arab States wake and realize that ISIS or any any other extremist group is a severe threat to their way of life, then nothing will ever be resolved.

Now, I am honest enough to admit, I have a very limited view based on my experience, but, in simple terms, I don’t believe it will ever happen because, the life of a infidel is worth nothing. Just my 2 cents. [/quote]

This is exactly the mindset I’ve encountered working in the Gulf Stated, the only notable exception being Iran. Occasionally, some Western educated Saudi may pay lip service to the concept by claiming that “terrorism has no religion” (blanket term used to describe primarily atheists and shias) followed by a not-so-subtle rant against some perceived agression against them by the West, from pork served in school cafeterias to gay rights.

By the way, 92% of Saudis support ISIS action according to one of the most recent polls.

Until the root of the cause is addressed - Saudis and Qataris who are the main financiers and sponsors of these creeps, all the “victories” are pretty hollow.

For example, everyone is alleging that killing the “Jihadi John” characted was a significant blow for ISIS. In fact, he was some retard from Hampshire. A despicable, disgusting asshole, but a retard nevertheless.

And there are thousands like him in ghettos and suburbs all over Europe - stupid, young, sexually frustrated Arabs, usually with a history of petty theft and/or substance abuse. Perfectly suited for nasty Saudi funded preachers of hate.

For example, Molenbeek, a single lower middle class suburb of Brussels, a stone throw from all the major EU institutions has provided between 200 and 500 ISIS recruits.

So to reiterate once again, the problem has to addressed at the source.[/quote]

And then you’ll hear “but Islam is the religion of peace.”, or “I thought you cared about freedom of expression/religion?”.

I think it will be interesting to see how France responds to the mosques where they preach their hate of the West.

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The contrast I see between this event and the related (yes, apparently same crew of Muslim radicals) foiled train attack is the response of the victims.

By now, every self-defense class teaches women/kids not to “get into the vehicle” but rather fight/run immediately. The same mentality applies here.

DON’T obey the attackers. You will be taken off and methodically killed.

The proper response in this (or a school shooting or whatever) is to ATTACK EN MASSE. Don’t huddle, don’t lay on the floor, CHARGE OR RUN. Yeah, someone is going to get killed, and that someone is probably you, but you are GOING TO DIE ANYWAY.

Either get off the X or get on top of it. Don’t cower.

Easier said than done, I know, but I’ve fought these guys and they don’t know how to handle a frontal assault/charge. They have mentally prepared themselves to believe we are cowards. If you just fucking go at them, they panic and you get to kill them.

And yes, you are probably going to die. You will certainly die if you kneel. You will die on your feet, this way. Better than kneeling.

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Anonymous Threatens ISIS With “Major Cyber Attacks” Following Paris Terror Tragedy

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[quote]MattyG35 wrote:

I think it will be interesting to see how France responds to the mosques where they preach their hate of the West.[/quote]

In my opinion, they should be arrested, or deported and once deported, targeted with drone strikes.

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thethirdruffian
i agree with you totally most mass shooters ,terrorist seem to be cowards [not all]
when attacked they kill themselves,one of the recent mass shooters in u.s. ranted about mass shooters killing themselves when the police show up ,then he did same thing, shot himself

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[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
The contrast I see between this event and the related (yes, apparently same crew of Muslim radicals) foiled train attack is the response of the victims.

By now, every self-defense class teaches women/kids not to “get into the vehicle” but rather fight/run immediately. The same mentality applies here.

DON’T obey the attackers. You will be taken off and methodically killed.

The proper response in this (or a school shooting or whatever) is to ATTACK EN MASSE. Don’t huddle, don’t lay on the floor, CHARGE OR RUN. Yeah, someone is going to get killed, and that someone is probably you, but you are GOING TO DIE ANYWAY.

Either get off the X or get on top of it. Don’t cower.

Easier said than done, I know, but I’ve fought these guys and they don’t know how to handle a frontal assault/charge. They have mentally prepared themselves to believe we are cowards. If you just fucking go at them, they panic and you get to kill them.

And yes, you are probably going to die. You will certainly die if you kneel. You will die on your feet, this way. Better than kneeling.[/quote]

Yes, exactly. The problem is that this does require group action, and that is a difficult thing to get moving in the moment. Everybody else is going to be ducking and covering – as you know, this is a totally natural gut reaction for someone who, with no training or mental preparation, is suddenly taking fire – so no single resister is going to have a great chance of success.

What we need is for people to be drilled with this in the same way that they all know to stop, drop, and roll in case they’re on fire. If you’re in a room and a gunman enters, you rush and trample him immediately, without thinking, without hesitating, and as one enormous organism. (Unless you’re in a bank and the guy doesn’t seem like an Islamic extremist – then you just sit down and let him steal the bank’s money.) If you’re quick enough you may even turn him to meat-paste before he can blow a suicide vest.

Or, depending on where you are in America, pull out a sidearm and put a bullet between his rabid little eyes.

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[quote]loppar wrote:
Saudis and Qataris who are the main financiers and sponsors of these creeps, all the “victories” are pretty hollow.
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It’s amazing we cant shut this shit down. These governments are either fighting terror with boots on the ground, or theyre part of the problem and need to be bombed. If these governments wanted to end terrorism it would be stopped. They know exactly who/where everyone is.

Who buys oil from isis? They need to be killed.

Genuinely curious question. Did any muslim nations light up their monuments in French colors?

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Much needed.

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It’s nice to see everyone change their Facebook accounts to French colors. But in two weeks, Americans will be back to Twitter, football and porn. Take our porn or college football away, we will crush ISIS by Christmas.

I’m halfway serious.

Americans are so ignorant, it’s a disgrace. No sense of history or national identity, only care about who Kate Upton is screwing, racism and when are we going to bake cakes for gay couples. We are bitching about the minimum wage, and our enemies are planning maximum carnage.