Paper AAS, Intro. and Explanation

Pharma
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[quote]T-Matt wrote:
I just want some answers or, at the very least, the bullshit hearsay shit to fucking stop. We are all in this together… This is fucking T-Nation… We don’t talk shit about our fellow men. We find out the truth (if one exists), live out it out, and help each other out when needed. We are all here for our own reasons. Anyone who reads T-Nation on a regular basis has to consider himself above average. If we’re going to hold ourselves up to a higher standard, we can’t be pointing fingers and talking shit about the mom and pop companies who supply us with ‘research chemicals.’ Shit, most of you guys know DAMN WELL, that if it were not for these mom and pop companies you’d all have either a BAD case of gyno or testes the size of raisins… So, let’s all just remember why we’re really here…

T-M@tt

Read that one more time… Therein lies my point…

Look, we could sit here all day and say he said you suck but this other guy says you’re great and blah blah blah blah… My whole point is it all needs to stop… I displayed my example of some bullshit… Of course I don’t have a labreport, I’m not going to waste my money testing your papershit just to find out that you underdosed some dbol sheets by a quarter of a milligram… I have no firsthand physical proof, just like you didn’t… I didn’t personally call Redicat shit, I said that there were several complaints out there… Yet, I still took it upon myself to attempt to find out [the truth], however, I was unable to because he didn’t return my messages…

I purchased some ChemOne products just the other day just to find out for myself if they have quality stuff and I have to say that their cialis is top notch. I’ll soon be trying out the femara…

Come on man, you and Redicat are like tag team partners… He’s got something to sell, you’ve got your name… You knew that once you mentioned his name you’d get thousands of PMs about how to get in contact and purchase some of Redicat’s products…

T-M@tt[/quote]

I have mentioned about a hundred sources here. Alin, DL-Pharm, DPharm, M-Labs, etc…

I happen to use RC’s orals. I happen to say that. I’m not a “tag team” with anyone, man. Thats bullshit to even say.

I don’t need to brostitute myself and say one company is better than another, for any reason. I happen to think he produces a good product. I think alot of people produce good products, and I say so, frequently.

In my interview I named a ton of UG’s I use, and Redi/Paper is one of them. Asserting that I am doing anything more than using a product and giving my review and thoughts on it - is insulting, and a total

As far as how I am in person, alot of members here have met me, at the DC test fest, and I don’t think any of them walked away with the impression that I’m alot more friendly in real life.

Unfortunately, I deal with people accusing me of shit all the time, with baseless bullshit on the internet, and I come off pretty harsh. In person, I would think 0% of the people who are T-Nation members who have met me would think I’m unfriendly.

However, people get a free ride here on the 'net, and accuse me of being on this guy or that guy’s payroll, and saying I say what I do for money or whatever.

I don’t. I sell a product, which is the truth, and unfortunately, on the internet there is a much larger market for bullshit than the truth.

Think about it…I could be earning $ from EVERY research chem company- yet I only work for one. Why? Because I’m in it for the money? Does that make sense?

What have we seen here? Research chem companies getting bashed by members who- WHOA…surprise, surprise- All of a sudden own their own chem company! What a coincidence, right? I bet those two things are unrelated.

Oh…and burning up the PM system here, and giving away free products…have suddenly produced alot of friends for the company in question. Whatever.

I’ve been here, telling the same story, the truth, the whole time. I didn’t bash a company and not admit working for another, for no reason (bunk clen, remember?). I didn’t “all of a sudden” own my own competing company, after I spent months bashing all others. I didn’t claim some company had a toxic ingredient in their IGF, then all of a sudden -oopsie- fail to produce lab tests validifying my claims. Oh…then right, claim a company produces a bad product, then all of a sudden own my own competing company. Yeah. Sounds like really “on the level” buisness tactics.

Look at what’s gone on, with your own eyes, and see who’s telling the truth here. We didn’t even know who was involved with what company until I FUCKING TOLD EVERYONE. Nobody admitted working for anyone, right off the bat except for me. Then I revealed who was on payrolls, and they admitted it.

And who is the source who claims RC’s products don’t work? I’m still waiting on that name. And those lab tests.

Are we done here?

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

The original “bashing” came from the fact the Lion and AG-guys charge exhorbitant prices for their products. Issues over customer service and delivery came later and are subjective.
bushy[/quote]

How about unsubstantiated claims of BSA being harmful and being in Lion’s IGF-1? What of those claims?

And why did I disclose everything at the outset, while he didn’t disclose anything until I had already told everyone about his involvement?

Seems like alot of “coincidences.”

the most eggregious of the issues, I feel, is the unsubstantiated claims of BSA in the IGF-1, which were later ADMITTED to be ALL BASED ON HERESAY, and NO PROOF.

It’s all fun and games when you bash other people’s products and have no evidence- but then when you produce a batch of bad clen, nobody’s supposed to jump on you for it?

Oh…and remember how since I work for AG, I can’t be trusted? Yet now that he OWNS a Chem company, that idea is now null and void? Vested interests made me, in his words “not trustworthy” yet when the vested interest is his, he’s totally trustworthy. Fuck that.

I don’t think that’s how it works, and the present state of affairs could have been avoided had someone not been so quick to condemn others- yet also so quick to ask for a pardon when he produced a batch of bunk clen.

I’d personally like to know why I was “untrustworthy” because I work with a chem company, yet we’re all supposed to be hit upside the fucking head by the Trust-stick when the person who said that now owns a competing company. Using his own logic, he is now untrustworthy, right? Or…alternately, he was wrong and a liar when he said I was, for those same reasone.

So which is it? Was he wrong or lying a few months ago when he said that about me, or is he untrustworthy now when we apply his own words to himself?

Logically, it must be one or the other, as based on his own statements.

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I have nothing but good to say about RC and his products. I consider him to be a friend, and a guy that genuinely cares about his customers.

As for hooker’s baseless accusations about me - just consider the source.

I could sit here and defend myself until the cows come home - but what good would it do? Either you believe me or you don’t.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Anthony Roberts wrote:
What have we seen here? Research chem companies getting bashed by members who- WHOA…surprise, surprise- All of a sudden own their own chem company! What a coincidence, right? I bet those two things are unrelated.

Actually, I would bet a small sum (because I’m just a poor student, lol) of money on the fact that yes, it IS unrelated - a coincidence if you will.

I think we all know that the “member” you talk about is my good friend Rainjack. As I know him, he is an upstanding, direct and outspoken individual who fights for what he believes. Sure he can be aggressive (especially when baited by you), but you can be arrogant - by your own admission.

The original “bashing” came from the fact the Lion and AG-guys charge exhorbitant prices for their products. Issues over customer service and delivery came later and are subjective. Price is unarguable - it is there for all to see.

Do I think that RJ was “bashing” other research chem companies as a means to further his own ambitions? Fuck no! I think that he was expressing genuine disgust at what he saw as blatant greed, and wanted to help people out by steering them in the direction of an alternative, cheaper source. A source to which he was (to the best of my knowledge) unaffiliated, except by friendship to the owner. So RJ was later offered a chance to become fully involved in said business (after all he’s an accountant - a great addition to any business team), which he took and then told everyone about. He hasn’t tried to hide anything in my book…

Furthermore, as far as I am aware, RJ stands behind Redicat 100%.

Hey here’s a thought (though I can by no means speak for RJ on this) - perhaps RJ took the position because it represents a chance to assist “David” in his asswhuppin’ of “Goliath”, whilst providing a little something extra for his familiy into the bargain…

but then perhaps I’m too trusting. Or perhaps you are too cynical…

bushy[/quote]

I think I remember RJ saying that he had no financial interest in Chemone and and that he simply did their books in another thread. Now all of a sudden he is an owner according to this thread. http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1083841

I have a hard time believing he became part owner in the last few days. Im willing to be he was owner and had a finacial interest back when he stated he didnt.

TR

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[quote]trailrash wrote:
I think I remember RJ saying that he had no financial interest in Chemone and and that he simply did their books in another thread. Now all of a sudden he is an owner according to this thread. http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1083841

I have a hard time believing he became part owner in the last few days. Im willing to be he was owner and had a finacial interest back when he stated he didnt.

TR
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Lets Review the events of the last few months, in rainjack’s own words- shall we?

[quote]rainjack wrote:
I will continue promote ChemOne at every opportunity, [/quote]

[quote]rainjack wrote:
I think it is wrong, however, to pimp a product you get for free, and try to pass it off as being objective, or unsolicited, in your opinion. [/quote]

[quote]rainjack wrote:
But as of right now - I have recieved no financial compensation from ChemOne or anyone else affiliated with ChemOne [/quote]

[quote]rainjack wrote:
Although I am affiliated with the site- I can still recommend chemoneresearch.com as the highest quality, lowest price place on the internet for either clen, or t3. [/quote]

[quote]rainjack wrote:
As an owner of ChemOne - I think our A-dex is as good as you can buy.[/quote]

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[quote]trailrash wrote:
I think I remember RJ saying that he had no financial interest in Chemone and and that he simply did their books in another thread. Now all of a sudden he is an owner according to this thread. http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1083841

I have a hard time believing he became part owner in the last few days. Im willing to be he was owner and had a finacial interest back when he stated he didnt.

TR
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Funny how hard work and a little bit of business sense can get you moved up. Must suck to be someone like you that thinks that in order to achieve a moderate amount of success one must either be a liar or a cheat.

Maybe that’s how they do it in your part of the world, but the way things happened are exactly like I said they happened.

But then again- why do I care what someone like you thinks about me anyway? It’ll always be exactly what hooker tells you to think. ANd you prove it every time you waste my time withone of your stupid posts.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

Well thats cool dude. You have your opinion of the man, and I have mine…

I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

bushy[/quote]

Read my last series of quotes, from my last post.

They’re all from Rainjack.

Can you explain his seemingly contradictory position? How it’s wrong for anyone to promote a product which they have a vested interest in- unless it’s him doing it?

Doesn’t that seem like…well…fucking bullshit?

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[quote]jana wrote:
trailrash wrote:
I think I remember RJ saying that he had no financial interest in Chemone and and that he simply did their books in another thread. Now all of a sudden he is an owner according to this thread. http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1083841

I have a hard time believing he became part owner in the last few days. Im willing to be he was owner and had a finacial interest back when he stated he didnt.

TR

Funny how hard work and a little bit of business sense can get you moved up. Must suck to be someone like you that thinks that in order to achieve a moderate amount of success one must either be a liar or a cheat.

Maybe that’s how they do it in your part of the world, but the way things happened are exactly like I said they happened.

But then again- why do I care what someone like you thinks about me anyway? It’ll always be exactly what hooker tells you to think. ANd you prove it every time you waste my time withone of your stupid posts.

[/quote]

First off Roberts didn’t tell me shit. Im going off of what I read and found it ironic that RJ now stated he was one of the owners of Chemone in a recent thread after I remembered him stating that he had no fiducial ties to Chemone before.

Is it a coincidence that he became an owner recently? maybe, but it doesnt look good so excuse the fuck out of me for raising the point and posting looking for answers. Did I call you a liar or a cheat? I dont ever recall posting on one of your threads. So what are you talking about?

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
trailrash wrote:

I have a hard time believing he became part owner in the last few days. Im willing to be he was owner and had a finacial interest back when he stated he didnt.

TR

Well thats cool dude. You have your opinion of the man, and I have mine…

I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

bushy[/quote]

I wasn’t stating an opinion of him. I just found it ironic. I’ve never actually cared to or have have had a bad opinion of him but lately when I ask a question regarding anything he has stated I am seen as an asshole for asking.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

bushy[/quote]

I guess you and TrailerTrash will have to agree to Disagree.

But do you agree with your friend Rainjack? Let me refresh your memory on what Rainjack has to say:

[quote]rainjack wrote:

It is that appearance of defending your paycheck that hurts your credibility. …your credibility in this matter is suspect.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
As an owner of ChemOne - I think our A-dex is as good as you can buy.
[/quote]

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[quote]trailrash wrote:
Is it a coincidence that he became an owner recently? maybe, but it doesnt look good so excuse the fuck out of me for raising the point and posting looking for answers. Did I call you a liar or a cheat? I dont ever recall posting on one of your threads. So what are you talking about?

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I inadvertantly posted under my wife’s username. I would thank you to take your comments about her - which should have been directed at me - back.

You can call bullshit on me all you want. I don’t really care. But you need to take back what you said - and redirect them at me.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
trailrash wrote:
Is it a coincidence that he became an owner recently? maybe, but it doesnt look good so excuse the fuck out of me for raising the point and posting looking for answers. Did I call you a liar or a cheat? I dont ever recall posting on one of your threads. So what are you talking about?

I inadvertantly posted under my wife’s username. I would thank you to take your comments about her - which should have been directed at me - back.

You can call bullshit on me all you want. I don’t really care. But you need to take back what you said - and redirect them at me. [/quote]

Ummm… what was directed at her? Nothing derogatory to her or about her whatsoever. Did I call her a name? what?

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RJ did not say he didn’t have a fiduciary interest in ChemOne just that he has not received any compensation yet.

Being the owner of many companies myself, I have gone significant periods of time without receiving any return on my investments. All profits are reinvested in the business to allow it to grow at a faster pace.

RJ is a stand up guy. If you are going to ask for independent lab results on ChemOne products you should provide independent lab results for AG-Guys and Lion Nutrition.

FWIW my experience with AG has been very positive. Fast shipping, good communication and the products(adex & femara) worked.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
trailrash wrote:
Is it a coincidence that he became an owner recently? maybe, but it doesnt look good so excuse the fuck out of me for raising the point and posting looking for answers. Did I call you a liar or a cheat? I dont ever recall posting on one of your threads. So what are you talking about?

I inadvertantly posted under my wife’s username. I would thank you to take your comments about her - which should have been directed at me - back.

You can call bullshit on me all you want. I don’t really care. But you need to take back what you said - and redirect them at me. [/quote]

Here ya go.

First off Roberts didn’t tell me shit. Im going off of what I read and found it ironic that RJ now stated he was one of the owners of Chemone in a recent thread after I remembered him stating that he had no fiducial ties to Chemone before.

Is it a coincidence that he became an owner recently? maybe, but it doesnt look good so excuse the fuck out of me for raising the point and posting looking for answers. Did I call you a liar or a cheat? I dont ever recall posting on one of your threads. So what are you talking about?

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[quote]trailrash wrote:
First off Roberts didn’t tell me shit. Im going off of what I read and found it ironic that RJ now stated he was one of the owners of Chemone in a recent thread after I remembered him stating that he had no fiducial ties to Chemone before.

Is it a coincidence that he became an owner recently? maybe, but it doesnt look good so excuse the fuck out of me for raising the point and posting looking for answers. Did I call you a liar or a cheat?
[/quote]

Here is what I said. But as of right now - I have recieved no financial compensation from ChemOne or anyone else affiliated with ChemOne

Now - unless you have me quoted elsewhere as saying that I have no financial ties to ChemOne - you have totally misinterpreted what I said.

As I read it - it says that I have not recieved any compensation right now. Did it say ever? or never? I don’t see that.

I could tell you the whole story of how it all came to pass, but I am really not going to waste my time. I have nothing at all I need to prove to you.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
I blasted you for having a vested financial interest in at least one of the two research chem companies you schilled for (and in my opinon are on the take from both). I make nothing… I am not here for profit. You show me one dime that has made it to my pocket, or even the appearence of a payoff and you might have a point.
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[quote]rainjack wrote:
As an owner of ChemOne - I think our A-dex is as good as you can buy. [/quote]

Game. Set. Match.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
My point is just that RJ has been caught in an unfortunate sequence of events that some have chosen to ‘hang’ him with.

bushy[/quote]

Note:

The unfortunate sequence of events was entirely of his doing.

The words which have hung him, ultimately- were his own.