Palin Ain't Goin' NO WHERE, Baby!

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Mufasa wrote:
C’mon, guys!

I really think this could be interesting!

IT APPEARS that running for President is NOT what she wants to do.

Perhaps some grass-roots, bi-partisan effort at Governmental reform?

That would be a tough one.

Mufasa[/quote]

History runs in cycles of 4 and we are now in the collapse/nihilistic stage. This stage is accompanied by (towards its end) a war, or a depression, or some sort of calamity like that. The hero stage then emerges, as heroes arise to restore sanity.

Unfortunately, the heroes are very protective of their children, which leads to the hippie/mindless stage, and the cycle goes on.

Note: I find it interesting that the stages are not a Fibonacci number. That would lend credance to the cycle theory.

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Palin is a rising hero. Obama is the culmination of the nomad/single mom/cynic stage, a man who views values as dispensible items at the exigency of the moment. Obama is the product of John Dewey’s fevered pragmatism.

After a war or depression, soon to come, voters will turn to Palin and her heroic values.

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Irish, why do you keep referring to this person you have never met as a Pig?

Dude, if you have problems , Sarah isn’t the cause of it. If she is, and she’s gotten under your skin so bad while having no ability or power to affect your life or pocketbook by sponsoring or signing bills into law, what is the real issue here?

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[quote]Mufasa wrote:

Also…appealing to the Far Right appears to be NOT be what her Goal is. (I think that Huckabee is the Far Right’s man anyway…). I think that the second she begins to do that, her objectives are dead in the water.

Mufasa[/quote]

This is really an honest question, but then who do you think she could possibly appeal to? I think you probably have in mind something like independents and causal democrats and republicans who are tired of the political games, want a down to earth leader who has their interests in mind, etc. Maybe in her mind she thinks this too. I see two major problems with this though.

First is that I’m not sure just how large this block of people really is. My guess is that many people who claim to be independently minded and all that stuff really are just as ideologically biased as their more overt hardline democratic and republican friends. What I mean is that most of the seeming “independents” will quickly latch onto issues and people who share their own ideological leanings. In this case Palin’s extreme right wing christian, I-believe-the-earth-is-6k-years-old, leanings will surely put off potential “independents” who just can’t stomach that. To summarize, I guess you could just say that I think her own personal views are far to polarizing for her to be an effective mediator.

The second problem is simply that she’s incompetent, to put it nicely. The election showed, media bias not withstanding, not only that she is ignorant on all the critical national issues but also that she does not know how to handle herself on the national scene. This recent stunt of stepping down as governor only further seems to show her ineptitude at managing affairs in general. While the Palin apologetics will claim that the election represented an otherwise wise women who was unfairly skewered by the media and that the latest stunt just shows she has her priorities straight, no one but these far-right Palin fan-boys will see it this way. In other words, I cannot see how the independent base she might possibly appeal to will possibly see her as anything but a naive bumbling idiot, to put it nicely.

In summary, I don’t see how there’s anyone BUT the far right she can appeal to. I’m curious what you think though.

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Excellent points, stoked. I really have no disagreement with your points.

As things stand, I don’t really see a broad coalition uniting behind her EXCEPT in the case of the economy continuing to tank.

Even then (as you point out) who and/or what is being “right-of-center”…and who would those people be?

This could be a simple case of Palin entering into this new “phase” of her life as naievely as she appeared to enter the Presidential Race.

Mufasa

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[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Excellent points, stoked. I really have no disagreement with your points.

As things stand, I don’t really see a broad coalition uniting behind her EXCEPT in the case of the economy continuing to tank.

Even then (as you point out) who and/or what is being “right-of-center”…and who would those people be?

This could be a simple case of Palin entering into this new “phase” of her life as naievely as she appeared to enter the Presidential Race.

Mufasa[/quote]

I suppose I would say that I definitely could see some sort of movement forming behind the sort of person Palin probably wants to see herself as, especially in the face of mounting big government policies and out of control spending. Hell, I hope it happens. My only thought though is that Palin isn’t that person, by a long shot.

Although as you say, it probably will be interesting to watch her.

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A New York Times article gives what seems a good explanation and background.

In her speech, the explanation that as a lame duck governor (out of announced choice to not run again) left her in a position of ineffectiveness and therefore it would be better for Alaska for her to step down so things could actually get done, made little sense to me. In general there is something to that, there is an effect in that direction, but other chief executives have generally not found it necessary to step down early for that reason.

The article makes clear that her former – prior to being nominated by McCain for VP – position was one of effectiveness, and Democrats in Alaska had no problem working with her and cooperation was getting a lot done.

That hasn’t been the case since. Apparently, anything with her name on it had basically become political poison, and the thing for Democrats to do for anything Palin supported, was to oppose it. Additionally there were other factors bogging things down.

The article also explains that she tried to raise contributions towards her legal expenses but – guess what – an ethics complaint was filed against her for that, too.

So it does really seem that, on top of personal life issues and the media vulturing, it actually had become impossible for her to govern effectively.

True, most politicians won’t step down for that reason, and as far as personal opinion goes, I don’t think that changes the expected effect of this finishing her. Who wants to elect a President who can get beat like that?

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Sarah FTW in '12 and here’s why:

“During an interview on the financial network CNBC on Monday morning, Whitney said the U.S. unemployment rate could reach 13% and remain elevated beyond 2010, and that most banks likely aren’t prepared for prolonged joblessness at that level. The U.S. unemployment rate reached 9.5% in June.”

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20090713-708966.html

Meredith Whitney has been earily accurate the last couple of years. And we all know that the REAL unemployment rate is in 9.5 < x < 16.0%, not the 9.5 O-scum-a claims.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Sarah FTW in '12 and here’s why:

“During an interview on the financial network CNBC on Monday morning, Whitney said the U.S. unemployment rate could reach 13% and remain elevated beyond 2010, and that most banks likely aren’t prepared for prolonged joblessness at that level. The U.S. unemployment rate reached 9.5% in June.”

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20090713-708966.html

Meredith Whitney has been earily accurate the last couple of years. And we all know that the REAL unemployment rate is in 9.5 < x < 16.0%, not the 9.5 O-scum-a claims.[/quote]

I agree with your point here, but that doesn’t mean that Palin will be the one to do it in '12. I had high hopes for her, but she showed an inablity to compete at the national level. I DON’T want to see any more re-tread candidates. This country needs a REAL conservative with REAL principles and values, and I haven’t seen that person yet.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Sarah FTW in '12 and here’s why:

“During an interview on the financial network CNBC on Monday morning, Whitney said the U.S. unemployment rate could reach 13% and remain elevated beyond 2010, and that most banks likely aren’t prepared for prolonged joblessness at that level. The U.S. unemployment rate reached 9.5% in June.”

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20090713-708966.html

Meredith Whitney has been earily accurate the last couple of years. And we all know that the REAL unemployment rate is in 9.5 < x < 16.0%, not the 9.5 O-scum-a claims.[/quote]

So what? The fact Obama might be voted out and that a Republican might replace him says nothing about whether it’ll be Palin. Plenty of Republicans and probably most independents would rather have someone else.

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Bump. Must keep talking about Palin. Never forget

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Don’t think for one instance that Palin is just off fishing and hunting.

There appears to be a concerted effort on her part to define where she best fits on the National Political Scene.

Again…it should be interesting.

Mufasa

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
pushharder wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
And I do think it’s funny that she’s campaigning for “limited government.” Pig is the same person that raised a massive windfall tax on Alaskan oil companies and then threw it back at the people in the form of a tax rebate.

She gave this 1200 dollars to every man, woman and child in Alaska. So… children were getting tax rebates.

[i]
On September 5th, 2008 Alaska’s Lieutenant Governor Sean Parnell announced the $3,269 check that every eligible man, woman and child in Alaska will receive, which includes the $1,200 windfall profit rebate Palin backed and was approved the previous month. Parnell on the $1,200 windfall profit rebate:

“The royalty dollars that flow through the state are the people’s wealth. The $1,200 resource rebate goes to that philosophy.” [2][/i]

http://mccain.voterfactcheck.com/facts/11/palin_windfall_profits_tax_344511.shtml

She sounds like a fucking socialist, if you ask me.

You’re are dumber than a sack of rocks if you think Palin started this. Clear back in 1984 when the wife and I lived there and you were a gleam in your daddy’s eye every resident - man, woman, child - got a Permanent Fund check. Do your fuckin homework. It’s an Alaskan institution not a Palin one.

BTW, no state sales or income tax and a dividend check, based in part on OPEC inflated oil prices, to every resident. That’s socialism?

Ignorance reigns supreme here on TN PWI and it’s usually the loudest mouths who are the most ignorant.

Also, the ACES tax hike was first passed by the legislature just like taxes at the federal level.

I don’t care who started it. Obama caught shit in the election for mentioning windfall taxes on oil companies… and what could be more socialistic than taking profits from oil companies and giving it back to the people, while your Lt. Gov. calls it “the people’s wealth.”

From that link:

In 2007 Palin pushed for and enacted a major increase in state oil taxes - a step that generated stunning revenues for Alaska as oil prices soared. The Alaska Oil and Gas Association estimates the state collected $6 billion from Palin-imposed windfall taxes during the fiscal year that ended on June 30, 2008.

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It’s different when the state does it.

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I love Sarah Palin… I hope she never goes away. I’m a Democrat, and I wouldn’t vote for her (probably just stay home, if my Democratic voting options are all bad). I honestly don’t think she can win a national election. She doesn’t have the background (she went to school for televison/broadcasting.

Compare this to someone like Obama, who went to Harvard Law School… there is no comparison.) All the cramming in the world will not make up for the decades (!) of lost time in preparation. She can cram all she wants to, but she can’t ever catch up.

She’s a good spokes-model (and that’s an important part of the job, as a politician) but she seems to be all style and no substance. She doesn’t have any expertise in anything, except possibly Alaska.

So as a Democrat, I’m hoping she’s on the next Republican ticket, and the ticket after that…

Thanks in advance.

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[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Don’t think for one instance that Palin is just off fishing and hunting.

There appears to be a concerted effort on her part to define where she best fits on the National Political Scene.

Again…it should be interesting.

Mufasa[/quote]

She would win in a Senate race in 2010, simply by name recognition. That puts her in DC and in the center of the limelight. Republicans will be on a roll then as people see that bigger gov’t is NOT the solution, that it was in fact the problem.

With her strong moral values and a couple of years of instense coaching, Hillary might well get her wish – a woman in the White House. It just won’t be Hillary.

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[quote]K2000 wrote:
She doesn’t have the background (she went to school for televison/broadcasting. Compare this to someone like Obama, who went to Harvard Law School… there is no comparison.) [/quote]

You want another lawyer there? Lawyers have damn near destroyed the country, lusting after power, and you want another one?

I think lawyers should be barred from public office. I know that’s arbitrary but wtf. Bankers too. Any profession(s) that attract scam artists and money grabbers should NOT be in positions of power.

Hey, maybe Plato was right!! :wink:

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She is a fucking power luster.

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I want her to do a playboy spread. Think how well that copy would sell.

Quitting governor was the worst thing she could have done politically. If she has any political aspirations beyond this, I hope they are minimal, because people won’t trust a quitter.

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[quote]pat wrote:
I want her to do a playboy spread. Think how well that copy would sell.

Quitting governor was the worst thing she could have done politically. If she has any political aspirations beyond this, I hope they are minimal, because people won’t trust a quitter. [/quote]

Well said, the Dems and other GOP candidates will never let her live that down.

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[quote]K2000 wrote:
<<< (she went to school for televison/broadcasting.

<<>> Obama, who went to Harvard Law School… there is no comparison.) >>>[/quote]

I’m still with Buckley. I’d rather be governed by the first ten names in the Las Angeles phone book in any given year, than by the faculty of Harvard Law.