[quote]apbt55 wrote:
no I don’t like gang banger rapist, living in my neighboorhood.
Yes corrupt judges is a big deal, but now we have these idiots trying to put more crime and drugs back on the street.[/quote]
Well, I do not like governments either, and they are the very reason for the crime and drugs on your street.
Cocaine belongs in aisle seven of your local Wal-Mart, somewhere between cough drops and OTC herpes creme, for 10$ an ounce, and not on the streets financing gang violence.
[quote]orion wrote:
apbt55 wrote:
no I don’t like gang banger rapist, living in my neighboorhood.
Yes corrupt judges is a big deal, but now we have these idiots trying to put more crime and drugs back on the street.
Well, I do not like governments either, and they are the very reason for the crime and drugs on your street.
Cocaine belongs in aisle seven of your local Wal-Mart, somewhere between cough drops and OTC herpes creme, for 10$ an ounce, and not on the streets financing gang violence.
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Won’t ever work. Like every asshole needs the government to legalize it and in doing so say it’s okay.
Like we don’t have to many assholes with BS disabilities already.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
orion wrote:
apbt55 wrote:
no I don’t like gang banger rapist, living in my neighboorhood.
Yes corrupt judges is a big deal, but now we have these idiots trying to put more crime and drugs back on the street.
Well, I do not like governments either, and they are the very reason for the crime and drugs on your street.
Cocaine belongs in aisle seven of your local Wal-Mart, somewhere between cough drops and OTC herpes creme, for 10$ an ounce, and not on the streets financing gang violence.
Won’t ever work. Like every asshole needs the government to legalize it and in doing so say it’s okay.
Like we don’t have to many assholes with BS disabilities already.
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The idea that it matters what government thinks is the problem.
If someone thinks that cocaine is great because government says it is let him OD.
Evolution in action.
“The idea that it matters what government thinks is the problem”
The very root of many, that’s for certain.
What is it you people fear so much, tom, do you think society will come crashing down? Do you think we’d have more car crashes, more assault, murder, rapings, when you could buy weed or coke legally?
Sidenote:
This thread is interesting, because Orion, whom I respect because of his outspoken and voluble libertarian voice (which I actually do not share but am willing to learn more about) actually gave a good argument against too much liberalism.
Seems to me that prisons need to remain affairs of state.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
“The idea that it matters what government thinks is the problem”
The very root of many, that’s for certain.
What is it you people fear so much, tom, do you think society will come crashing down? Do you think we’d have more car crashes, more assault, murder, rapings, when you could buy weed or coke legally?
Sidenote:
This thread is interesting, because Orion, whom I respect because of his outspoken and voluble libertarian voice (which I actually do not share but am willing to learn more about) actually gave a good argument against too much liberalism.
Seems to me that prisons need to remain affairs of state.
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I understand how one could see it that way, but liberalism was never about the freedom of big business to collude with governments.
Don’t they always do/try it, in the end?
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
“The idea that it matters what government thinks is the problem”
The very root of many, that’s for certain.
What is it you people fear so much, tom, do you think society will come crashing down? Do you think we’d have more car crashes, more assault, murder, rapings, when you could buy weed or coke legally?
Sidenote:
This thread is interesting, because Orion, whom I respect because of his outspoken and voluble libertarian voice (which I actually do not share but am willing to learn more about) actually gave a good argument against too much liberalism.
Seems to me that prisons need to remain affairs of state.
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No there will be more lazy asses claiming disability. There will be less producers and more takes. Legalize, but you get no government welfare, health care, and no insurance coverage with drug related disabilities.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Don’t they always do/try it, in the end?
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Sure, that is why we want government so small that we can drown it in a bathtub.
That way, the incentive to buy some politicians is very low and we can watch the few remaining civil servants closely.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Schwarzfahrer wrote:
“The idea that it matters what government thinks is the problem”
The very root of many, that’s for certain.
What is it you people fear so much, tom, do you think society will come crashing down? Do you think we’d have more car crashes, more assault, murder, rapings, when you could buy weed or coke legally?
Sidenote:
This thread is interesting, because Orion, whom I respect because of his outspoken and voluble libertarian voice (which I actually do not share but am willing to learn more about) actually gave a good argument against too much liberalism.
Seems to me that prisons need to remain affairs of state.
No there will be more lazy asses claiming disability. There will be less producers and more takes. Legalize, but you get no government welfare, health care, and no insurance coverage with drug related disabilities.
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That goes without saying.
However, the welfare systems will collapse anyway, legalize drugs and see them collapse sooner.
[quote]orion wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Schwarzfahrer wrote:
“The idea that it matters what government thinks is the problem”
The very root of many, that’s for certain.
What is it you people fear so much, tom, do you think society will come crashing down? Do you think we’d have more car crashes, more assault, murder, rapings, when you could buy weed or coke legally?
Sidenote:
This thread is interesting, because Orion, whom I respect because of his outspoken and voluble libertarian voice (which I actually do not share but am willing to learn more about) actually gave a good argument against too much liberalism.
Seems to me that prisons need to remain affairs of state.
No there will be more lazy asses claiming disability. There will be less producers and more takes. Legalize, but you get no government welfare, health care, and no insurance coverage with drug related disabilities.
That goes without saying.
However, the welfare systems will collapse anyway, legalize drugs and see them collapse sooner.[/quote]
Might be some point to that, but i don’t think it would produce a positive for a long time if it did. Goverenment would just try more of what they do is tax, restrict freedom, pass gun laws and so on.
It’s never well, we caused this, it will be more of we didn’t do enough. People that groove about the welfare state just don’t think enough is ever enough.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
orion wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Schwarzfahrer wrote:
“The idea that it matters what government thinks is the problem”
The very root of many, that’s for certain.
What is it you people fear so much, tom, do you think society will come crashing down? Do you think we’d have more car crashes, more assault, murder, rapings, when you could buy weed or coke legally?
Sidenote:
This thread is interesting, because Orion, whom I respect because of his outspoken and voluble libertarian voice (which I actually do not share but am willing to learn more about) actually gave a good argument against too much liberalism.
Seems to me that prisons need to remain affairs of state.
No there will be more lazy asses claiming disability. There will be less producers and more takes. Legalize, but you get no government welfare, health care, and no insurance coverage with drug related disabilities.
That goes without saying.
However, the welfare systems will collapse anyway, legalize drugs and see them collapse sooner.
Might be some point to that, but i don’t think it would produce a positive for a long time if it did. Goverenment would just try more of what they do is tax, restrict freedom, pass gun laws and so on.
It’s never well, we caused this, it will be more of we didn’t do enough. People that groove about the welfare state just don’t think enough is ever enough.
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Sure, but were does America and Europe stand right now?
You think we can turn the wheel back? I think we cannot.
What we can do however is open the floodgates even more so that the whole system drowns.
I really do believe that that is the fastest way to get rid of it once and for all.
[quote]orion wrote:
tom63 wrote:
orion wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Schwarzfahrer wrote:
“The idea that it matters what government thinks is the problem”
The very root of many, that’s for certain.
What is it you people fear so much, tom, do you think society will come crashing down? Do you think we’d have more car crashes, more assault, murder, rapings, when you could buy weed or coke legally?
Sidenote:
This thread is interesting, because Orion, whom I respect because of his outspoken and voluble libertarian voice (which I actually do not share but am willing to learn more about) actually gave a good argument against too much liberalism.
Seems to me that prisons need to remain affairs of state.
No there will be more lazy asses claiming disability. There will be less producers and more takes. Legalize, but you get no government welfare, health care, and no insurance coverage with drug related disabilities.
That goes without saying.
However, the welfare systems will collapse anyway, legalize drugs and see them collapse sooner.
Might be some point to that, but i don’t think it would produce a positive for a long time if it did. Goverenment would just try more of what they do is tax, restrict freedom, pass gun laws and so on.
It’s never well, we caused this, it will be more of we didn’t do enough. People that groove about the welfare state just don’t think enough is ever enough.
Sure, but were does America and Europe stand right now?
You think we can turn the wheel back? I think we cannot.
What we can do however is open the floodgates even more so that the whole system drowns.
I really do believe that that is the fastest way to get rid of it once and for all.
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It might be true, and I think we can’t really go back, but I’m not looking forward to total societal breakdown.