So Obama is to close Gitmo. Well, ok. But, what about Bagram? Will he just shuffle around detainees, so he can say “I closed Gitmo” without really changing much of anything? Or, is he going to bring them all here and run them through our courts? We shall see.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20090106/us_time/08599186951900
We need a torture camp in order to get the truth out of our enemies. Are you really that naive?
[quote]jre67t wrote:
We need a torture camp in order to get the truth out of our enemies. Are you really that naive?[/quote]
Maybe they should just release the jihadists at GITMO near your house. Most of the ones already released went right back to their jihad. Some of them are dead because of it. Why don’t you write your congressman and ask that they be housed in your community so that you can nurse them back to health from their supposed torture wounds. Don’t be too surprised if they take their religion a little bit too seriously, m’kay?
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
jre67t wrote:
We need a torture camp in order to get the truth out of our enemies. Are you really that naive?
Maybe they should just release the jihadists at GITMO near your house. Most of the ones already released went right back to their jihad. Some of them are dead because of it. Why don’t you write your congressman and ask that they be housed in your community so that you can nurse them back to health from their supposed torture wounds. Don’t be too surprised if they take their religion a little bit too seriously, m’kay?[/quote]
Ah, due process, habeas corpus, where hast thou gone?
Maybe we should profile Americans and arrest those indefinitely who might have criminal tendencies?
You might have to replace half of Congress, but it is for the safety of the fucking children.
[quote]orion wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
jre67t wrote:
We need a torture camp in order to get the truth out of our enemies. Are you really that naive?
Maybe they should just release the jihadists at GITMO near your house. Most of the ones already released went right back to their jihad. Some of them are dead because of it. Why don’t you write your congressman and ask that they be housed in your community so that you can nurse them back to health from their supposed torture wounds. Don’t be too surprised if they take their religion a little bit too seriously, m’kay?
Ah, due process, habeas corpus, where hast thou gone?
Maybe we should profile Americans and arrest those indefinitely who might have criminal tendencies?
You might have to replace half of Congress, but it is for the safety of the fucking children.
[/quote]
Maybe Austria should take them. You Euros have a hard-on for the GITMO detainees.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
orion wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
jre67t wrote:
We need a torture camp in order to get the truth out of our enemies. Are you really that naive?
Maybe they should just release the jihadists at GITMO near your house. Most of the ones already released went right back to their jihad. Some of them are dead because of it. Why don’t you write your congressman and ask that they be housed in your community so that you can nurse them back to health from their supposed torture wounds. Don’t be too surprised if they take their religion a little bit too seriously, m’kay?
Ah, due process, habeas corpus, where hast thou gone?
Maybe we should profile Americans and arrest those indefinitely who might have criminal tendencies?
You might have to replace half of Congress, but it is for the safety of the fucking children.
Maybe Austria should take them. You Euros have a hard-on for the GITMO detainees.
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No, we have a hard on for limiting government powers.
Yes, we Euro trash socialists!
However, I do not get why you are so timid.
If it is a good idea when it comes to foreigners, why not for US citizens?
Do not more people get killed by Americans than by terrorists?
Does the American public not deserve the very best protection possible?
Come on, the Feds are already listening in on everything and can write their own warrants, why can´t they detain people too?
Who could be more qualified?
[quote]orion wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
orion wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
jre67t wrote:
We need a torture camp in order to get the truth out of our enemies. Are you really that naive?
Maybe they should just release the jihadists at GITMO near your house. Most of the ones already released went right back to their jihad. Some of them are dead because of it. Why don’t you write your congressman and ask that they be housed in your community so that you can nurse them back to health from their supposed torture wounds. Don’t be too surprised if they take their religion a little bit too seriously, m’kay?
Ah, due process, habeas corpus, where hast thou gone?
Maybe we should profile Americans and arrest those indefinitely who might have criminal tendencies?
You might have to replace half of Congress, but it is for the safety of the fucking children.
Maybe Austria should take them. You Euros have a hard-on for the GITMO detainees.
No, we have a hard on for limiting government powers.
Yes, we Euro trash socialists!
However, I do not get why you are so timid.
If it is a good idea when it comes to foreigners, why not for US citizens?
Do not more people get killed by Americans than by terrorists?
Does the American public not deserve the very best protection possible?
Come on, the Feds are already listening in on everything and can write their own warrants, why can´t they detain people too?
Who could be more qualified?[/quote]
Some of the ideas you’re trying to convey aren’t translating well into “teh English.” You like to accuse us of paranoia, but I’m seeing plenty here.
Citizens get the rights of citizenship (due process, etc). The mujahideen sitting in GTMO aren’t citizens and were rounded up fighting us and are all very bad boys.
Good on Austria for taking some of them though. You can all pat yourselves on the back for your moral superiority. Be sure to swing them by the Glock factory.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
orion wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
orion wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
jre67t wrote:
We need a torture camp in order to get the truth out of our enemies. Are you really that naive?
Maybe they should just release the jihadists at GITMO near your house. Most of the ones already released went right back to their jihad. Some of them are dead because of it. Why don’t you write your congressman and ask that they be housed in your community so that you can nurse them back to health from their supposed torture wounds. Don’t be too surprised if they take their religion a little bit too seriously, m’kay?
Ah, due process, habeas corpus, where hast thou gone?
Maybe we should profile Americans and arrest those indefinitely who might have criminal tendencies?
You might have to replace half of Congress, but it is for the safety of the fucking children.
Maybe Austria should take them. You Euros have a hard-on for the GITMO detainees.
No, we have a hard on for limiting government powers.
Yes, we Euro trash socialists!
However, I do not get why you are so timid.
If it is a good idea when it comes to foreigners, why not for US citizens?
Do not more people get killed by Americans than by terrorists?
Does the American public not deserve the very best protection possible?
Come on, the Feds are already listening in on everything and can write their own warrants, why can´t they detain people too?
Who could be more qualified?
Some of the ideas you’re trying to convey aren’t translating well into “teh English.” You like to accuse us of paranoia, but I’m seeing plenty here.
Citizens get the rights of citizenship (due process, etc). The mujahideen sitting in GTMO aren’t citizens and were rounded up fighting us and are all very bad boys.
Good on Austria for taking some of them though. You can all pat yourselves on the back for your moral superiority. Be sure to swing them by the Glock factory. [/quote]
It is not important whether Americans have the right to due process when the question is, should they have it?
If more Americans get killed by Americans than by terrorists is it not about time that those pesky limitation on the executive branch are abolished?
Why stop in Guantanamo?
[quote]It is not important whether Americans have the right to due process when the question is, should they have it?
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Uh, yeah. Citizens should have the right of citizenship, including due process.
Uh, no. Citizens should not be deprived of the rights of citizenship due to the fact that they kill more of each other than non-citizens.
Feel free to make the GTMO jihadists citizens of Austria, if you find that they have been deprived by us.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
It is not important whether Americans have the right to due process when the question is, should they have it?
Uh, yeah. Citizens should have the right of citizenship, including due process.
If more Americans get killed by Americans than by terrorists is it not about time that those pesky limitation on the executive branch are abolished?
Why stop in Guantanamo?
Uh, no. Citizens should not be deprived of the rights of citizenship due to the fact that they kill more of each other than non-citizens.
Feel free to make the GTMO jihadists citizens of Austria, if you find that they have been deprived by us.
[/quote]
So you have no objective reason whatsoever for calling for the unlimited detention of former Guantanamo detainees.
Got it.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
It is not important whether Americans have the right to due process when the question is, should they have it?
Uh, yeah. Citizens should have the right of citizenship, including due process.
[/quote]
Why?
[quote]orion wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
It is not important whether Americans have the right to due process when the question is, should they have it?
Uh, yeah. Citizens should have the right of citizenship, including due process.
If more Americans get killed by Americans than by terrorists is it not about time that those pesky limitation on the executive branch are abolished?
Why stop in Guantanamo?
Uh, no. Citizens should not be deprived of the rights of citizenship due to the fact that they kill more of each other than non-citizens.
Feel free to make the GTMO jihadists citizens of Austria, if you find that they have been deprived by us.
So you have no objective reason whatsoever for calling for the unlimited detention of former Guantanamo detainees.
Got it.
[/quote]
No, I have no objection whatsoever to the permanent detention of current GTMO detainees and any jihadists captured fighting our troops overseas that don’t belong to a regular army. If you want Geneva Convention rights, you’ve got to fight according to the Geneva Convention. Got it?
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
orion wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
It is not important whether Americans have the right to due process when the question is, should they have it?
Uh, yeah. Citizens should have the right of citizenship, including due process.
If more Americans get killed by Americans than by terrorists is it not about time that those pesky limitation on the executive branch are abolished?
Why stop in Guantanamo?
Uh, no. Citizens should not be deprived of the rights of citizenship due to the fact that they kill more of each other than non-citizens.
Feel free to make the GTMO jihadists citizens of Austria, if you find that they have been deprived by us.
So you have no objective reason whatsoever for calling for the unlimited detention of former Guantanamo detainees.
Got it.
No, I have no objection whatsoever to the permanent detention of current GTMO detainees and any jihadists captured fighting our troops overseas that don’t belong to a regular army. If you want Geneva Convention rights, you’ve got to fight according to the Geneva Convention. Got it?
[/quote]
Seems like the majority of those people forgot to put on their insignia and uniform while they were out hearding their goats.
A lot, if not most Americans forget that too when they are shopping at Walmart, so that can hardly be an excuse.
Promise 5000$ for every American terrorist and see what you get.
Not to mention that detainees would have a right to a trial to determine their status under the Geneva convention.
[quote]orion wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
orion wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
It is not important whether Americans have the right to due process when the question is, should they have it?
Uh, yeah. Citizens should have the right of citizenship, including due process.
If more Americans get killed by Americans than by terrorists is it not about time that those pesky limitation on the executive branch are abolished?
Why stop in Guantanamo?
Uh, no. Citizens should not be deprived of the rights of citizenship due to the fact that they kill more of each other than non-citizens.
Feel free to make the GTMO jihadists citizens of Austria, if you find that they have been deprived by us.
So you have no objective reason whatsoever for calling for the unlimited detention of former Guantanamo detainees.
Got it.
No, I have no objection whatsoever to the permanent detention of current GTMO detainees and any jihadists captured fighting our troops overseas that don’t belong to a regular army. If you want Geneva Convention rights, you’ve got to fight according to the Geneva Convention. Got it?
Seems like the majority of those people forgot to put on their insignia and uniform while they were out hearding their goats.
A lot, if not most Americans forget that too when they are shopping at Walmart, so that can hardly be an excuse.
Promise 5000$ for every American terrorist and see what you get.
Not to mention that detainees would have a right to a trial to determine their status under the Geneva convention.[/quote]
Like I said, other countries are welcome to them. Austria appears to be one of the few signing up, so you can be free to indulge your Euro GTMO jihadist hard-on. They may even return the favor.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
jre67t wrote:
We need a torture camp in order to get the truth out of our enemies. Are you really that naive?
Maybe they should just release the jihadists at GITMO near your house. Most of the ones already released went right back to their jihad. Some of them are dead because of it. Why don’t you write your congressman and ask that they be housed in your community so that you can nurse them back to health from their supposed torture wounds. Don’t be too surprised if they take their religion a little bit too seriously, m’kay?[/quote]
Aren’t you a Christian?
Implant devices in them set to explode one month after release. Make the devices powerful enough and it may take out some other terrorists at the IED assembling room.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
orion wrote:
Ah, due process, habeas corpus, where hast thou gone?
Maybe we should profile Americans and arrest those indefinitely who might have criminal tendencies?
You might have to replace half of Congress, but it is for the safety of the fucking children.
Other than the feelings of superiority that you might get by criticising another country, why the great “concern” for what goes on in the US?[/quote]
Ever notice how in the Gym people always attack the big guy behind his back or on the computer? Its kinda like that its just jealousy.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
orion wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
orion wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
It is not important whether Americans have the right to due process when the question is, should they have it?
Uh, yeah. Citizens should have the right of citizenship, including due process.
If more Americans get killed by Americans than by terrorists is it not about time that those pesky limitation on the executive branch are abolished?
Why stop in Guantanamo?
Uh, no. Citizens should not be deprived of the rights of citizenship due to the fact that they kill more of each other than non-citizens.
Feel free to make the GTMO jihadists citizens of Austria, if you find that they have been deprived by us.
So you have no objective reason whatsoever for calling for the unlimited detention of former Guantanamo detainees.
Got it.
No, I have no objection whatsoever to the permanent detention of current GTMO detainees and any jihadists captured fighting our troops overseas that don’t belong to a regular army. If you want Geneva Convention rights, you’ve got to fight according to the Geneva Convention. Got it?
Seems like the majority of those people forgot to put on their insignia and uniform while they were out hearding their goats.
A lot, if not most Americans forget that too when they are shopping at Walmart, so that can hardly be an excuse.
Promise 5000$ for every American terrorist and see what you get.
Not to mention that detainees would have a right to a trial to determine their status under the Geneva convention.
Like I said, other countries are welcome to them. Austria appears to be one of the few signing up, so you can be free to indulge your Euro GTMO jihadist hard-on. They may even return the favor.
[/quote]
You keep dodging my question.
If suspending the right to a fair trial is a good idea, why not extend that idea to Americans?
If preventive incarceration saves lives, why not detain potentially lethal Americans?
As far as I understand your premises, this is what logically follows.