[quote]vroom wrote:
The flip-flop deal was pretty big too. His voting record was pretty big to and that was what most people voted on I believe.
Hahahahhahaa. You think you can find a senator that doesn’t have a voting record that can be manipulated and misrepresented?
Just exercise fair and decent judgment in all directions. Cut slack for both sides or be a tough son of a bitch against both sides. It’s pretty rare around here.
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Vroom
You take a quote re: one thing and then extrapolate it out to show how it does/doesn’t fit your thought process. This was said about Kerry and this election. Not about all senators.
That’s why the road to the White House does not go through the senate. Check current history. With 24 hour news and all the magazines and newspapers looking for headlines the senators are not able to vote their conscience any more they have to look to the future and their political aspirations.
Kerry’s record is out there. I didn’t invent it and haven’t really pursued it that much. But if you really believe that people didn’t vote for Kerry with his flip-flop defense voting as part of the reason, well then you need to get a grip. It wasn’t all about Viet Nam.
There were real issues as to whether he was the right man at this time. 50 million said no. 48 million said yes. Simple as that. Don’t try to take my statement about this election to say how I am soft on Republican conservatives and tough on the liberal Democarats. That wasn’t my intent or inferrence–and I think you know that.
I’m not sure comparing this clip of GWB flipping the bird to Janet Jackson’s legitimate or illegitimate (who really cares?) wardrobe malfunction is a proper comparison. I don’t think it’s the point.
I suppose my posting this clip was a criticism of not so much the President, but of his constituents who view him – and voted for him – as “a man of god” and a man of high moral stature.
I personally don’t even think him flipping the bird does anything to diminish these attributes (if they were true), but hey – I’m just a casual, liberal dude.
The point is that the people who love giving those “god-like” and “moral” labels to GWB DO [bold!], in fact, despise simple crudeness – such as flipping the bird.
[quote]Right Side Up wrote:
I’m not sure comparing this clip of GWB flipping the bird to Janet Jackson’s legitimate or illegitimate (who really cares?) wardrobe malfunction is a proper comparison. I don’t think it’s the point.
I suppose my posting this clip was a criticism of not so much the President, but of his constituents who view him – and voted for him – as “a man of god” and a man of high moral stature.
I personally don’t even think him flipping the bird does anything to diminish these attributes (if they were true), but hey – I’m just a casual, liberal dude.
The point is that the people who love giving those “god-like” and “moral” labels to GWB DO [bold!], in fact, despise simple crudeness – such as flipping the bird.[/quote]
So you posted it to prove a point–a point which you’re not sure even exists.
I’d say by the responses offered, there is a point to some.
I’ve never put Bush in the role of diety, and never will. Moral, now that we can argue. You’re entire character is neither established nor diminished by a single act 10 -15 years in your past.
“Again, no one here is shocked at a middle finger. That is, except maybe Zeb, but only if Janet Jackson does it.”
Does someone really have to explain to you that there is a difference between some singing star flashing her boobs at the Super Bowl half time show and another individual giving the finger to a camera at a third rate TV station?
Prof stated: “As far as Zeb’s comment about “hating” the president. I don’t even think like that. I don’t care enough about the man to hate him as an individual.”
But you do care enough about him to write volumes of hate filled words on this forum?
Keep in mind I don’t think Bush is perfect, far from it in fact. However, as long as people like you attack him, I will be more than happy to stand beside him and defend him.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
But you do care enough about him to write volumes of hate filled words on this forum?
Keep in mind I don’t think Bush is perfect, far from it in fact. However, as long as people like you attack him, I will be more than happy to stand beside him and defend him. [/quote]
Hate filled words? Please show me words that are filled with hatred towards the president. People like you are who this thread was about. Those who act as if any words against any actions of the president represent “hatred” for either this country or “hatred” of conservatives or “hatred” of him. It is a holier than thou attempt to place yourself and your opinions above others. On one hand, you want to act as if morals and values are why you push more and more to force everyone in the country to think and act like you.
Meanwhile, your very leader can make a lude childish act and every single one of you will try your hardest to downplay it or shoo it away. It is odd behavior to say the least. You would swear that conservatives are the only ones who go to church in this country or as if you all hold the patent on “values”.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
Did she forever ruin the Superbowl for you, ZEB? Or worse yet, did she steal your chin up bar?
My vote for the most ignorant comment in the past three months.
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Ignorant? How is this ignorant? C’mon, nobody believes she stole anything of yours. I was just curious where this unending hatred of Janet Jackson comes from. Everytime her name is brought up you go on a name-calling tirade. That’s a lot of built up emotion for a woman you will probably never meet.
Wait…That’s it. You have a crush on Janet. Ooooh. And while you’re doing endless bible-chins, some punk from N’SYNC comes along and gets her first. I’m sorry it happened that way.
Anyway, if this really is the most ignorant comment in the past three months, can I at least get credited for saying it?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I asked several times in other threads, exactly how America alone is now in a better situation due to the war in Iraq happening when it did. I still have yet to get a response to that.[/quote]
I guess I’ll just have to ask this question in other threads until someone can let me in on the answer. I seriously want to know.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I asked several times in other threads, exactly how America alone is now in a better situation due to the war in Iraq happening when it did. I still have yet to get a response to that.
I guess I’ll just have to ask this question in other threads until someone can let me in on the answer. I seriously want to know.[/quote]
Do you want tangible proof that what we did was the right thing to do?
Give me tangible proof that an alarm system on your car is worth the money you spent on it. Give me tangible proof that locking your door at night keeps burglars out.
We took the war to the enemy. We didn’t do what the french and the anti-war peaceniks wanted - wait until something bad happened - forgetting of course the 3000 bodies in the rubble of the WTC.
We invaded Iraq for a multitude of reasons. The main one being that Iraq, N. Korea, and Iran are the axis of evil - And we could no longer wait for another attack.
If you want tangible proof that we are doing the right thing - other than, no more attacks on American soil, a dictator with direct ties to terror is in prioson, and the leader of AL Qaeda is hiding in a cave - you will have to wait.
I would rather do something and be wrong in your eyes than to do nothing and think that we should have done something.
That’s the best answer I have - so for the love of God - will you quit asking it now?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
ZEB wrote:
But you do care enough about him to write volumes of hate filled words on this forum?
Keep in mind I don’t think Bush is perfect, far from it in fact. However, as long as people like you attack him, I will be more than happy to stand beside him and defend him.
Hate filled words? Please show me words that are filled with hatred towards the president. People like you are who this thread was about. Those who act as if any words against any actions of the president represent “hatred” for either this country or “hatred” of conservatives or “hatred” of him. It is a holier than thou attempt to place yourself and your opinions above others. On one hand, you want to act as if morals and values are why you push more and more to force everyone in the country to think and act like you.
Meanwhile, your very leader can make a lude childish act and every single one of you will try your hardest to downplay it or shoo it away. It is odd behavior to say the least. You would swear that conservatives are the only ones who go to church in this country or as if you all hold the patent on “values”. [/quote]
Prof wrote:
“It is a holier than thou attempt to place yourself and your opinions above others.”
Um…that’s basically all you do on this forum! Ever read your own posts? Not just the political threads but just about everywhere.
Please name one time when you have admitted that you were wrong…on anything…ever? (sorry if you read this before I know this question has been proposed to you by another member, you didn’t answer). In fact, name just one time that you have admitted to someone on the other side that they had a good point.
I’m very interested in hearing an honest reply to this post. Not your usual mischaracterization, but an honest reply to the comments above.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Please name one time when you have admitted that you were wrong…on anything…ever?
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During the Sergio Oliva thread where I got the name wrong of one of the famous pro bodybuilders. That was just about a week ago. Anything else you would like to know?
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Do you want tangible proof that what we did was the right thing to do?[/quote]
No, I want you to answer the question DIRECTLY. Again, exactly how is America alone now in a better situation due to the war in Iraq happening at the exact time it did? Why is this that hard to answer?
You all claim that Clinton should have gone to war or should be blamed for not going to war or doing something about Saddam, so please, enlighten what we have gained directly in this country as a result to going in when we did and not waiting.
Unsurprisingly, I’ve already answered quite clearly that deterance Post-9/11 was in and of itself plenty of reason to invade when we did.
See Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Libya, and maybe Syria.
JeffR[/quote]
It’s alright. Most of us know you won’t be able to say lookat that exact thing this is why we are better.
The good Prof. is doing his best to divert the fact he has yet to answer any question posed to him. He’ll just keep asking that question back from his ‘tower’ and to him, this proves he and he alone is right.
Jeff, RJ–you answered his question well. I wish you would get the respect in turn that you showed to him.
He still hasn’t explained his value system to me where the flipping of the bird is worse than perjury and adultry in the oval office. He’ll pick and choose and then dare you to answer his BS.
