It was probably manslaughter or reckless homicide depending on the state as the murder probably wasn’t intentional. No one in their right mind would murder someone on camera like that.
Once again “in your system” doesn’t equate to being fucked up at the time of death. Perhaps he was… Perhaps he wasn’t. The whole “he had traces of this in his system” argument has been used as a scapegoat time and time again.
I’m not sure how much judgement factors in when you’re having your neck stood on for nine minutes.
He encountered officer chauvin for using a counterfeit twenty dollar bill… Big whoop, I’m sure you’ve done far worse, I think we all have at least once. To insinuate this was his fault is insulting. He might not have been perfect, but to state “this guy was a druggie who reaped what he sew” is disrespectful.
He was unintentionally killed over using a counterfeit twenty dollar bill. No one deserves to die over a counterfeit 20$ bill. Had he been caught aiming a gun and someone/had been subsequently shot over that it’d be understandable. But for the circumstances outlined, not a chance…
Not much at all, especially when you’re handcuffed. But all the hours leading up to it certainly matter quite a bit.
I’ve really got to call it now, at least for the next few hours. I hope you enjoyed reading.
Show where I defended defunding the police. In fact, if you can post a quote from me where I defended defunding the police, I’ll never post here again. If you can’t, are you willing to do the same? The ball’s in your court.
I said it was unfair? Again, post it and I’ll leave for good. Are you willing to do the same when you can’t?
Now, we both know you can’t support what you claim with my own words (yes, I am calling you a liar) and we both know you lack the integrity to admit you are wrong and will only try and shift the goalposts again. We definitely know you won’t accept my challenge because again, you know you are lying.
Which neither you nor I did. You said it was policy, I said it wasn’t. You simply couldn’t concede that and move on. Note that I am not even arguing against much of what you have posted but you are so fixated on one thing you don’t see it. I get that asking you for evidence, with regard to policy, went against your feelings but facts don’t care about your feelings. One other thing, you don’t know what semantics means. Here’s a hint: democratic policy is a specific thing.
Anyway, like I said, you won’t back up your claims (lies) about what I said with actual quotes from so I guess you and I both will continue to post here. But we both will know you are a liar.
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Note that this was ignored.
I did respond to this, also. You’re shifting from “his death was an overdose” to
“Impaired judgement led to his death”. Even if the latter was a contributing factor, that’s not an overdose. If I smoke a bunch of crack, go rob a liquor store to procure more money for crack and get shot dead in the process I died from gunshot wounds, not an overdose
If I smoke crack, enter v fib and die as a direct result I died from an overdose.
Also, you mentioned BJJ earlier. I want to state I think BJJ is an awesome tool for LEO’s. Way better to restrain an opponent with a submission if possible as opposed to knocking their teeth out or slamming them onto concrete with a throw (judo).
@zecarlo Do you think "far-right’’ and ‘‘far left’’ mentalities are becoming more common in the US? As if the healthy middle ground is being slowly eroded by continuous divide?
I think a poster here has fallen off the edge into the far right. One thing both sides have in common is a lack of facts to back up their assertions. But to answer your question, I’m not sure if they are more common or thanks to social media they have become louder.
The extremes are ideologically driven (i.e., utopian, unrealistic, fanatical, etc.) whereas the middle is driven by pragmatism. This is why Machiavelli was actually not that extreme (ideological) in his politics, contrary to what people think.
I’m on my last minutes before I have to go. For cereal. I concede all of the semantic technicalities you guys are arguing. Every brilliant rhetorical point you guys made is very valid and hard to argue against. Now, with that out of the way, let’s talk about how the House Democrats Voted Unanimously for the George Floyd Justice in Policing Act. Here’s your Friday night PWI civics challenge
Defend the Unanimous Democrat Vote for the Justice In George Floyd Policing Bill.
If you’re having a hard time deciding which shitty, anti-cop part of it to defend, start with ending qualified immunity.
Setting aside whether or not it is a good thing, it does seem an argument could be made that it’s fascist. But that only happens in Italy…
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I thought, I would throw in my two cents worth from a Federal LEO perspective. First, before getting started, I am clearly admitting my bias on this issue. This has been a gradual buildup since I returned from the Portland riots and, the situations I have encountered since January 2021. Whether it is a Democratic Policy or not, makes no difference to the agents or cops working the job. We have to deal with the ever increasing wokeness and cultural change effecting me and thousands of others every day. I am sure Marine 77 has the same bullshit to deal with, only worse since he works in ST. Louis ,a democratic controlled city.
My biggest problem is I am a white male who has learned through FORCED educational seminars taught by Black psychologists, that I am inherently racist and everything I have acquired has been because of white privilege, even thou, I spent most of my childhood in foster homes, juvie prison and lied to get into the military at 16 and a half. That white privilege is a blast.
In February of this year, I had to attend a seminar from a professor from the American Association of Black Psychologists. This was MANDATORY for all supervisory level agents. She began the seminar by going around the room and asking each agent how white privilege has helped them in their lives. I looked around and everyone had a really shocked look, like WTF. Most agents just stumbled through with the chosen platitudes of the current day.
She got to me and I said, “no, hasn’t helped me at all” and listed the reasons above. Furthermore, you and everyone else in your group, didn’t have a problem with a white boy being sent to Somali, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria to kill the scum of the earth. She looked at me like was I was insane.
I asked her, you are from the AABP, right? She answered yes and I said, “isn’t that racist in itself”? She replied it certainly wasn’t. My reply to her was, “then you live by double standards”. She really got pissed at this, especially, when I said “If I start an American Association of White Psychologists or a national White Lives Matter movement. That’s different she said. Right.
Attending the class was a General I used provide PSD work for. He got up and motioned me to follow him out into the hallway. “I didn’t know you were a closet racist before” . “I am not a fucking racist , I said, but, neither am I going to sit in there and be criticized by some democratic cunt for being who I am”. He banned me from class and two days after, I had a disciplinary letter in my jacket for “unprofessional conduct”
Around the middle of March, we got assigned to help another large agency complete firearms qualification courses. The training facility had multiple ranges and as everyone who has been on a large range, they are noisy. Because the classes were large, I had four instructors assigned to me. One on each end of the line, two in the middle, and me as safety over watch. Because of the noise the instructors on the end would use the universal sign for “ok”, letting me know if was safe to fire. I would signal back and tell the range master through the radio to run the targets.
About two hours into the training, I was called into the range master’s office and informed that someone had made a complaint against me. For what? I said. Well, I was informed that the universal sign for “ok” is now a white supremacy gesture. I was pissed, the same sign I had used in military, SWAT, Fugitive squad and everything else in life was now racist. I said “you can’t be fucking serious”. He said the CO called him and told him to cease with the racist gestures and then told him to get rid of us for the day. What a fucking puxxy.
Earlier this week , I made a comment to Aragon, about a student asking me to have extra time to check a large amount of texts. I was giving a class on active shooters and told the student, no, it was not time for a break. The student was a black female. After class, she went to the front office and made a racial complaint against me, claiming if she was white, I would have given her permission. I was called into the office and asked why I didn’t give her permission. I lost control and said, “I am the fucking instructor, she is a fucking student, she doesn’t run fucking the class, I do”. I was told, I have anger issues and he is going to write me up for anger management class. Fuck him, too.
When using Army firing ranges to train federal agents, police, and protective services, you are always assigned designated parking lots and you all have to park your POV’s together. On the tailgate of my truck (yes, a redneck, racist truck because, you know, it’s hard to haul around steel targets in a Porsche) I have a small America Flag and a small Blue Lives Matter flag painted. They mean a lot to me. A daughter of KIA veteran did the work for me. I got called in to the CO’S office and was told “someone” had complained about my flags because they said the American and Blue Lives matter flags were racist. I just looked at this idiot, wearing the uniform of our country, telling me about another “someone” hating the American flag. He said, I could not come back with that vehicle again. I said, “with all due respect to your rank, fuck you as a person”. I got another disciplinary letter in my jacket.
You gentlemen have been discussing the fact whether defund the police is a Democratic policy or not. I don’t care about policy, I care about the people I am responsible for, who are too scared to do their jobs because of the cancerous filth that has infected the Democratic Party. A party that has screamed “victimhood” for the past 4 years, who allow BLM, AOC, the “squad” to set the police hate narrative for the nation. The major cities, who are controlled by democratic cultural warriors, are allowing their citizens be slaughtered by crime. Do I blame the Democratic Party for the bullshit controlling my life and this nation? Yes, I do.
I don’t think this little story is derailing your conversations, but, I thought, I would share what is going on down in the weeds.
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Fantastic post. Thanks for sharing. People need to hear more LEO’s speaking up, and people need to speak up in support of LEO’s. A buddy of mine works human trafficking as part of DHS/ICE. He spends weeks away from his family to go chase down the worst people on the planet.
Years ago, when Abolish ICE was popular for reasons that couldn’t possibly have anything to do with the Democrat party, he had to walk past screaming, unemployed, ill-willed nobodies calling him the worst names you can imagine, all while sacrificing his family’s time for those same people. Nothing has improved for him since, even though those morons found something else to do. He’s at wits end.
I’m bracing for the day when the business I work at has to do woke training to keep getting our Navy contracts. If that day comes, I’ve already decided I’m not going to participate and I will vocally explain why in front of everyone else. If that means I lose my job, I’m ready to roll with that punch.
@Mufasa @zecarlo @unreal24278 So, no takers on my Friday night PWI civics challenge, eh? I can’t say I blame you. I would have a really tough time explaining a unanimous Democrat vote for that garbage anti-cop bill after spending all of those posts making the case that this is all just fringe Democrat policy and/or characterizing my concerns as over-wrought, fact-free, unhinged or far-right while nitpicking minor points wherever you can.
Democrats can’t defend that policy, not in clear and coherent terms. They can’t defend much of what they’re proposing legislatively, which is why their rhetoric is composed entirely of vague terms and false narratives that accuse their opponents of racism.
Biden can stick his “new Jim Crow” right up his ass.
We’ve had several do that, but it’s not him. Holding an opinion you don’t think is correct isn’t the same thing as being far right. Immovable bias against Democrats isn’t the same thing as far right either.
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Hard question by my unscientific opinion is a bit of both… I think the true believers are louder but not more numerous. The audience may be more numerous though because of the ease one can broadcast on social media with.
Qualified immunity for undercover is an appropriate concept, but I don’t think it is correct as it is currently implemented. I am not an expert and my understanding is likely flawed, but that is my current opinion.
I really appreciate the time you took to type all of that out Idaho. And I’m legitimately sorry for the complete fucking bullshit you have had to deal with in your post. That is not fair for you or any of the good, experienced, and grounded experts that are desperately needed.
I really, really hope that you don’t pay a price for standing up for common sense.
Yeah, I’m ok with that.
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Hold tight. Zecarlo will be by shortly to explain why you are wrong about your experiences.
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Man, just imagine how heroic he would be portrayed as being for having something stuck up his ass.
That would be illogical. I leave that to the partisans. Also, if you paid attention, you would know I have had similar complaints about social justice training and listing my privileges.
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Well, you failed to take mine. And maybe, if you opened your eyes, you would see the silliness of your challenge as no one here has posted anything anti cop. You might want to find a different forum for your challenge.
You could try asking one instead of asking me.
If you were honest, you would be able to answer the question: who exactly are these laws going to affect? I mean, how many states that fought to preserve slavery are coming up with these laws vs states that fought to end it? Coincidence?
What was the challenge? What was I supposed to do?
I never called you unhinged, nor did I insinuate your beliefs were fact free… I implied you might qualify as “far right’', but don’t take my assumption personally as I believe quite a few meet this criteria. I don’t think it’s all that uncommon to be ''far right” or “far left” nowdays… Which is unfortunate
I used bold lettering across multiple posts to highlight the civics challenge.
It was entirely overlooked for some reason.
This is a reasonable opinion with room for reasonable discussion.
Democrats skipped that part of the discussion. Here’s Joe Biden taking a break from pawing and sniffing scared little girls to tell racist lies and shit all over good Americans.
The Justice by George Floyding in Policing Act is about ending qualified immunity. At least the article I read about it was.
It was passed unanimously by Democrats in the United States House of Representatives,