If you don’t think any of what I mentioned backs up my point then nothing else will. Certainly not the Obama DOJ who started aggressively slapping consent decrees on major PD’s, declaring them literally racist because of the silly notion of disproportional outcomes.
If you think those are helpful, ask any cop who has to work under one.
Certainly not the Biden administration lying about Jim Crow to keep feeding the narrative. Or asking the UN for help with our racist society. Both of those were just yesterday, btw.
But nooooo… it’s not the Democrats who are undermining the police. Not at all.
Mysterious forces are obviously responsible for the sudden lack of job applications, the waves of people leaving the profession, the low morale among those left, none of which are at all connected to the spike in crime. Maybe Mercury is in retrograde or psychic energy from the afterlife is to blame here.
Because it can’t be Democrats, well known for their pro police rhetoric and policy.
Those are all companies that they choose not to give money to. That’s totally different than ruining people’s lives for having an opinion or for something stupid they said when they were 15.
An interpretation? There is nothing remotely comparable between any state level law today and Jim Crow. The Biden administration knows this. Any person with half a brain and a basic awareness of history knows this.
That’s lying to America to keep the bigger lie of systemic racism going. Defunding the police is a direct outgrowth of the fact free narrative of white supremacy in the USA.
Your argument is an absurd display of inept semantic quibbling.
Are you somehow implying that all of those quotes from Democrats on Ferguson are NOT real just because the article is an opinion piece? What was your point?
You think Biden supports some atrocious ideologies… I find “Obamagate”, “Qanon” and the likes to be ludicrous bullshit conspiracy theory nonsense. The prior POTUS constantly tweeted about this bullshit, feeding off of the divide it created within the population.
Defunding the police (if it occurs systematically, which it won’t) will result in death. You know what else results in death… Neigh I say the massacre of innocent civillians? Pulling troops out of northern Syria… Also may have resulted in a temporary strengthening of ISIS.
Sure, you might say “this has nothing to do with defunding the police”. I don’t think defunding the police is a narrative entrenched within mainstream democrats just as I don’t believe systemic homophobia is a narrative within the mainstream Republican party.
There are abhorrent Republican policies just as abhorrent democratic policies exist. The argument “democrats primarily have sociopathic, ludicrous policies” is an opinion, and a very biased one at that.
Well then, if Democrats aren’t responsible and the LEOs in this thread are wrong about their observations, you guys must be right.
These bad outcomes among police must be due to something other than what the police in this thread are saying. There can’t possibly be a connection to Democrat narratives, rhetoric and policy changes.
Mysterious forces must be to blame. Democrats certainly aren’t. None of them hopped on the Black Lives Matter train, after all. Naming major Federal legislation after a criminal who robbed a pregnant woman at gun point is in no way showing anything but respect and support to law enforcement. Jim Crow comparisons are a matter of opinion, not facts that can be compared.
Not in rare form, just sick of listening to borderline far right ideology filled with half truths. Just because I’m not willing to bow down to Republicans in shining armour whilst casting away those wicked democrats doesn’t equate to my moral compass being compromised. We have differing interpretations regarding the morality/culpability of both parties relating to societal outcomes… Why things are the way they are today.
And sure, I also have some beliefs that are pretty far out there… But I admit that, even stating earlier in a response to loppar that emotion and logic has become intertwined regarding my beliefs relating to covid/Australia.
You know how the far left tend to be very, very irritating with the whole “holier than thou” type attitude… I think you’re doing the same thing here.
You’re right about that. This is a black and white issue at this point, now that we have an outcome in hand. It was before as well, but you can excuse a bit of stupidity and short sightedness when it is still in the idea phase. When it was, the concerns of the easily predicted outcomes were dismissed as racist as Democrats charged ahead with these policies.
It is absolutely a low point for Democrats worth calling out in clear and strong terms. I’ll do it one more time.
Only stupid and/or sociopathic people support defunding the police and the anti-cop narratives around it. Democrats and leftists who support them are the only ones who advanced this narrative, rhetoric and policy.
Now you’re shifting the goalposts. You say that it’s Dem policy, as in all Dems and the DNC however, even you have admitted it’s not all Dems (including the president) and have failed to provide one shred of evidence that it is Dem policy rather than simply the policy/beliefs of some Dems.
The reality is that the GOP needs to fear monger on this issue because soon enough they won’t be able to. The majority of people who vote Dem do not agree with defunding the police. The majority of Dem politicians don’t either. America is not just St. Louis, NYC, Minneapolis and Portland. I live in a state that will always vote democrat yet defund the police is not a policy anyone is enacting. In my town we have resource officers in the schools and we are far from a ghetto, we’re just a suburb. No one wants them removed.
The GOP is running out of time. De Blasio is the perfect bogeyman for them on this issue but he will soon be replaced by someone, still a Dem, who does not support defunding the police. Biden wants to give NYC police more money. When these things happen, what will the GOP use to scare people about Dems wanting to defund the cops?
And you can point to crime going up in the meantime however, it has gone up in places that have not even given a thought to defunding the police.
Hey now they don’t want to talk about this type of thing. Keep your eye on the ball here and only discuss problems Dems have. The rest of that is TDS or something.
I applaud you for speaking your truth. Perhaps you are correct, and the concerns and opposition to these policies are rooted in cynical political power motivations, and thus worthy of scorn. I have a different take on this.
I believe that any person who is not sociopathic or stupid can “fear monger” on this issue. We’re presently dealing with an objectively awful outcome of advancing objectively awful policy and rhetoric. This is not a discussion about potential harm that theoretically possible Trump actions might cause in some imaginary future, as most Trump-era threads and posts on these forums were.
The reality is real fear among real people for real reasons. Decent people have real concerns about real policies that have real outcomes involving real criminals that real Democrat prosecutors are really letting out of jail early and sometimes not putting in jail in the first place. All of this is really done under the guise of an objectively false narrative of white supremacy pervading our society, culture and institutions, most notably law enforcement.
Real cops shared their real opinions in this thread. Real cops are quitting in real droves. Real shortages of qualified applicants are what we have to replace them with right now. Real individuals who are really cut out for the work as it existed prior to Obama are checking out of the profession and never signing up to begin with.
Now we’re here, with real Democrats using real words to suggest that lack of gun control is really behind the rising violence, and that Republicans are the ones who actually want to defund the police.
