That makes no sense, and doesn’t fit with your previous answers. If the right to violently rebel against a tyrannical regime lies within an individual, and if he has the right to request and accept allies, than the wars are justified through his circumstances alone.
It seems to me you’re forced to retreat, perhaps redefining the right to violent rebellion as some sort of right birthed from consensus. A national-collective right.[/quote]
Something orion said ‘makes no sense, and doesn’t fit with’ his ‘previous answer’? Are you sure? His comparison of President Obama to Adolf Hitler seemed sound to me.
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Link please, I seem to have missed that post.
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‘Hitler had less power when he was chancellor than any current US President’ - You want to deny this or play semantics? Go search for this crap yourself.
That makes no sense, and doesn’t fit with your previous answers. If the right to violently rebel against a tyrannical regime lies within an individual, and if he has the right to request and accept allies, than the wars are justified through his circumstances alone.
It seems to me you’re forced to retreat, perhaps redefining the right to violent rebellion as some sort of right birthed from consensus. A national-collective right.[/quote]
Something orion said ‘makes no sense, and doesn’t fit with’ his ‘previous answer’? Are you sure? His comparison of President Obama to Adolf Hitler seemed sound to me.
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Link please, I seem to have missed that post.
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‘Hitler had less power when he was chancellor than any current US President’ - You want to deny this or play semantics? Go search for this crap yourself.[/quote]
[quote]orion wrote:
No I do not, because no matter how bad someone else wants your help it is up to you if and how you help.
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The Orion “Fuck You, You Can Suffer 'Cause I Have No Obligation To Help” School of Ethics.[/quote]
As opposed to the Chushin “hell yeah, Ill help no mather how many villages I have to wipe out” doctrine?
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I have helped countless people in countless ways, and never once wiped out a village.
While I’m sure the 2nd half of that sentence is probably true for you, too, I’m just as sure the first half is not.[/quote]
No, you just financed it and had it done in your name.
Anyhow, that was not the point, the question was whether the individual right of one to rebel could somehow be seen as justification to come down on a country like the four horsemen of the apocalypse.
Also, you did not even burn down one itsy bitsy tiny cottage?
Another great Pat Condell video. But a correction if I may: bin Laden/AQ declared war(in writing) on the US in 1996 not via the 9/11 attacks. Apparently responding to the Saudi’s requests for military assistance during the first Gulf War comprises ‘occupying the holy lands’. Osama bin Laden’s ‘resistance’ to this ‘occupation’ comprised:
A plot to assassinate the Pope.
A plot to blow up 10 trans-Atlantic airliners mid-flight with nitroglycerine bombs.
An attempt to blow up a trans-Atlanic airliner which resulted in a Japanese businessman getting his legs blown off then bleeding to death and the maiming of 11 other passengers.
Detonating two truck bombs outside US embassies in East Africa killing 200+ Africans and maiming 5000+.
A plot to bomb civilians at the Christmas markets near Strasbourg Cathedral.
A plot to murder US and Israeli tourists in Jordan during the mellenial celebrations.
A plot to truck bomb Los Angeles International Airport.
The attack on the US Cole.
In addition, prior to the declaration of war in 1996 bin Laden/AQ:
Bombed a hotel in Yemen killing two Australian tourists.
and
Truck bombed the world trade centre killing 7 and maiming 100+. The intention was to topple the towers and kill 100,000+ people.
Also note that Pat Condell spends almost as much time criticising Christianity/religion in general as he does criticising Islam. He’s one of those ‘I’m so clever because I’m an atheist’ atheists, with a little bit of ‘I’m not discriminating against Muslims because I shat on the Vatican and the CofE too’ thrown in.
Another great Pat Condell video. But a correction if I may: bin Laden/AQ declared war(in writing) on the US in 1996 not via the 9/11 attacks. Apparently responding to the Saudi’s requests for military assistance during the first Gulf War comprises ‘occupying the holy lands’. Osama bin Laden’s ‘resistance’ to this ‘occupation’ comprised:
A plot to assassinate the Pope.
A plot to blow up 10 trans-Atlantic airliners mid-flight with nitroglycerine bombs.
An attempt to blow up a trans-Atlanic airliner which resulted in a Japanese businessman getting his legs blown off then bleeding to death and the maiming of 11 other passengers.
Detonating two truck bombs outside US embassies in East Africa killing 200+ Africans and maiming 5000+.
A plot to bomb civilians at the Christmas markets near Strasbourg Cathedral.
A plot to murder US and Israeli tourists in Jordan during the mellenial celebrations.
A plot to truck bomb Los Angeles International Airport.
The attack on the US Cole.
In addition, prior to the declaration of war in 1996 bin Laden/AQ:
Bombed a hotel in Yemen killing two Australian tourists.
and
Truck bombed the world trade centre killing 7 and maiming 100+. The intention was to topple the towers and kill 100,000+ people.
Also note that Pat Condell spends almost as much time criticising Christianity/religion in general as he does criticising Islam. He’s one of those ‘I’m so clever because I’m an atheist’ atheists, with a little bit of ‘I’m not discriminating against Muslims because I shat on the Vatican and the CofE too’ thrown in.[/quote]
You missed some:
"Ghriba synagogue suicide bombing kills 14 German tourists, five Tunisians, two French nationals, and wounds more than 30 others
The Ghriba synagogue bombing was a deadly bombing carried out by Niser bin Muhammad Nasar Nawar in Tunisia on the El Ghriba synagogue.
On April 11, 2002, a natural gas truck fitted with explosives drove past security barriers at the ancient Ghriba Synagogue on the Tunisian island of Djerba. The truck detonated at the front of the synagogue, killing 14 German tourists, five Tunisians, and two French nationals. More than 30 others were wounded.
Although the attack was initially called an accident, as Tunisia, France, and Germany investigated, it became clear the attack was deliberate. A 24 year-old man named Nizar Nawar was the suicide bomber, who carried out the attack with the aid of a relative. Al Qaeda later claimed responsibility for the attack, which was reportedly organized by Khalid Sheikh Mohammed" (from wiki-islam)
He was just doing some ‘research’ on Western degeneracy.[/quote]
It’s hilarious. You’ve got the leader of the world’s largest terrorist group of conservative muslims (who btw wants all women to convert and wear unrevealing burkas) who’s not only looking at porn, but hides behind his wife when confronted by soldiers. Plus, the wife charges at them and is shot? Is that the case?
The so-called Caliph is a closet pervert hiding behind his wife’s skirt! Wow!
I want to know what strange factoid will be revealed next!
Did anyone ever really think that this whole Muslim charade was any more than that? They hate the west out of jealousy. Nothing more. If they had what we had they would be living the way we live. The terrorists are a bunch of hypocritical psychopathic killers.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Did anyone ever really think that this whole Muslim charade was any more than that? They hate the west out of jealousy. Nothing more. If they had what we had they would be living the way we live. The terrorists are a bunch of hypocritical psychopathic killers. [/quote]
yes they are. It’s sad really, and has everything to do with their brainwashed upbringing (not that they have some legitimate concerns against the U.S., but nothing that justifies blowing the shit out of people).
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Did anyone ever really think that this whole Muslim charade was any more than that? They hate the west out of jealousy. Nothing more. If they had what we had they would be living the way we live. The terrorists are a bunch of hypocritical psychopathic killers. [/quote]
yes they are. It’s sad really, and has everything to do with their brainwashed upbringing (not that they have some legitimate concerns against the U.S., but nothing that justifies blowing the shit out of people).[/quote]
depends on how far back in history you want to go. If you trace it back to it’s origins, the muslims declared war on Byzantium and the Persian Empire and everyone else within reach.
