Disinformation 101: if you cannot defeat your intellectual betters in an argument invent terms to slander them with; for example, when one questions the official story from the propaganda machine re the death of OBL it now will be met with the label, “deather”.
That is all.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
Just for the record, if he charged them with a scimitar he deserves at least 3 semi attractive virgins.
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What do Austrian dicktators get for chosing the cowards way out?[/quote]
What does that have to do with anything?[/quote]
kind of a parallel between the 2. Both hiding out. One mass murder was killed by soldiers while the other killed himself. Maybe Orion’s jealous of Bin Laden’s death, the same way he can’t understand why Mao is held as a great state leader while Hitler is hated.
The victorious write history, and if you’re not on their side, I guess your only recourse would be to revise history, which seems to be the case here.
Already.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]JESGPY wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]JESGPY wrote:
IF you want to change that feeling many have towards your country stop playing the victim role and open your eyes and see the world has been the victim of your country. And to change that you gotta start doing something.
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But this is nearly impossible, you see. They are mostly raised by government schools which indoctrinate them with propaganda about how awesome the US government is for ALL HUMANITY; that and the fact that primitive minded people do not have what it takes to question authority – even if they could get over their own sheepishness to do so.
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Yes i know thats the huge obstacle in the way.
Thats why the few see what really is going on should do something. Even something as posting like i do.
But i just dont accept that people dont see what goes on. The government just messes with U.S. lives either by sending poor soldeirs to die for something they believe, and sadly is not true. Or by screwing your economy on purpose.
What they do is not fair for the world and its not fair for americans.
Something must be done. Doesnt matter if it seems insignificant, it will make a diference. At least you’ll who really is hitting you.[/quote]
All we can do is change people’s minds as peacefully as we can.
That is the only moral way to do it.
We cannot change the world with a snipers bullet.[/quote]
remember this quote: â??When someone tells you he wants to kill you – believe him.’
No pacifism in the world can stop these people’s hatred. They may not hate us because of our freedoms, but they have been fighting a holy war against Christians, Jews, Budhists, Hindus, since the get-go. The only way we can stop them is to convince them the Koran is wrong, and that ain’t happening.
Think about it…
Do you really think we should have sat down with Bin Laden and tried to change his mind??
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
I get a kick out of some posters who think that the Navy Seal team might have done something wrong. In reality the only thing they could have done wrong was aim, shoot and miss. And since we know they hit their target that pretty much settles it for me.
Job well done guys.[/quote]
Yeah because we all know taking orders to kill people is an awesome way of life.[/quote]
No, because we all know that Bin Laden, by his own admission was guilty. And as the brains behind 9-11, and many other attacks against the USA had to be eliminated one way or the other. It would have been fine with me if they had captured him. I am not a blood thirsty person. But apparently they could not so so. Barring that possibility we killed him. Furthermore, with him out of circulation that might, just might prevent other innocent people from dying.
So yeah, good job Navy Seals.[/quote]
I cant belive you still think he planed 9-11…
you gotta wake up.
Please dont tell me you also belive the 2008 economic crisis was an accident.
I don’t want to interupt the 9/11 truth/Sasquash/Kennedy assassination/moon landing shit, but to get back to the thread…
Remember this guy? He’s the one who actually masterminded 9/11 and carried it out. Bin Laden just gave his blessings and some money he got from our Saudi/UAE friends. Khalid is being fed, clothed and housed by the American taxpayer. His guards have to wear surgical gloves when they want to check his Qaran for contraband. We don’t want to upset him afterall, do we?
Also, Obama’s plan to close down GITMO was a really good idea. Their own countries won’t take them back so these guys should be released on some sort of parole and ‘integrated’ into the community, right? I’m also of the opinion that they deserve compensation for the torture(read waterboarding as opposed to eyes gauged out, fingers cut off etc) they went through.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
Which enlightened, humane, and transcendental country are you a citizen of, then?[/quote]
He has answered where he is from on the previous page.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Alpha F wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
Which enlightened, humane, and transcendental country are you a citizen of, then?[/quote]
He has answered where he is from on the previous page.
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Yeah, I edited my note to that effect, but it didn’t “stick” for some reason…
I also pointed out the very serious domestic problems his country has (like unfair distribution of wealth), and suggested he may want to hate his own government before he attends to ours…[/quote]
for real, I’ve seen this time and time again on this forum. People are quick to bash the U.S. while they seemingly ignore their own government.
Well there are several different sets of beliefs on here. I’m not going to go of on a rant but I need to get some questions out there.
[quote]limburg wrote:
Well there are several different sets of beliefs on here. I’m not going to go of on a rant but I need to get some questions out there.
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I have the right not to be gangraped when I want to board a plane.
I have the right not to have all my bank transactions monitored and photocopied.
I have the right not to be kidnapped or murdered just because my president says so.
I have the right not to be indefinitely detained.
I have the right not to have my doctors or lawyers records being copied without me even knowing it.
I hav the right not to have my belongings confiscated just because some dick with a badge thinks its drug money.
I have the right not to have piled charges upon charges piled on me until I plead guilty just so that I do not spend an eternity in jail.
I have the right to be reasonably sure that no cop is going to break into my home, beat me up or kill me without any repercussions whatsoever.
I have the right to a trial where the government needs to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that I am guilty.
I do not live in a country where the IRS, immigration or the fucking fish and wildlife administration has pimped out SWAT teams.
I have the right not to have my house surrounded and my wife and child killed by a sniper.
I have a right not to be taxed even if I make my money outside of my country.
I have the right to not have every phone call and e-mail monitored.
I have the right to get a passport without having to fill out a form demanding to know whether my uncles pediatritian was circumsized or had halitosis.
I have the right to cross to cross the border with being submitted to intense questioning, heavy fondling or hour long waiting lines, in fact I crossed it several times without even knowing it. I did find out though at the next village for my Hungarian is nonexistent.
Is that enought for starters or do we need more?
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
Just for the record, if he charged them with a scimitar he deserves at least 3 semi attractive virgins.
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What do Austrian dicktators get for chosing the cowards way out?[/quote]
LOL![/quote]
See?
I knew someone would be up to the task.
Maybe you could take some time to think about the fact that when Hitler came to power he had much less of an army and much less power as a chancellor than any current American president has.
Now all you need to do is fall on hard times and the stage is already set.
But wait, no, that cannot be, because we all know that the German people were much less educated and civilised than their Anglosaxon counterparts.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
Just for the record, if he charged them with a scimitar he deserves at least 3 semi attractive virgins.
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What do Austrian dicktators get for chosing the cowards way out?[/quote]
LOL![/quote]
See?
I knew someone would be up to the task.
Maybe you could take some time to think about the fact that when Hitler came to power he had much less of an army and much less power as a chancellor than any current American president has.
Now all you need to do is fall on hard times and the stage is already set.
But wait, no, that cannot be, because we all know that the German people were much less educated and civilised than their Anglosaxon counterparts.
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edited- I re-read your list. Ok, I agree. Though at first glance, I got the wrong impression, so I take back my remarks about it…
So far, since 9-11, we have not boycotted Muslim businesses, had government programs to shut down mosques, marginilized muslims, stopped muslims from marrying non-muslims or having sex with them, stopped people from hiring muslims, forced muslims to wear identifying badges, or forced muslims to live in ghettos.
Hey, when the Baader Meinhof Gang was bombing Germany in the 70’s…what exactly did Germany do to stop them? What rules did Germany put into effect? Maybe we can learn from you.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Alpha F wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
Which enlightened, humane, and transcendental country are you a citizen of, then?[/quote]
He has answered where he is from on the previous page.
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Yeah, I edited my note to that effect, but it didn’t “stick” for some reason…
I also pointed out the very serious domestic problems his country has (like unfair distribution of wealth), and suggested he may want to hate his own government before he attends to ours…[/quote]
Chushin.
Yes my countries government sucks. But the difference between yours and mine is that mine does not go around the world sticking their noses where they have nothing to do, creating war.
Man I live confortably down here. Its you guys (Americans) the one that suffer the problems your country causes. You are the ones that live in fear, you are the ones that have their freedoms taken away so that you can be “better protected”, you are the ones that have friends and family sent fight a nonsense war. I know this people enlist voluntarily because they are patriots, and that something honorable, but honor they courage buy making them trully defend your country, not to do some peoples dirty work.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Alpha F wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
Which enlightened, humane, and transcendental country are you a citizen of, then?[/quote]
He has answered where he is from on the previous page.
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Yeah, I edited my note to that effect, but it didn’t “stick” for some reason…
I also pointed out the very serious domestic problems his country has (like unfair distribution of wealth), and suggested he may want to hate his own government before he attends to ours…[/quote]
Yes, I edited my post as well because I did not want to appear to be intruding.
But your point above is interesting because I showed this post to my husband and he said something in the same lines as yourself.
Do these countries not ask and welcome US help and intervention? Is it fair to then complain that the superpower “gives to get” ( if that is what the perception of help from the USA is?).
In a way, isn’t there a similarity between codependent relationships between people? it takes two to tango, so are countries in South America really to resent US relations with them? Couldn’t they just have said “No, thanks for your help USA. We can help ourselves.”
Would Brazil, for example be where they are now without the help from the USA?
Brazil owes a huge debt to the USA:
[quote]orion wrote:
See?
I knew someone would be up to the task.
Maybe you could take some time to think about the fact that when Hitler came to power he had much less of an army and much less power as a chancellor than any current American president has.
Now all you need to do is fall on hard times and the stage is already set.
But wait, no, that cannot be, because we all know that the German people were much less educated and civilised than their Anglosaxon counterparts.
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‘Hitler…had much less power as chancellor than any current American president has?’
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
Just for the record, if he charged them with a scimitar he deserves at least 3 semi attractive virgins.
[/quote]
What do Austrian dicktators get for chosing the cowards way out?[/quote]
LOL![/quote]
See?
I knew someone would be up to the task.
Maybe you could take some time to think about the fact that when Hitler came to power he had much less of an army and much less power as a chancellor than any current American president has.
Now all you need to do is fall on hard times and the stage is already set.
But wait, no, that cannot be, because we all know that the German people were much less educated and civilised than their Anglosaxon counterparts.
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edited- I re-read your list. Ok, I agree. Though at first glance, I got the wrong impression, so I take back my remarks about it…
So far, since 9-11, we have not boycotted Muslim businesses, had government programs to shut down mosques, marginilized muslims, stopped muslims from marrying non-muslims or having sex with them, stopped people from hiring muslims, forced muslims to wear identifying badges, or forced muslims to live in ghettos.
Hey, when the Baader Meinhof Gang was bombing Germany in the 70’s…what exactly did Germany do to stop them? What rules did Germany put into effect? Maybe we can learn from you.
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I am afraid you cant, because the Germans reacted the exact same way you did, just not in such a ineffective manner.
The funny thing is that this is exactly what the RAF wanted. because they predicted that if they could force the state “to show its true colors”, i.e. become increasingly fscist and authoritarian that the people would rise up and smash it.
Did not quite turn out that way.
[quote]Alpha F wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Alpha F wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
Which enlightened, humane, and transcendental country are you a citizen of, then?[/quote]
He has answered where he is from on the previous page.
[/quote]
Yeah, I edited my note to that effect, but it didn’t “stick” for some reason…
I also pointed out the very serious domestic problems his country has (like unfair distribution of wealth), and suggested he may want to hate his own government before he attends to ours…[/quote]
Yes, I edited my post as well because I did not want to appear to be intruding.
But your point above is interesting because I showed this post to my husband and he said something in the same lines as yourself.
Do these countries not ask and welcome US help and intervention? Is it fair to then complain that the superpower “gives to get” ( if that is what the perception of help from the USA is?).
In a way, isn’t there a similarity between codependent relationships between people? it takes two to tango, so are countries in South America really to resent US relations with them? Couldn’t they just have said “No, thanks for your help USA. We can help ourselves.”
Would Brazil, for example be where they are now without the help from the USA?
Brazil owes a huge debt to the USA:
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2010/08/us-brazil-debt.php
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“The countries” do no such thing, ever, some parts of their population do.
Not surprisingly they usually end up in power afterwards.