[quote]kakno wrote:
Don’t feed the troll. Even if the troll doesn’t realize he is a troll.
This thread is about Osama Bin Laden Being killed[/quote]
Troll should go open a thread titled “Osama Bin Laden is alive and was not responsible for 9/11 It was the Illuminati and the guy DevGru shot was actually Bigfoot”.
[quote]kakno wrote:
Don’t feed the troll. Even if the troll doesn’t realize he is a troll.
This thread is about Osama Bin Laden Being killed[/quote]
[quote]RSGZ wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
lol[/quote]
HAHAHAHAH![/quote]
Brilliant. Love it.
[quote]Johny23 wrote:
To all who think that 9/11 wasn’t inside job please explain how 2 planes made 3 buildings (WTC 1, 2 and 7) collapse. And not just regularly collapse, BUT collapse in their own footprint in nearly free fall speed. Mentioning that official explanation report that said that burning jet fuel somehow made all columns collapse simultaneously is just plain stupid. And burning jet fuel doesn’t even reach the melting point of steel![/quote]
I thought it was said that there were detonators to bring down the buildings. Why would you NOT want a “controlled demolition” so the buildings could fall straight down as opposed to topple over and destroy surrounding buildings? Meaning, why would you think their free fall qualifies the incident as a conspiracy?
Give me a break. People love to circle jerk over this shit.
Let me guess, you watched the Loose Change video?
[quote]postholedigger wrote:
[quote]kakno wrote:
Don’t feed the troll. Even if the troll doesn’t realize he is a troll.
This thread is about Osama Bin Laden Being killed[/quote]
Troll should go open a thread titled “Osama Bin Laden is alive and was not responsible for 9/11 It was the Illuminati and the guy DevGru shot was actually Bigfoot”.[/quote]
[quote]Johny23 wrote:
[quote]postholedigger wrote:
[quote]Johny23 wrote:
[quote]Nards wrote:
Also, for the conspiracy nuts: How come you’re so skeptical about melting steel when a plane full of fuel hits a building filled with tables, chairs and many things made of plastic, but not more skeptical about your far-gone story?[/quote]
Are you saying that burning plastic garbage bins made steel framed building collapse? Do you even comprehend what you are saying? Do you understand the size those columns were?
The ignorance and stupidity of people make me sad.[/quote]
He says, “a plane full of fuel hits a building filled with etc, etc” and all you take away from it is tables and chairs? Do YOU even comprehend what you’re saying?
Your ignorance and stupidity makes me…HAPPY I’M NOT YOU![/quote]
Please read a page back where it started. The burning jet fuel doesn’t reach the melting point of steel and he argues that office supplies are the reason steel framed building collapsed. That’s what I was responding to. I’m even more glad I’m not you.
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Listen mouthbreather,
What does it feel like being a bipedal walking breathing bowel movement of a person?
Tin foil hat ? Check.
Elvis bell-bottom pants with alien DNA? Check.
Obama birth certificate with LWI logo? Check.
It’s official, this has to be Headhunter.
Middle eastern
Maximus whats an LWI logo?
The only part of the conspiracy theories that really get me about 9/11 are the photos/videos of the pentagon. The ones that show the Pentagon wall falling…to me what I don’t understand is that one single plane can take down one of the WTCs(which I believe) but for some odd reason one single plane can’t take out one side of the pentagon?
Also I like to think that Osama isn’t dead, but he was captured and is being held in some type of high security place…where either way he will never see the light of day again, but they do wanto get some info out of him. That’s atleast what I like to think.
p.s. Can someone explain this new helicopter that the seals had?
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Cheeky_Kea wrote:
Yep I think we could both find plenty of evidence to support our points of view and I must say the jury is still out on the whole thing for me as I
can see ethical dilemmas with each side.
I must admit I have a deeply uneasy dstrust about Governments and primate politics in general and the more I find out about what they really do in the name of “duty” or for the “general good” the more disgusted I am.
The funny thing is what really goes on is so bad that no one really needs to invent stupid conspiracy theories.
Appreciate the dissussion. cheers.[/quote]
However ‘uneasy’ you are about our governments, I’m afraid it’s either ‘with us or against us’ in this war as in any other. There’s no fence to sit on between AQ/Taliban/sponsor states and Western democracies.
Also, releasing the full names of BNP members(a hated anti-Islamisation/anti-immigration nationalist party), which can be used to find addresses via phone books or electoral roles, is an act of out-and-out cyber-terrorism.
Cheers.[/quote]
I’m not sitting on the fence, my world view just isn’t black and white, you’re either for us or against us. This is the mentality of war mongers and their dupes.
As for the BNP they are also vehemently racist, homophobic, mysogynistic and have direct links with the National front.
So they have been exposed.
However if you’re doing a publically funded job (teacher, judge, policeman etc) and you’re a member of an organisation that both implicitly and explicitly discriminates against large sections of the public, and that has been strongly associated with violence against those sections, it’s probably more unacceptable for those people to hold on to those types of jobs. Overtly racist Police officers in the inner city are not conducive to harmony.
I may not really agree with losing your job based on your political affliations, but these are people that are actually regarded in Britain as “risk factors” …but, there are some dicey legal issues and I would feel anyone who was accidently on that list or just a family member of someone on it or on it but had renounced them would be tarred with the same brush and hard done by.
But then there is always “collateral damage” to innocents isn’t there?
Also, here is a quote from the Times that dissolves much of the sympathy I may have harboured for them.
The BNP said in a statement on its website that it had lodged a complaint with Dyfed-Powys Police on the grounds that the “disgraceful act of treachery” breached human rights and data protection law.
Mr Griffin admitted that the Human Rights Act was one of the BNP’s pet hates, but denied that using it to enforce the privacy of its members was hypocrisy.
“No, we are not in favour of the Human Rights Act, it is a European piece of legislation, but as it is there we will happily use it if we can,” he said.
However in general, Britain can rest easy as the BNP has a history of being sufficiently incompetent that they have never really politically succeeded anyhow.
Basically the BNP are last centuries terrorists — facists.
You also should be carefull about who you label a sponsor state as the western democracies have been sponsoring and in some cases training these factions you mention and have most certaining and demonstrably been arming them for years.
[quote]RSGZ wrote:
[quote]pro.nub wrote:
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]Johny23 wrote:
And burning jet fuel doesn’t even reach the melting point of steel![/quote]
lol[/quote]
You can’t just write lol and not explain what you’re lolling at.
Jet fuel burning temp. = ~290 degrees Celcius
Steel melting point(depending on type) = ~1400 degrees Celcius[/quote]
Jet fuel can burn over 1000 deg. celcius - again, I doubt ANY of us here are experts on this, you’re only going on what other people have said.
Fact is that you can every every point refuted in a logical argument, and you still won’t believe what is being presented to you.
This is the same as trying to tell religious people God doesn’t exist, and vice versa.[/quote]
Actually, I lol’d because structural steel fails before it melts. Something truthers don’t seem to understand.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Speaking of firefighters, (and not to derail this thread), have any of you seen the documentary film “102 Minutes That Changed America”? It was put together with footage taken by people who witnessed the event unfolding (not news media) from many different vantage points. Amazing emotional footage. I got really choked up seeing the firefighters going into the WTC,… a long line of them, one right after anther. These were the last images ever taken of these guys… the last time they would ever be seen on this earth.
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I’m in the process of trying to get hired as a FFer. In one of our classes our instructor showed us some clips from that video… Crazy stuff. There was a story about a fire captain (I believe) who was on his off day when he got the news. He went to the station to grab his gear and everyone was already gone. He was driving to the WTC and got stuck in gridlock traffic 2 miles from ground zero so he got all geared up, left his car in the road and took off running in between the stopped traffic to get in there and help. That was the last time anyone ever saw him was all geared up running through traffic to go help.
Talk about moving stuff. I don’t think there was a dry eye in the class.[/quote]
Damn.
I saw an interview on TV a few days ago with the father of one of the lost firefighters. He said he was on his cellphone talking to his son who was in the lobby of the WTC with many other fitrfighters when they all started scrambling for the exits… after hearing the building collapsing above them. Needless to say his son never made it out. Brave heroes almost seems too light a term for these men.
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Good luck with getting into the FF Greg, you’ll do them proud.
The link is a related story, when I read your post I thought of the Towers to Tunnel Run.
I think we have to constantly remind ourselves of selfless people who have done so much. It really puts the “problems” in our own life into perspective.
[quote]Cheeky_Kea wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Cheeky_Kea wrote:
Yep I think we could both find plenty of evidence to support our points of view and I must say the jury is still out on the whole thing for me as I
can see ethical dilemmas with each side.
I must admit I have a deeply uneasy dstrust about Governments and primate politics in general and the more I find out about what they really do in the name of “duty” or for the “general good” the more disgusted I am.
The funny thing is what really goes on is so bad that no one really needs to invent stupid conspiracy theories.
Appreciate the dissussion. cheers.[/quote]
However ‘uneasy’ you are about our governments, I’m afraid it’s either ‘with us or against us’ in this war as in any other. There’s no fence to sit on between AQ/Taliban/sponsor states and Western democracies.
Also, releasing the full names of BNP members(a hated anti-Islamisation/anti-immigration nationalist party), which can be used to find addresses via phone books or electoral roles, is an act of out-and-out cyber-terrorism.
Cheers.[/quote]
I’m not sitting on the fence, my world view just isn’t black and white, you’re either for us or against us. This is the mentality of war mongers and their dupes.
As for the BNP they are also vehemently racist, homophobic, mysogynistic and have direct links with the National front.
So they have been exposed.
However if you’re doing a publically funded job (teacher, judge, policeman etc) and you’re a member of an organisation that both implicitly and explicitly discriminates against large sections of the public, and that has been strongly associated with violence against those sections, it’s probably more unacceptable for those people to hold on to those types of jobs. Overtly racist Police officers in the inner city are not conducive to harmony.
I may not really agree with losing your job based on your political affliations, but these are people that are actually regarded in Britain as “risk factors” …but, there are some dicey legal issues and I would feel anyone who was accidently on that list or just a family member of someone on it or on it but had renounced them would be tarred with the same brush and hard done by.
But then there is always “collateral damage” to innocents isn’t there?
Also, here is a quote from the Times that dissolves much of the sympathy I may have harboured for them.
The BNP said in a statement on its website that it had lodged a complaint with Dyfed-Powys Police on the grounds that the “disgraceful act of treachery” breached human rights and data protection law.
Mr Griffin admitted that the Human Rights Act was one of the BNP’s pet hates, but denied that using it to enforce the privacy of its members was hypocrisy.
“No, we are not in favour of the Human Rights Act, it is a European piece of legislation, but as it is there we will happily use it if we can,” he said.
However in general, Britain can rest easy as the BNP has a history of being sufficiently incompetent that they have never really politically succeeded anyhow.
Basically the BNP are last centuries terrorists — facists.
You also should be carefull about who you label a sponsor state as the western democracies have been sponsoring and in some cases training these factions you mention and have most certaining and demonstrably been arming them for years.
[/quote]
I don’t support the BNP because their leaders are neo-Nazis who decided to change the image of the party after 9/11 to garner widespread support.
I DO support the pretend agenda of the BNP of ending immigration and ending the racism that white people have to suffer on a daily basis in their own country.
Whilst I don’t support the BNP I believe that their members, most of whom AREN’T neo-Nazis, deserve the right to join whatever political party they like without cyber-terror attacks.
Part of running a state from a practical point of view is choosing the lesser of evils and helping the enemy of your enemy. Realpolick is exactly that. Living in the real world instead of criticising the most civilised snd fair countries on earth from your armchair in the midst of a worldwide war.
[quote]hwh89 wrote:
Ahh at the end of the Day most of the worlds problems are caused by the United States, what nice world it must be to put all the blame of your society onto another one LOL.
And this ladies and Gentlemen is why the U.S. is unique, we do not blame another society for our problems we blame ourselves and try to make it better. This is why the Middle East is stuck in the fucken Dark Ages.
Ok, as expected everyone will just ignore the points I have made because you can’t explain them. Even if you believe that the WTCs could have fallen due to only the planes hitting, it still doesn’t make other pieces of evidence that are not conguent with the official explanation go away.
Nono-thermite found in WTC dust
Molten steel pouring from a window pre-collapse, and found weeks after under rubble
and the size of the hole in the pentagon, not to mention the flight path it took to get there
There is more, but I won’t post too many, We’ll see if there’s explanations for these first.
on nano-thermite: debunking911.com - contact with domain owner | Epik.com
read that whole thing.
so there’s that. sure there is plenty more of points you will want explained, but the fact is, all of these are already refuted on the internet. get to reading.
pentagon flight path: Flight Path
pentagon hole: 9/11: A Boeing 757 Struck the Pentagon, page 1 - ctrl+f ‘hole’. get to reading.
molten steel: debunking911.com - contact with domain owner | Epik.com
get to reading.
get the point?
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Cheeky_Kea wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Cheeky_Kea wrote:
Yep I think we could both find plenty of evidence to support our points of view and I must say the jury is still out on the whole thing for me as I
can see ethical dilemmas with each side.
I must admit I have a deeply uneasy dstrust about Governments and primate politics in general and the more I find out about what they really do in the name of “duty” or for the “general good” the more disgusted I am.
The funny thing is what really goes on is so bad that no one really needs to invent stupid conspiracy theories.
Appreciate the dissussion. cheers.[/quote]
However ‘uneasy’ you are about our governments, I’m afraid it’s either ‘with us or against us’ in this war as in any other. There’s no fence to sit on between AQ/Taliban/sponsor states and Western democracies.
Also, releasing the full names of BNP members(a hated anti-Islamisation/anti-immigration nationalist party), which can be used to find addresses via phone books or electoral roles, is an act of out-and-out cyber-terrorism.
Cheers.[/quote]
I’m not sitting on the fence, my world view just isn’t black and white, you’re either for us or against us. This is the mentality of war mongers and their dupes.
As for the BNP they are also vehemently racist, homophobic, mysogynistic and have direct links with the National front.
So they have been exposed.
However if you’re doing a publically funded job (teacher, judge, policeman etc) and you’re a member of an organisation that both implicitly and explicitly discriminates against large sections of the public, and that has been strongly associated with violence against those sections, it’s probably more unacceptable for those people to hold on to those types of jobs. Overtly racist Police officers in the inner city are not conducive to harmony.
I may not really agree with losing your job based on your political affliations, but these are people that are actually regarded in Britain as “risk factors” …but, there are some dicey legal issues and I would feel anyone who was accidently on that list or just a family member of someone on it or on it but had renounced them would be tarred with the same brush and hard done by.
But then there is always “collateral damage” to innocents isn’t there?
Also, here is a quote from the Times that dissolves much of the sympathy I may have harboured for them.
The BNP said in a statement on its website that it had lodged a complaint with Dyfed-Powys Police on the grounds that the “disgraceful act of treachery” breached human rights and data protection law.
Mr Griffin admitted that the Human Rights Act was one of the BNP’s pet hates, but denied that using it to enforce the privacy of its members was hypocrisy.
“No, we are not in favour of the Human Rights Act, it is a European piece of legislation, but as it is there we will happily use it if we can,” he said.
However in general, Britain can rest easy as the BNP has a history of being sufficiently incompetent that they have never really politically succeeded anyhow.
Basically the BNP are last centuries terrorists — facists.
You also should be carefull about who you label a sponsor state as the western democracies have been sponsoring and in some cases training these factions you mention and have most certaining and demonstrably been arming them for years.
[/quote]
I don’t support the BNP because their leaders are neo-Nazis who decided to change the image of the party after 9/11 to garner widespread support.
I DO support the pretend agenda of the BNP of ending immigration and ending the racism that white people have to suffer on a daily basis in their own country.
Whilst I don’t support the BNP I believe that their members, most of whom AREN’T neo-Nazis, deserve the right to join whatever political party they like without cyber-terror attacks.
Part of running a state from a practical point of view is choosing the lesser of evils and helping the enemy of your enemy. Realpolick is exactly that. Living in the real world instead of criticising the most civilised snd fair countries on earth from your armchair in the midst of a worldwide war.[/quote]
Would your zeal to uphold their political affliation rights still hold if they were (hypothetically made up name) “the support jihad end crusader/zionist/infidel ambitions party” ? or would the leaks then be “usefull intelligence” on “enemies of the state” if they were terrorists intsead of facists.
Living in the real world for some people is getting bombed, occupied, starved to death, and massacred by so called civillised countries and then being told that your country is the one that is uncivilised.
If realpolick is as you describe then it should be no suprise when it bites you on the ass and when you have to eat your own shit that it doesn’t taste very nice.
Your own armchair must be worn out by now.
