[quote]pro.nub wrote:
Wow! I don’t post much hear but lurk a lot and can tell that most of you guys are intelligent people. However, it seems that the vast majority of you all believe that Osama and Al Qaeda were solely resposible for 9/11.
Seriously, do none of you question the large number of pieces of evidence pointing towards an inside job?
I understand that with mainstream media and the whole ‘Patriotic’ thing, it may be hard to question it, but surely you are intelligent to realise that it doesn’t all add up.[/quote]
There would have to be literally hundreds of people involved if it were an inside job.
Number of people who have come forward and admitted what they “did”: 0
There’s nothing intelligent about thinking 9/11 was an inside job. Occam’s razor applies here.[/quote]
Occam’s fucking razor? For Christ’s sake! I can’t believe people are even responding to these whackos let alone discussing philosophical and physical reasons that support the ‘theory’ that Jihadists flew commercial airliners into the world trade centre. It’s a FACT. Anyone who suggests otherwise is a moron/nutjob/Jihadist or some combination thereof. No debates, no lessons in physics, no replies, just fuck off![/quote]
Because someone might actually listen to the retard and take silence as acceptance of his stupidity.[/quote]
No one who has believed that AQ committed the 9/11 attacks for the last decade is going to be brainwashed suddenly by reading some load of bollocks about controlled demolitions and planes that weren’t really planes etc. Responding to this shite in an exercise in utter futility.
Yep I think we could both find plenty of evidence to support our points of view and I must say the jury is still out on the whole thing for me as I
can see ethical dilemmas with each side.
I must admit I have a deeply uneasy dstrust about Governments and primate politics in general and the more I find out about what they really do in the name of “duty” or for the “general good” the more disgusted I am.
The funny thing is what really goes on is so bad that no one really needs to invent stupid conspiracy theories.
Appreciate the dissussion. cheers.[/quote]
However ‘uneasy’ you are about our governments, I’m afraid it’s either ‘with us or against us’ in this war as in any other. There’s no fence to sit on between AQ/Taliban/sponsor states and Western democracies.
Also, releasing the full names of BNP members(a hated anti-Islamisation/anti-immigration nationalist party), which can be used to find addresses via phone books or electoral roles, is an act of out-and-out cyber-terrorism.
[quote]pro.nub wrote:
I can see that you are going to ignore most of my points if I post too many at once, so how about explaining a couple like:
Molten metal flowing from a window before collapse
The size of the hole in the pentagon[/quote]
The fires were really fucking hot?
Plane wings weren’t designed to stay affixed perpendicular to the plane after going through a fucking wall?[/quote]
The fires were hot, and it was mostly molten office equipment (which for some wacky reason, has metal components that melt).
Also, it was powdered aluminium and gypsum, not thermite, before it comes up again.[/quote]
The fires weren’t that hot. First of all most of the jet fuel would have burnt on impact as it burns rapidly and at around 285 degrees Celcius. Office furniture and equipment wouldn’t burn hot enough and would have burnt for less than an hour, not enough time to melt steel. And before anyone says aluminium, molten aluminium isn’t orange in colour.
The fires also weren’t that hot as the smoke coming from the building was black, indicating poor oxygen supply and therefore a cooler burning fire.
The wings would not have just popped off and caused zero damage to the building. Also at that speed the plane engines would have done a lot of damage and would not have vapourised the crash.
Here’s a lab report done on 4 samples of dust collected on or soon after 9/11 indicating the presence of active, unreacted thermitic substance produced with nanoparticle technology.
There is, in my mind, absolutely no doubt that there are (major) conspiracies that exist.
However, I don’t think 9/11 is one of them.
Sure, some things don’t add up completely, but then they never will. What you’re rehashing there, man, is something that you’ve read online. You’re not going to convince anyone differently, and part of that is because either it’s bullshit, or people don’t want to hear it.
You don’t know the facts because you’re likely not an expert in any of those fields, so you’re taking the opinions of other people which have as much credentials as anyone else on the internet.
To all who think that 9/11 wasn’t inside job please explain how 2 planes made 3 buildings (WTC 1, 2 and 7) collapse. And not just regularly collapse, BUT collapse in their own footprint in nearly free fall speed. Mentioning that official explanation report that said that burning jet fuel somehow made all columns collapse simultaneously is just plain stupid. And burning jet fuel doesn’t even reach the melting point of steel!
[quote]Johny23 wrote:
And burning jet fuel doesn’t even reach the melting point of steel![/quote]
lol[/quote]
You can’t just write lol and not explain what you’re lolling at.
Jet fuel burning temp. = ~290 degrees Celcius
Steel melting point(depending on type) = ~1400 degrees Celcius
[quote]Johny23 wrote:
And burning jet fuel doesn’t even reach the melting point of steel![/quote]
lol[/quote]
You can’t just write lol and not explain what you’re lolling at.
Jet fuel burning temp. = ~290 degrees Celcius
Steel melting point(depending on type) = ~1400 degrees Celcius[/quote]
Jet fuel can burn over 1000 deg. celcius - again, I doubt ANY of us here are experts on this, you’re only going on what other people have said.
Fact is that you can every every point refuted in a logical argument, and you still won’t believe what is being presented to you.
This is the same as trying to tell religious people God doesn’t exist, and vice versa.
Also, for the conspiracy nuts: How come you’re so skeptical about melting steel when a plane full of fuel hits a building filled with tables, chairs and many things made of plastic, but not more skeptical about your far-gone story?
