Orlando Terror Attacks

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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The FBI fucked up with the Boston bombing too, Russia warned us about the older brother, and he was arrested for a domestic violence charge which means he could have been deported.

Government also fucked up with the shooter wife in the San Bernardino shooting, she was granted a fiancé visa even though she had all sorts of ISIS/Jihad bullshit on her social media.

Government fucks up because they don’t care. You are secure a job for life, can never be fired, and the lowest common denominator is you be a high school flunky.

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Ya, I agree. The government can suck at their job. No argument from me.

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I just read it took THREE HOURS to respond. Call was at 2AM SWAT team arrived at 5am

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This guy also passed a full background check for his guns.

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I think more shooters will be found

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… wow. In a major city too. What is average response time for SWAT? That seems like WAY too long. That makes thousands of rounds more understandable.

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http://fox6now.com/2016/06/12/orlando-mass-shooting-a-timeline-of-events-and-what-we-know/

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WHAT in the everloving fuck??

That’s fucking ridiculous. EDITED

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Ok, after reading through the timeline I am retracting my last statement until I hear and read more. I don’t know what the hold up with SWAT was, but it sounds like the local cops at least tried to do what they could in some capacity.

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If I am reading it right, SWAT did not storm the building until 5am…it does not say when they arrived on scene. I sounds like there were over a 100 cops there pretty quickly, as two uniformed cops working security engaged the suspect almost immediately.

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A police officer who was nearby responded quickly, but the SWAT team took 3 hours from the time of the initial call.

Article says:

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A tense standoff follows. Police say they had to wait three hours to access the situation, get armored vehicles on to the scene and make sure they had enough personnel.[/quote]

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I agree, from a statistical standpoint the actual risk is negligible, but human behavior is irrational and altered by such high profile events - sometimes in barely perceptible ways. And then there’s the government overreaction that will inevitably follow.

Statistically, air travel is the safest method of transportation, but many people have an irrational fear of flying. I also vividly remember half empty airport halls in the weeks and months following 9/11.

So unfortunately, this will have a negative impact on people’s lives in general - either through irrational fear or government interference.

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It took less than 30 seconds to find this:

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Apparently the man holding the door shut to the club was a survivor of the shooting. He helped two other men get out and then held the door shut while people were banging on it trying to get out. WTF?

skip to 12:15
Megyn questions him about it at 14:35

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How do you know he wasn’t fit? He used to work at Golds Gym, GNC and his ex claims he was full of roid rage.

TN check your user database :stuck_out_tongue:

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Negative.

It did not take SWAT 3 hours to respond, it took 3 hours for the order to be given. I was a SWAT tactical Commander for 8 years in a major city. Once the shooter was contained in the bathroom due to the 3 officers engaging him, and forcing a hostage/containment situation, then the dynamic changed. This was a fluid situation , not helped by the asshole calling the police to express his allegiance to ISIS.

Unless you have actually been on an entry team or have experience in close quarter battle, then you really cannot criticize the decisions made. Those of you with military experience know there is a chain of command, well, the police have the same thing. Orlando PD and Orange County SO have active shooter protocols and they followed their training, saving many lives. As i stated, once the shooter was contained the situation changed.

For those of you talking about the amount of ammo: On a daily basis, I carry 8 M-6 magazines (240 rounds) and 4 pistol magazines ( 68 rounds) with another 10 M-6 magazines in a backpack. Now that’s a lot of weight for a 20 mile ruck, but, to load a duffel bag with 20 magazines, drive to the location, and walk across the street is nothing.

As far as being being well trained, no, he wasn’t. The club had (according to the media) over 300 patrons. Take a look at the diagram. After making numerous entries, I can tell you this was a kill house with exits placed too far near the entrance with no back exit. A perfect place to trap people. If he was trained ( and not fired upon by the responding offciers, thus breaking his mindset) he would have had a 90 % kill rate.

If you are interested in taking steps for awareness due to an active shooter, this thread contains some good information:

Take a close look at the back of the club building, if he had not been forced into a confined space, and, was able to secure himself on the main floor, then the death count would ahve been higher:

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Thanks, Idaho.

Your practical insight is always appreciated.

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It’s now being reported the shooter was a closeted homosexual

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Well, that wouldn’t surprise me.

The amount of sexual repression and dysfunction among Muslim men, whether gay or straight, is truly staggering. For straight men, I think it really messes you up when you’re unable to establish any relationship (not taking about sex per se, but even simple social communication) with members of the opposite sex during your formative years.

I’ve worked in different ME countries (Lebanon is an exception) and it is truly incredible. Males watch porn at least several hours a day and closeted gays are filled with incredible amounts of self loathing and anger.

As a rule of thumb, if someone in a business or social setting in a ME country approaches a Westerner and starts foam-at-the-mouth ranting about gays, “decadence”, “degenerates” chances are he’ll proposition you for sex at some point in the future.

That’s why all sexual relationships tend to be SEVERELY dysfunctional, to say the least. For example, in a rural communities in Iran, if you’re outed as gay, you’re blackmailed by your neighbors and school colleagues into providing sexual services for them, lest they report you to the Religious police.

Same goes for the local police in these rural communities - access to gays is considered one of the job “perks” .

This results in pretty weird dichotomy - ME men who fiercely complain about seeing two men holding hands on TV, but laughingly admit that their first sexual experiences (and sometimes exclusively) were with the “village gay”.

Of course, if you told them that they might be gay, they would stab you on the spot.

On a construction site in SA, a colleague of mine tapped a local man on the shoulder (“hey man, you did a good job”), the guy later appeared in our dorms and asked him for sex, when refused threatened to call the police. Fortunately, we were working for a large multinational and managed to get my colleague out of the country before things got complicated.

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@loppar I read most of your posts and @Idaho’s with a sense of awe and my jaw on my chest.

Thanks to the both of you for such valuable contributions to these discussions.

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