if your looking at a permanent mass gain then im afraid that you will struggle with this cycle. The gains that you will keep are possible to make with extra quality calories over 8 weeks.
Take a look at the 2 weeker cycle logs and synergy between drugs if oral steroids are going to have to be the way for you.
Please make sure you understand the implications if 17aa steroids fully - i see you have mentioned liv52, but just re-read, are you experienced enough in the gym and kitchen to make the stress on your liver worth while.
[quote]tw1st wrote:
If you have any desire of keeping any of your gains not pissing your money away, you should probably throw some test in there.
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word. I basically just finished a cycle very similar to the one you are proposing and in retrospect I wish I didn’t. Don’t kid yourself, Dbol can very suppressive, even when followed by nolva.Point is, here is what I got out of my cycle: Shrunken nuts, zero libido and erections (during PCT), 10 lbs of mass, down to 5 lb gain at about 2 weeks post cycle. Some strength gain also. Was it fun? sure! but think of the opportunity cost of the situation. If you are going to shutdown your endogenous test, might as well throw in some test for 10 weeks and walk away from the matter with more size and strength.
[quote]hardhead57 wrote:
would u suggest dropping the dianabol[/quote]
I have little experience with dbol/winstrol only cycles. I can’t say either good or bad idea. Going with the whole Class I/Class II thinking it should be fine. But like I said I have never done it. I have little interest in all oral cycles. It is still my belief that most cycles should be test based.