Opinions on American Bulldogs.


Owned a working line german shepherd from age 23-36. greatest fucking dog ever, so smart, a clown at times and fearless protector, loved me more than anything. shepherds are friendly but aloof. loved to be near me but in his own space, e.g. not a lap dog.

not ready for another shepherd yet, i’ll get one eventually.

American Bulldogs Johnson vs Scott??? insight?

looking for a protector @ home but a loving dog who is smart and filled w/ desire to please and a strong drive. anyone w/ insight into the breed.

he’re is a picture of the father of the male pup i’m getting!!! beast but not silly. the way the population, in the hood in particular, have fucked up pitbulls is silly. oversized, so muscular that they cannot function or live well. the same stupid cocksuckers that fuck up that breed are the same poor ass folks who think it’s ok to just make stupid fucking babies w/ no consequence.

anyways…i digress, dog insight?

I’m not knowledgeable about these dogs but the ones I’ve been around didn’t seem like protectors. I would have guessed I could have jumped right in their backyards and started playing with them.

Cool dogs though. Strong as fuck.

I just got a pit. He’s about two months old now and growing super fast daily.

To address the post right above me, it is all about how they are raised. My dog goes crazy around other people right now. He likes people and other dogs. While he will likely become more aggressive and protective as he gets older, he isn’t going to change into some killing machine unless I trained him that way.

This dog is the smartest one I’ve had so far…and I had a German Shepherd also. Totally different attitudes and personality. My german shepherd was too big and single minded to ride in the car with me. This pit follows me around all day and has already picked up on how to act in the car. He is also house trained at only two months with only a few minor incidents that he hasn’t done again in weeks.

I want him to be a protector so I know I can’t bring him everywhere with me and will eventually have to let him stay outside way more to get that mindset.

From what I have seen with this one, it is ALL about the person raising them. I have a smart dog who stops when I tell him to stop, won’t even walk upstairs unless he pauses first to look at me to see if I give permission (I only told him to do this one time but he does it every time now). and who basically acts like I would if I lived on four legs and couldn’t speak.

They are strong willed though so the person who can’t be consistent with demands and training will get an out of control dog. I would imagine that alone is why so many have been mishandled. He gets really playful though around other people right now and stops following directions unless you speak firmly to him. Things like that, if let slide, would lead to problems getting older so you have to balance letting him be a puppy with making sure he doesn’t develop bad habits.

He tried chewing on the door panel once about 2 weeks ago but hasn’t done it since then after being reprimanded.

I wouldn’t peg this type as the kind you can leave in the back yard to grow on their own like a shepherd. They need to be taught and trained…almost like kids. They are too fucking strong to not raise them right.

I haven’t hit my dog once. To reprimand him I had been holding him by the neck and hitting the back of my own hand so he hears the sound and then putting him outside for a few minutes. That seems to be working so far.

[quote]cyruseven75 wrote:
American Bulldogs Johnson vs Scott??? insight?

looking for a protector @ home but a loving dog who is smart and filled w/ desire to please and a strong drive. anyone w/ insight into the breed.[/quote]

stay away from BULLY breeds

edit - to be clear, I’m kidding here

everyone will probably mention their dog, so here goes. I love Great Danes… our last one was rather skiddish but protective if needed. Our current guy is protective, out-going and a puppy at heart in a old dog’s body. He loves to chase balls or just lay around.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I just got a pit. He’s about two months old now and growing super fast daily.

To address the post right above me, it is all about how they are raised. My dog goes crazy around other people right now. He likes people and other dogs. While he will likely become more aggressive and protective as he gets older, he isn’t going to change into some killing machine unless I trained him that way.

This dog is the smartest one I’ve had so far…and I had a German Shepherd also. Totally different attitudes and personality. My german shepherd was too big and single minded to ride in the car with me. This pit follows me around all day and has already picked up on how to act in the car. He is also house trained at only two months with only a few minor incidents that he hasn’t done again in weeks.

I want him to be a protector so I know I can’t bring him everywhere with me and will eventually have to let him stay outside way more to get that mindset.

From what I have seen with this one, it is ALL about the person raising them. I have a smart dog who stops when I tell him to stop, won’t even walk upstairs unless he pauses first to look at me to see if I give permission (I only told him to do this one time but he does it every time now). and who basically acts like I would if I lived on four legs and couldn’t speak.

They are strong willed though so the person who can’t be consistent with demands and training will get an out of control dog. I would imagine that alone is why so many have been mishandled. He gets really playful though around other people right now and stops following directions unless you speak firmly to him. Things like that, if let slide, would lead to problems getting older so you have to balance letting him be a puppy with making sure he doesn’t develop bad habits.

He tried chewing on the door panel once about 2 weeks ago but hasn’t done it since then after being reprimanded.

I wouldn’t peg this type as the kind you can leave in the back yard to grow on their own like a shepherd. They need to be taught and trained…almost like kids. They are too fucking strong to not raise them right.

I haven’t hit my dog once. To reprimand him I had been holding him by the neck and hitting the back of my own hand so he hears the sound and then putting him outside for a few minutes. That seems to be working so far.[/quote]

X-

thanks for the opinion and insight, inherently having owned a shepherd who was a working dog…i get it, we mold them into the dog they become, most of our dog is a reflection of how we act feel and carry ourselves, take genetic predispositions and pour all of that into the mold of the outward projected US and that becomes the dog. many douchbags have douchbag dogs. it’s not 100% true but they act how we want them to act.

my rant in the beginning was more focused on LOOKS, much like bodybuilding, w/ pits and dogs similar this cross section of ghetto dumb fucks have suddenly become breeding experts and created dogs bred soley for a look verses breed stability. so we have some massive jacked pits who live to age 5 and then die of obscure illness, or can’t walk because of hip/joint malady. but…for the three years that ghostface36 walked the block he was nice kid.

i’m being a bit stereotypical to drive the point, overall americans fuck up dog breeding - breeding dogs for the wrong reasons. on an even more micro level, the cross section of hoodculture have fucked up pit size and structure for 20+yrs.

X- enjoy your boy!!! i miss my shepherd so much, i had him as mentioned from age 23 to 36…a hell of a run. fuck everything i own is named cyrus, that was his name.

We have a 3 year old ABD and he’s great. Very mellow, good with other dogs and kids, slayer of squirrels. I don’t know that I will go to any other breed from now on as I consider this breed to be the total package. As far has home protector goes, he does have some protective instincts and have no doubt he would give me warning of any intruder.

Oh just to add. Gas is about my only complaint with him, this breed can be very gassy so a good diet is imperative. We also feed him from a smaller/deeper bowl so that he has to take his time.

[quote]chillain wrote:

[quote]cyruseven75 wrote:
American Bulldogs Johnson vs Scott??? insight?

looking for a protector @ home but a loving dog who is smart and filled w/ desire to please and a strong drive. anyone w/ insight into the breed.[/quote]

stay away from BULLY breeds

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to the above poster and guy i’m quoting here.

Johnson (bully and bigger it seems) vs Scott…

is it that the bully’s aren’t as athletic or lazier? the pic i posted from the breeder i’m likely using hinted at such but mentioned that in her 20+ yrs breeding the johnson type she has are workers. scott’s tend to be more into athletics albiet a slightly smaller looking bully.

my end game, a cinder block male head, a big beast of bully but w/ in the genetic standard. but i want him to hike, pull shit, and be ready to GO GO GO but also learn to chill the fuck out while in my house.

also thanks for tip on the food and gas, so a deeper bowl that required he ear downward as opposed to gobble.

ANY FOOD RECOMMENDATIONS for these guys. My shepherd had a stomach issue so he was on science diet sensitive stomach for yrs.

[quote]cyruseven75 wrote:

[quote]chillain wrote:

[quote]cyruseven75 wrote:
American Bulldogs Johnson vs Scott??? insight?

looking for a protector @ home but a loving dog who is smart and filled w/ desire to please and a strong drive. anyone w/ insight into the breed.[/quote]

stay away from BULLY breeds

[/quote]
to the above poster and guy i’m quoting here.

Johnson (bully and bigger it seems) vs Scott…

is it that the bully’s aren’t as athletic or lazier? the pic i posted from the breeder i’m likely using hinted at such but mentioned that in her 20+ yrs breeding the johnson type she has are workers. scott’s tend to be more into athletics albiet a slightly smaller looking bully.

my end game, a cinder block male head, a big beast of bully but w/ in the genetic standard. but i want him to hike, pull shit, and be ready to GO GO GO but also learn to chill the fuck out while in my house.

also thanks for tip on the food and gas, so a deeper bowl that required he ear downward as opposed to gobble.

ANY FOOD RECOMMENDATIONS for these guys. My shepherd had a stomach issue so he was on science diet sensitive stomach for yrs. [/quote]

Mine is of the Scott line but he was a rescue dog so we have no history on him. I can’t speak for Johnson’s but my ABD is quite athletic. When jumping his hind quarters can reach my chest and he can turn on a dime when chasing the flirtpole or said squirrels. The only thing he really lacks is endurance which basically comes down to I can’t take him for a jog, but I fucking hate jogging anyway so win/win. He doesn’t lack endurance when doing something that really excites him though. As far as food goes for the longest time we used Taste of the Wild, then we switched to Nature’s Domain from CostCo as it was cheaper. No issues so far.

Science Diet is garbage…

get something with no corn or wheat/gluten in it.

Personally, I use Orijen, it’s pricey but you don’t have to feed as much.

The Canada producer of it also locally sources it’s fish which is rather important for dog foods since a known carcinogen (ethoxy) does not need to be on the label for fish if an outside supplier (most companies use an outside company) provides it.

Of course, ideally a raw diet is best, but can be tricky. If you have the cash there are commercially prepared raw foods on the market, essentially burger patties or nuggets you can do. For our dog commercial raw would be about $180/month so that’s why we use Orijen, though I’d like to make the switch soon.

I’d recommend watching this vids

be sure to check out part 2 of the one I just linked, but also this one…

thanks i’ll check them out. i kinda figured being part of the training world that much like what we eat, how we feed our dogs is equally important.

my shepherd had a crazy colon, he once, to avoid displeasing me aka shitting on the floor, broke the dog off the bedroom, he bit the handle off the door and then smashed the door down, ran into my room ( i was at work) and shit all over my bed, end tables, sprayed shit on the lamp shades… .fucking nightmare.

thereafter i switched him to science diet, it fixed his shitting issues. he was 128lb shepherd w/ a visible last rib, aka lean @ 128lbs. he lived almost 13yrs. i was blessed.

going forward i’ll do better in getting more nutritionally sound food.

LOL WOW… I remember when we first got this Dane and we swtiched his diet right away. Well, I fed him, then not knowing the wife fed him an hour later… apparently (thank god) she got home first and said he shat all over the walls, your sounded worse though

Lol. I was going to mention the gas but I thought uit was just Lex. That fucker can fart with the best. At least its good warning for when he needs to go outside.

As far as food, I have been giving him Pro Plan from Pet Smart. Another pit owner saw my dog and recommended it. I add Alpo lean cuts to it. Alpo is making beef now that looks like our food.

Have owned a few ABDs, and my advice would be to look at breeding versus a particular line. It has been our experience(and from doing some research) that while eachline has its distinguishing looks, you will also see heavy Johnson dogs that look more like Scott, and vice versa.

Our last one was heavy Johnson breeding, but never got past the over-protective stage. That is something to watch for with these guys - they get to about 2, and suddenly realize they are supposed to be a protector, and take it a little overboard(not necessarily aggressive or violent, just barking at every little thing and such). Our current one though, is almost 3 and never had this issue. He lets you know when he hears something outside(which kind of sucks cause you can easily hear stuff two doors down our street from inside our house), and will go check the door if he hears someone coming in. They can be very playful like any other dog, but are pretty laid back in the house(unless you let him get excited-friends of ours have two brothers from the same litter, and had to do quite a bit of repairs over the years from two 80+ lb dogs wrestling around and chewing on drywall).

Current male we have is 130 pounds, slightly overweight. He is really laid back most of the time, and I think he’s kind of dumb, but intelligence seems to come out when it ocunts. Still doesn’t hold a candle to the intelligence of a well-bred pit though.

I have an English bulldog, our neighbor has an American, our bully’s girlfriend if he could get her to stand next to a stool so he could make a lady out of her. They’re both wonderful dogs, our Bully, Satchmo has more personality, heart and drive than I’ve ever seen in a dog. He has 150lb bark in a 50 lb frame. He popped a steel belted tire last year. I would not want to be on the bad side of that bite. He’s fiercely loyal and protective, especially to my wife, and chased someone out of the yard when he was still a puppy. I might get an American at some point, but I can’t see having a dog outside of the bull family.

You can see the pit and fighter in these dogs, but they don’t have the ghetto curb appeal of the pits.

I have had an american bulldog the scott type and am friends with Ralph Citterella the breeder of Hoghammer (you can google the dog he pops right up) I own a pit/pressa mix rescue right now. Being your on T Nation I’m guessing your an active person and if you go scott type you will need to be. Am Bulldogs are a working breed and need a activity ie: weight pulling, obiedence/protection work, hunting. You will have a prey drive depending on the breeding which can be quite high. Pound for pound they are probally the strongest dog out there so training is a must. If you go Johnson type you will have more of a couch potato and bigger heavier dog. Scott will look more like a pitbull able to run all day.

Go to White knight kennels website for info on southern whites ( a sub breed of american bulldogs a Hines dog)and in my opinion the way american bulldogs should be. He also discusses Johnson vs Scott and has been breeding these dogs for over 20 years. I would own one of his dogs myself but the white hair and I like to get my dogs at the pound.