I’m looking at starting my first cycle in over a decade and came across a cycle that i had never seen before. Looking for a second opinion on whether this could work or not.
Week 1-6. Test cypionate 250mg (3 x week)
Hcg 250ui (3 x week)
Aromisin 6.25mg ED
Week 7. Test propionate 100mg (3 x week)
Huh 250ui (3 x week)
Aromisin 6.25mg ED
Week 8. Test propionate 100mg. Mon/Wed
Aromisin 6.25mg. Mon/Wed
Week 9-12 Clomid 300mg day 1
Clomid 30 ED after that
Clomid will be started 3 days after last shot.
If you want to use cyp it needs to be longer than eight weeks. If you want to cycle for eight weeks then just use prop. It’s as simple as that. You can obviously get prop, so just run it as you’d like for the whole eight weeks and don’t mess around with mixing esters over a very short period of time. Don’t over complicate things for yourself.
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What iron said. But also, you might not need aromasin ED, even with the small dosage. You could very well not need AI with that cycle.
And I wasn’t a fan of clomid and only ran it once. But you might need more than 30ED? Most guys that use clomid run 100/100/50/50 or something along those lines, I think?
I really don’t know much about clomid, would just suggest you read up more. Or run the standard nolva which had less sides for me personally, and run at smaller doses.
Im still looking at my options and am not looking to start for another few weeks but if I drop the cyp and just run prop for 8 weeks with everything else, that would work?
If you drop the cyp and just run prop yes that will be good. I would inject the prop EOD at 100mgs or if you wanted 50mg ED. Don’t inject less frequently than EOD.
You will almost certainly not need any aromasin on 350mgs a week of test prop.
Also please be aware HCG causes us to aromatize Testosterone in our balls that no amount of aromasin will stop. The only thing you can do if you get estrogen issues like gyno is take a SERM, I recommend Nolvadex. On fact I would suggest Nolvadex over clomid for PCT as well. It’s just a stronger binder mg for mg and there are less side effects.
Okay, so im set on test prop for 8 weeks. I’ve read that a lot of people start hcg and nolva the next day after last pin for 2 weeks and then continue with nolva for duration of pct, would that make more sense then running hcg on cycle?
You don’t start HCG while you’re starting Nolva. It’s counterproductive. For such a short cycle I see not need to even bother with the hcg. The test will clear in a few days and after that you start pct.
Ok you have a couple of things jumbled together with your statement.
Typically timing for the start of PCT is either two weeks for long esters like enanthate or cypionate OR just a couple of days for short esters like propionate and acetate. Your cycle is propionate only so after you stop pinning test just wait a couple of days and you can start PCT.
There are two method of thought for HCG.
Old school, just blast that stuff for a few weeks right before PCT starts to get natural production back on.
New school, take it during the entire cycle to prevent shutdown of natural test production.
It’s your choice what to do. Just know that HCG can and will make your body produce Testosterone even while on cycle. So if you wanted to just blast it for a couple of weeks before PCT just figure out when you would stop pinning test and what day PCT would start then count back 2-3 weeks and use HCG during that period.
Just make sure you do not overlap HCG with PCT it will work against you. PCT is performed to get our bodies to produce their own “HCG.”
Like I said before HCG can cause test aromatizing in your balls that no Aromasin or arimidex can stop. If you have to take something for that estrogen, like Nolvadex, then that doesn’t count as PCT even though it is the same drug. If you do need to I would start with something like 10mgs EOD and maybe you might need to go to ED.
Typical PCT doses of Nolvadex are 40-20mgs ED. Usually 40 a day for two weeks then 20 a day for two weeks.
Why does it matter if aromasin doesn’t work within the testes?
Because the testosterone that gets aromatized in the balls from the HCG turns into estrogen. Usually to control estrogen on cycle we block the Aromatase enzyme but the test that is aromatizes in the ball can not be blocked so it’s possible that that process can create enough estrogen to grow gyno and do other high estrogen level things.
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So basically if you get high e2 symptoms/gyno while using HCG, you need to either stop using HCG or decrease the dose of test?
No if you get signs of high gyno while on HCG and this is assuming that you have the injectable testosterone’s estrogen by product under control, then the only way to manage the estrogen from the whole HCG process is to block it via a SERM like Nolvadex. All Nolvadex will do is keep you from getting gyno so the other possible signs you will have to deal with or if intolerable then stop the HCG.
Your testosterone enanthate or whatever you can still manage it’s aromatizing with an AI like aromasin or arimidex.
Ok, I think I was under the impression that Nolva on cycle is like the first line of defense for gyno, as in, you could potentially develop gyno still if using Nolva alone.
No, basically all Nolvadex will do on cycle is block gyno. It attaches to the tissue suceptable to Estrogen. It will not do anything for water retention or bloat.
Typically the preferred way of dealing with high estrogen on cycle is an AI because it effects the level of estrogen generated from those 250mg shots. This way we lower bloat, water retention, ect and if the estrogen is lower then no worry for gyno. The problem is guys WAY over use it and eliminate all the estrogen and we do need some. The big one that catches people’s eyes is we can’t gain any muscle without some estrogen then there are the dry popping joints we get without estrogen.