[quote]jre67t wrote:
Great point Pushharder our damn PC world forgets that it is war. The real question who released it and for what purposes? What political agenda is behind this?[/quote]
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]jre67t wrote:
Great point Pushharder our damn PC world forgets that it is war. The real question who released it and for what purposes? What political agenda is behind this?[/quote]
Yes, and NavJoe is the quintessential example of the “political correctivist” in world affairs. He sits amidst what once was a proud (and downright haughty, arrogant and violent) empire and simply inwardly resents that the US is now everything and much more than the Austro-Germanic empire(s) used to be (with the exception of haughty, arrogant and violent).
Now he will surely take exception to the lack of designation of “haughty, arrogant and violent” to the US but that will reveal an (willing) ignorance of history.[/quote]
You are right, I just long to kill and humiliate brown people and the fact that I do not have the opportunity makes me mad jelly.
Even more humiliating is that I will not be given an American issued government costume…
Just think of the possibilities…
Ah Orion by Brown do you folks like me from Hispanic heritage or those Afghany’s, J/K. No Orion I mean if it is war then nothing is fair. My best way to put it to common people, if you have kids or sisters and brothers. God forbid they are killed or raped, if you have the chance to kill them with no repercussion by any judicial system. Would you kill them? Please do not lie and say no. It is a crime of passion it is in the heat of the moment my friend.
We are humans, i.e. not perfect.
I was speaking on the Middle East in general, but I’m not looking for a debate on this.
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
I cannot understand it.
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I just figured I would help you out because I think I can understand it - this is how I would expect a European (or anyone) “with no dog in the fight” to perceive it.
[quote]squating_bear wrote:
I was speaking on the Middle East in general, but I’m not looking for a debate on this.[/quote]
Fair enough. I wouldn’t want to try to debate that position either, it would be a loser.
[quote][quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
I cannot understand [that position].
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I just figured I would help you out because I think I can understand it - this is how I would expect a European (or anyone) “with no dog in the fight” to perceive it.[/quote]
With the number of European troops in Afghanistan, with the terrorist acts on European soil, with the attacks planned on European soil, how can they think they have “no dog in the fight”? It seems absurd.
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:<<< Are you on drugs? Far far worse was done in the second world war, in Bosnia, and in any number of other previous wars and conflicts. The only difference is that there was no news crew there to capture it. [/quote]Haven’t talked to ol CB in what seems like forever (still prayin for ya though) and what do I see, but the post I was going to write already done by him. This is a big wide yaaaawn compared to what went on on the pacific islands between us and Japan for instance.
I just figured I would help you out because I think I can understand it - this is how I would expect a European (or anyone) “with no dog in the fight” to perceive it.[/quote]
With the number of European troops in Afghanistan, with the terrorist acts on European soil, with the attacks planned on European soil, how can they think they have “no dog in the fight”? It seems absurd.
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Well the ones you’re referring to don’t support the wars
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
[quote]squating_bear wrote:
I was speaking on the Middle East in general, but I’m not looking for a debate on this.[/quote]
Fair enough. I wouldn’t want to try to debate that position either, it would be a loser.[/quote]
They probably see all this as a feedback loop.
[quote]orion wrote:
A battle of your choosing.
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Our choosing?
are you saying they’re poor guerillas?
-what I meant by this is: according to the Art Of War the guerillas are supposed to be able to win against a larger, stronger foe because they can pick the time and place of the battle. If the battle was indeed chosen by the Americans, does that make the Taliban bad guerilla fighters? Or more so because they have been killed by our snipers?
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
A battle of your choosing.
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Our choosing?
are you saying they’re poor guerillas?
-what I meant by this is: according to the Art Of War the guerillas are supposed to be able to win against a larger, stronger foe because they can pick the time and place of the battle. If the battle was indeed chosen by the Americans, does that make the Taliban bad guerilla fighters? Or more so because they have been killed by our snipers? [/quote]
???
!??
O_o?
Um… whaaaaaat?!?
Dude…
You went there…
And they have all the time in the world…
Orion, what we did was invade Iraq. Had we concentrated solely on Afghanistan, we would have them on the ropes by now…
wait!
read this:
What I really find funny is that a group with a reputation for abusing enemy corpses and horribly killing bound prisoners on video tape, somehow finds it offensive when it is done to them in a much milder way.
I’m glad they pissed on those worthless pieces of shit.
CS
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Orion, what we did was invade Iraq. Had we concentrated solely on Afghanistan, we would have them on the ropes by now…
wait!
read this:
What I really find funny is that a group with a reputation for abusing enemy corpses and horribly killing bound prisoners on video tape, somehow finds it offensive when it is done to them in a much milder way.
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Gkhan, Thanks for the article, it was interesting to read. I was wondering your opinion as I don’t recall reading it. Do you think the successes in Afghanistan have been due to the surge, drones, a combination, or what? What do you think about pulling troops out of Afghanistan?
I recall when we entered Afghanistan and drove the Taliban out, the people celebrated, shaved their beards off and were glad we were there. Instead of helping re-build Afghanistan and make it viable, which the people hoped we’d do, we got involved in another war, while the Taliban re-grouped and threatened both Pakistan and Afghanistan.
I think we were correct in invading and should have stayed the course. We should have immediately sealed the border with Pakistan and prevented al-qaeda and the Taliban from escaping. While fighting at Tora Bora, we should have carpetbombed any and all escape routes or sent in airborne troops to prevent Taliban retreats. Effectively sealing the border would have also prevented the clusterfuck which formed in Pakistan.
I think the drones are currently kicking the Taliban’s ass, and if Pakistan would get on board and attack their stongholds once and for all like we’ve been asking them to do for a decade, we may be able to defeat these bastards.
We shouldn’t pull any of the troops out till the job’s done, and stop listening to Karzai, the guy’s a two faced asshole. Even Musharraf didn’t trust that fucker. I mean we helped him and the Northern Alliance into power, and he’s more friendly now with Pakistan and Iran?? WTF?