[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
They better learn to speak Iranistanian.[/quote]
“May I refresh your Martini, sir?”
“Durk durk Allah… Muhammed Jihad!”
“Of course, sir. I’ll pull your goat up to the front door immediately.”
[quote]mazilla wrote:
SO WHAT!!!
so what if Iran may have nuclear power in the furture? what are we gonna do about it? nothing. we will have to move over a little bit and play the game with them as well. the same game we play with Israel, Pakistan, China, Russia, France, Britian, did i forget anybody? it’s part of evolution. we had the best technology for along time, and that time is over. we cannot police the entire world, overthrowing whatever government we see fit. it’s not gonna happen for ever.
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The difference between a nuclear Iran and those other countries is that the other countries aren’t major terrorist backers. Iran would likely hand out nukes to every scimitar-swinging, jihad-chasing, Jew-hating looney who wanted one. And their regime is not likely to change anytime soon, as their loudmouthed “leader” is not actually the one in control.
Here’s a good article from Commentary magazine that runs through three reasons why we should not, or may not need to, attack Iran:
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/Production/files/luttwak0506.html
There are three main points, and I think the third is particularly interesting. First, geopolitics renders Iran a natural ally of the United States over the long haul. Second, the Iranian regime wants a U.S. attack for the rally-round-the-flag effect. The third reason is that despite three decades of effort, the Iranians haven’t made much progress at developing strategic industries, much less a workable nuclear device – thus, for all their bluster, they may not have the technological capability to produce anything.
[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
… thus, for all their bluster, they may not have the technological capability to produce anything.
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Hearing ya, BB. That is interesting. But I would like to remind us that the support for Islamic Jihad and other terrorist Orgs is quite real, and not some braggadocio.
I personally like the WMD pretense. It worked for Iraq, didn’t it? And even more fun is the knowledge that we will definitely find SOMETHING nuke-you-lar over there instead of empty boxes and sand.
Plain and simple, if Iran wants to play with the big boys, they have to grow the hell up and act like it. Supporting terrorism is absolutely unacceptable.
Example: If Denmark announced that they built a nuclear reactor, would the rest of the world freak out? No. Why not? Because they aren’t terrorism-supporting assholes. We can trust them with nuclear power… hell, we’ll send folks over there to make sure they know how to run it right.
[quote]lothario1132 wrote:
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Example: If Denmark announced that they built a nuclear reactor, would the rest of the world freak out? No. Why not? Because they aren’t terrorism-supporting assholes. We can trust them with nuclear power… hell, we’ll send folks over there to make sure they know how to run it right.[/quote]
1/6th of the world freaked out because they put a cartoon in a newspaper.
Those Denmarkians are just looking for trouble.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
1/6th of the world freaked out because they put a cartoon in a newspaper.
Those Denmarkians are just looking for trouble.[/quote]
LOL Good point, Zap. 
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
lothario1132 wrote:
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Example: If Denmark announced that they built a nuclear reactor, would the rest of the world freak out? No. Why not? Because they aren’t terrorism-supporting assholes. We can trust them with nuclear power… hell, we’ll send folks over there to make sure they know how to run it right.
1/6th of the world freaked out because they put a cartoon in a newspaper.
Those Denmarkians are just looking for trouble.[/quote]
What?
More than 1 billion people actually freaked out because of that cartoon.
mmmkay…
We can’t invade Iran without a draft because we would get our asses kicked.
Dropping a nuclear bomb is not a real option. Only people with IQs under 80 believe otherwise.
Diplomacy is our only way out. We have to put pressure on Irans partners to stop them.
Unfortunately, Bush has no political capital left. We have to hope that Iran’s partners see this the same way we do.
Let the flames begin.
[quote]Marmadogg wrote:
We can’t invade Iran without a draft because we would get our asses kicked.
Can you let this one die? We don’t need a draft, of course all you heard out of the left was that if Bush was re-elected a draft was coming the next day. We don’t need one and speaking from a military standpoint I don’t want one. We have enough problems in the military, such as the new retirement system proposal, now if that goes through we probably will need a draft, because in my opinion our retention rates would drop way too low. But as of now the attitude of most of my friends throughout the service is we don’t need the additional burden of dealing with a bunch of people who are being forced to serve.
Interesting opinion piece on Iran:
[quote]Bigbigsize wrote:
This was posted today (04/14/06) on yahoo news. Only a matter of time before this fuckhead gets his country to be converted into a parking lot. Israel alone could demolish him, just imagine if U.S.A. decides to get involved as well…
Yeah, if only it were that easy. Unfortunately, due to our military being WAY bogged down; the Iranians having gotten a good, up-close look at how our military operates and what our tactics, equipement and capabilities are like; and the fact that they’ve got a pretty first-rate, high-tech defense system, Iran = Not Easy.
[quote]Kratos wrote:
mazilla wrote:
SO WHAT!!!
so what if Iran may have nuclear power in the furture? what are we gonna do about it? nothing. we will have to move over a little bit and play the game with them as well. the same game we play with Israel, Pakistan, China, Russia, France, Britian, did i forget anybody? it’s part of evolution. we had the best technology for along time, and that time is over. we cannot police the entire world, overthrowing whatever government we see fit. it’s not gonna happen for ever.
The difference between a nuclear Iran and those other countries is that the other countries aren’t major terrorist backers. Iran would likely hand out nukes to every scimitar-swinging, jihad-chasing, Jew-hating looney who wanted one. And their regime is not likely to change anytime soon, as their loudmouthed “leader” is not actually the one in control.
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uhhhh, pakistan? pakistan is in the middle of a conversion to hard line islamic rule and they have nukes.uhhhh, israel? they are just as bad if not worse than the others, they are the only ones who have occupied and siezed an entire country. no wonder they want them gone, they look at them the same way they see the U.S. since when is china not nutty as well? the only calm ones are france and britian. seriously it’s time to worry about how we are going to deal with a nuclear Iran. i don’t see anything stopping them from their goal, especially when they have china, and russia behind them. the question should be, how can we be ready WHEN it happens? lets scrap these invasion plans, and work on getting our hands onto the puppet string of that country.
[quote]CDM wrote:
Can you let this one die? We don’t need a draft, of course all you heard out of the left was that if Bush was re-elected a draft was coming the next day. We don’t need one and speaking from a military standpoint I don’t want one. We have enough problems in the military, such as the new retirement system proposal, now if that goes through we probably will need a draft, because in my opinion our retention rates would drop way too low. But as of now the attitude of most of my friends throughout the service is we don’t need the additional burden of dealing with a bunch of people who are being forced to serve.[/quote]
Let what die?
Fact: We can not maintain a presence in Iraq and take on Iran at the same time.
The only way around this is to ‘cut and run’ in Iraq to fight Iran or institute a draft.
Get it?
Going to war with Iran is not an option and dropping THE BOMB is even worse.
[quote]Marmadogg wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
lothario1132 wrote:
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Example: If Denmark announced that they built a nuclear reactor, would the rest of the world freak out? No. Why not? Because they aren’t terrorism-supporting assholes. We can trust them with nuclear power… hell, we’ll send folks over there to make sure they know how to run it right.
1/6th of the world freaked out because they put a cartoon in a newspaper.
Those Denmarkians are just looking for trouble.
What?
More than 1 billion people actually freaked out because of that cartoon.
mmmkay…
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Yes, every single Muslim man, woman and child freaked out. No exceptions.
[quote]Marmadogg wrote:
We can’t invade Iran without a draft because we would get our asses kicked.
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I disagree. Our military could easily handle invasion. Occupation would be much more difficult.
All this talk of invasion is silly.
We had every right in the world to invade Iraq and Afghanistan.
We were in a low level war with Iraq for more than a decade. Saddam was not following the peace treaty.
In Afghanistan we were responding to the 9/11 attacks.
There are no clear reasons for invading Iran. If there were we would have done it already.
Iran developing nukes is probably not sufficient.
[quote]Marmadogg wrote:
Let what die?
Fact: We can not maintain a presence in Iraq and take on Iran at the same time.
The only way around this is to ‘cut and run’ in Iraq to fight Iran or institute a draft.
Get it?
Going to war with Iran is not an option and dropping THE BOMB is even worse.
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Fact: You do not understand the concepts of force projection
The way around this is to stop putting so much emphasis on collateral damage. If you could see what ridiculous ROE we are required to fly by you would get a little clearer picture of why this is taking longer than anyone wants it to. ROE, that by the way, is rarely enforced even when it is cleary broken by the enemy.
And to answer the other post about Iran having a first rate, high-tech defense system, I would agree with that assessment if it was around 1980, today no dice. We would shut it down fairly quickly. There is a reason no Scuds got shot toward Israel this last time.
And last, someone posted about China being nutty, I have to disagree. In my opinion China is the most patient country I have ever studied/read about. They are for sure aggressive, but they are more than willing to bide their time and continue to build/store their resources and that makes them a formidable country. There is a guy that travels around the country, security expert looks like, believe it or not, Mickey Dolenz, and he gives a DICE brief. I am not sure what the security classification level is but there were civilians in the audience, may have been DOD guys, I am not sure, but if you ever get a chance to attend, do not pass it up. It is/was a real eye opener as far as terrorism and security issues around the world are concerned.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Saddam was not following the peace treaty.[/quote]
Bull$h!t right wingnuttery talking point.
[quote]CDM wrote:
There is a reason no Scuds got shot toward Israel this last time.[/quote]
REASON: Arrow.
Iran would kick our arse unless we wanted to turn Iran into a glass plate and the rest of the world would turn on us.
FYI - Our oceans have not been protecting us since long before 9/11 no matter what the President or his cabinet members say.
Cheers!
[quote]Marmadogg wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Saddam was not following the peace treaty.
Bull$h!t right wingnuttery talking point.
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If you think Saddam followed the peace treaty you have a screw loose.
He shot at our planes. He tried to assasinate GHWB. That was not part of the deal.
I don’t know why I bother with you.
[quote]Marmadogg wrote:
CDM wrote:
There is a reason no Scuds got shot toward Israel this last time.
REASON: Arrow.
Iran would kick our arse unless we wanted to turn Iran into a glass plate and the rest of the world would turn on us.
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Just like Saddam would defeat us in the mother of all battles and we didn’t have a chance in Afghanistan where the mighty Russian army bogged down.
You are amusing.