[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
is Iran run by rational decision makers or true fanatics?[/quote]
We are talking about attention whores. These are dangerous children who want a bigger piece of the pie, and they aren’t hesitant to say stupid shit like “we will nuke Israel”, and “you have to treat us like we are a nuclear power.”
No we don’t. Y’all aren’t a nuclear power, and you WON’T be a nuclear power – get back into line or we will smack a bitch like she owes us money.
Guys, this is part of doing business as the world’s dad. When the kids start kicking the seat while you are driving, you yell at them to stop, and if they don’t, you stop the car and tan their hides.
What’s so tricky about all of this? I don’t see how this is such a complicated issue for some of us. Are we all of a sudden pussies or something? Do you think we ran out of bombs already? 
[quote]lothario1132 wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
is Iran run by rational decision makers or true fanatics?
We are talking about attention whores. These are dangerous children who want a bigger piece of the pie, and they aren’t hesitant to say stupid shit like “we will nuke Israel”, and “you have to treat us like we are a nuclear power.”
No we don’t. Y’all aren’t a nuclear power, and you WON’T be a nuclear power – get back into line or we will smack a bitch like she owes us money.
Guys, this is part of doing business as the world’s dad. When the kids start kicking the seat while you are driving, you yell at them to stop, and if they don’t, you stop the car and tan their hides.
What’s so tricky about all of this? I don’t see how this is such a complicated issue for some of us. Are we all of a sudden pussies or something? Do you think we ran out of bombs already? :)[/quote]
…as previously stated, bombs won’t do the trick - it’ll just delay things, and eventually make them worse. The only way force will work in this case is all-out invasion, and even then, it’s debatable as to how effective it’ll be.
We simply can’t afford the manpower or the sheer COST to invade every country that acts hostile to US interests - why do you think we’ve stayed away from N. Korea for so long?
[quote]knewsom wrote:
lothario1132 wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
is Iran run by rational decision makers or true fanatics?
We are talking about attention whores. These are dangerous children who want a bigger piece of the pie, and they aren’t hesitant to say stupid shit like “we will nuke Israel”, and “you have to treat us like we are a nuclear power.”
No we don’t. Y’all aren’t a nuclear power, and you WON’T be a nuclear power – get back into line or we will smack a bitch like she owes us money.
Guys, this is part of doing business as the world’s dad. When the kids start kicking the seat while you are driving, you yell at them to stop, and if they don’t, you stop the car and tan their hides.
What’s so tricky about all of this? I don’t see how this is such a complicated issue for some of us. Are we all of a sudden pussies or something? Do you think we ran out of bombs already?
…as previously stated, bombs won’t do the trick - it’ll just delay things, and eventually make them worse. The only way force will work in this case is all-out invasion, and even then, it’s debatable as to how effective it’ll be.
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That’s what I’ve been saying. Bombing only delays the inevitable, while pushing the people into the arms of the rulers we should be encouraging them to depose. I think Iran may well come down to military action, but if so, an invasion and regime change is the answer, not bombing.
[quote]lothario1132 wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
is Iran run by rational decision makers or true fanatics?
What’s so tricky about all of this? I don’t see how this is such a complicated issue for some of us. Are we all of a sudden pussies or something? Do you think we ran out of bombs already? :)[/quote]
Anyone who potentially opposes bombing is a pussy? Who do you serve with lothario, the 82nd Keyboard Warriors Division?
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
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Um, Iran’s not a democracy. Not sure if you got the memo there. Ahmedinejad’s popular support, such as it is, has much to do with disgust at the crumbling theocracy, as counter-intuitive as that may seem. And his support has dropped too, got a chilly reception on a trip up to the Caspian recently (rural poor are supposed to be his strongest supporters).
Irans president is democratically elected but the real power lies with the mullahs.
They have been in power 25 years and will likely stay in power for a long time.
We should not base our strategy on wishful thinking that they will be deposed.[/quote]
Of course not. But we also shouldn’t be doing our best to keep the regime in power, which is what bombing would do.
[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
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Of course not. But we also shouldn’t be doing our best to keep the regime in power, which is what bombing would do.[/quote]
For now the administration is not even talking about military action.
Some of the leftist pundits are claiming we should be threatening military action otherwise the Iranians won’t take us seriously.
It is kind of funny to watch these bozos automatically oppose every policy of the administration.
There is not going to be a bombing campaign against Iran. It would make no sense- these towelheads already have the bomb, or so we think. If there is one, then I am seriously dissapointed in you yankee tossers.
[quote]David_Wise wrote:
There is not going to be a bombing campaign against Iran. It would make no sense- these towelheads already have the bomb, or so we think. If there is one, then I am seriously dissapointed in you yankee tossers.[/quote]
I don’t think they have the bomb yet. If they do they bought it from the Russians because they have not refined enough uranium yet.
I do not think there will be bombing campaign because there are no easy targets. Destruction of their program is not assured.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
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Um, Iran’s not a democracy. Not sure if you got the memo there. Ahmedinejad’s popular support, such as it is, has much to do with disgust at the crumbling theocracy, as counter-intuitive as that may seem. And his support has dropped too, got a chilly reception on a trip up to the Caspian recently (rural poor are supposed to be his strongest supporters).
Irans president is democratically elected but the real power lies with the mullahs.
They have been in power 25 years and will likely stay in power for a long time.
We should not base our strategy on wishful thinking that they will be deposed.[/quote]
The Iranian mullahs could and did disqualify many candidates from the Presidential election, but you’re right in that they have all the real power that matters. For what it’s worth, the Allatoyah has issued fatwas both for the destruction of Israel and against the development and use of nuclear weapons, so it’s a little difficult to know what to believe.
[quote]I don’t think they have the bomb yet. If they do they bought it from the Russians because they have not refined enough uranium yet.
I do not think there will be bombing campaign because there are no easy targets. Destruction of their program is not assured.[/quote]
shrug
Even if they don’t have enough uranium to build a bomb, they still have enough to cause a serious amount of trouble.
I think the USA should back the fuck off and encourage the peaceful development of liberal ideals in Iran. If they keep poking that boil, it’s going to burst horribly and leave putrid puss over everyone.
[quote]David_Wise wrote:
I don’t think they have the bomb yet. If they do they bought it from the Russians because they have not refined enough uranium yet.
I do not think there will be bombing campaign because there are no easy targets. Destruction of their program is not assured.
shrug
Even if they don’t have enough uranium to build a bomb, they still have enough to cause a serious amount of trouble.
I think the USA should back the fuck off and encourage the peaceful development of liberal ideals in Iran. If they keep poking that boil, it’s going to burst horribly and leave putrid puss over everyone.[/quote]
The US has been backed off for a long time and Iran has continued to fund terrorism and try to develop the bomb.
[quote]knewsom wrote:
…as previously stated, bombs won’t do the trick - it’ll just delay things, and eventually make them worse. The only way force will work in this case is all-out invasion, and even then, it’s debatable as to how effective it’ll be.
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LOL Y’all need to learn what the means.
Of course we won’t just drop some bombs. Where are we going to drop them? Once again, we will exhaust diplomatic measures. I am pretty sure that the Iranianianis will continue to act petulant. Then we will stage our forces in the region and poise to attack. The populace will have plenty of warning about what we are going to do, and they will be told what is going to happen, flyer drops, etc. The civilized world will hold its breath as a force composed of crack troops (ours and other UN nations) will storm nuclear refinement facilites, take control of roadways, and in general, occupy Iran until we are assured that nuclear capability is more than removed from this country, and that they will continue to abide by the nuclear non-proliferation treaty that they signed.
Why this will be different from Iraq:
This is not the US going in alone. They already have a democratic process in place (maybe we won’t have to mess with the government in the way Iraq changed). We will not have to stay there for years and years fighting insurgency and terrorism against the citizens of Iran. We go in, seize the nuke-you-lar stuff, we go.
Are the Iraniani leaders going to take on the rest of the world in Mortal Kombat? I think they will be uppercutted a few times and then we will go for the “fatality” (Down, Towards, Up + Attack) and pull out their spine a la Sub-Zero. Or did you guys not play that game in the arcade?
PS See that doo-hickey that looks like a colon followed by a paranthesis? That represents a smiley face. Here’s another one.
[quote]David_Wise wrote:
I don’t think they have the bomb yet. If they do they bought it from the Russians because they have not refined enough uranium yet.
I do not think there will be bombing campaign because there are no easy targets. Destruction of their program is not assured.
shrug
Even if they don’t have enough uranium to build a bomb, they still have enough to cause a serious amount of trouble.
I think the USA should back the fuck off and encourage the peaceful development of liberal ideals in Iran. If they keep poking that boil, it’s going to burst horribly and leave putrid puss over everyone.[/quote]
They don’t have enough uranium to cause trouble. They have enough to make ten or twelve glow-in-the-dark watches.
Once again, the administration and its proxies are using the only weapon they have–fear–to send us down the path towards war.
SO WHAT!!!
so what if Iran may have nuclear power in the furture? what are we gonna do about it? nothing. we will have to move over a little bit and play the game with them as well. the same game we play with Israel, Pakistan, China, Russia, France, Britian, did i forget anybody? it’s part of evolution. we had the best technology for along time, and that time is over. we cannot police the entire world, overthrowing whatever government we see fit. it’s not gonna happen for ever.
i hate to burst your bubble, but your gonna have to learn to live with a nuclear Iran. plain and simple. there will be no “covert operations”, no occupying of territories, no war no negotiating, nothing. Iran will be a nuclear country and thats it. it’s time we plan for the furture. a furture that includes Iran as a nuclear country. yes the leader is a nutball, but if history has taught us one thing. it’s that leaders can be changed. that is where we should focus. we can’t stop the motion that has started, but we can be ready for it when it hits a certain point.
The world is a changing place, unless we get our shit together we will be left in the dust. holding our obsolete weapons, and our national debt. we need to focus internally like the rest of the world has been during our rampage as the super power of the world. I love this country, and will defend it to the death, but be realistic people, who do you think we are?
[quote]They don’t have enough uranium to cause trouble. They have enough to make ten or twelve glow-in-the-dark watches.
Once again, the administration and its proxies are using the only weapon they have–fear–to send us down the path towards war. [/quote]
They could probably make one of those ‘dirty bomb’ things though. I don’t think this situation could be dealt with by ‘covert operations’ or all out war. Either scenario could have extremely unpleasant consequences- and the americans are not stupid. Diplomacy looks like the only option.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
This guy fuckin scares me.
It may be time to do something about this…
Oh, wait, all our troops are in FUCKING IRAQ. Thanks Dubya, you stupid fuck…[/quote]
We also have troops in Afghanistan. We could increase levels in both countries if necessary. Those two countries happen to be on Iran’s eastern and western borders…
Here are a couple interesting articles on Iran – particularly the first one, which I posted with an excerpt in the other Iran thread:
http://www.suntimes.com/output/steyn/cst-edt-steyn16.html
ADDENDUM:
A couple more - all with different perspectives:
http://weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/012/100mmysk.asp
http://www.tnr.com/user/nregi.mhtml?i=20060424&s=kuntzel042406
CHINA.
There’s the wild card, boys. The Chinese LOVE to strike when least expected. They will overwhelm Taiwan and kick us out of their economy. We’ll be too shocked to respond.
They want to dominate Asia.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Chinese didn’t set up all this Iran situation purely for this purpose. The Chinese then give Iran nukes in exchange.
We are goat-f’kd.
LOL Man am I glad you guys aren’t in charge of my country.
Awful lot of whining going on here. I hear the Film Actors Guild is looking for some more “handle dangerous people with talk and appeasement” type of people… maybe y’all could get jobs serving those LA pussies drinks or something.
[quote]lothario1132 wrote:
LOL Man am I glad you guys aren’t in charge of my country.
Awful lot of whining going on here. I hear the Film Actors Guild is looking for some more “handle dangerous people with talk and appeasement” type of people… maybe y’all could get jobs serving those LA pussies drinks or something.[/quote]
They better learn to speak Iranistanian.