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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

It’s specifically BECAUSE plenty of persons get drunk every weekend without cold-cocking someone that this man is peculiar. There’s something wrong with him. Trying to solve the problem rather than just locking him up for a while seems to be the clearly superior method to me, but I guess none of you see that.

Treating him keeps him away from society all the same, so your argument is moot in this respect. As for deterrents, law clearly is not. Violent crime is higher, not lower. Besides, even if it worked as a deterrent, you wouldn’t be solving their psychological and/or chemical problems, you would merely be suppressing it.

Also, you don’t know me or my past so your theory is unfalsifiable and unverifiable, making it pointless.

You think yourself some hardcore realist. Apparently, this is an illusion shared by many on this site. But trust me and I’m being kind when I say, you’re merely deriving an ought from an is. [/quote]

Do you masturbate to ejaculate these pseudo-intellectual cum stains. Are do they merely eject from your mouth like a wet fart, leaving yet another stain in rear?

He’s not peculiar in any sense. There are plenty of idiots in every bar, every night, that haul off and crack someone. I know. Because I had the pleasure of grabbing those anti-social motherfuckers by their neck and showing them the door 100s of times. And although I am no bully, I would be praying those silly motherfuckers would make me the target of their anti-social bullying behavior so that I could unleash my own justice upon these animals. I never got my satisfaction. None of these cowards was stupid enough to direct their aggression in my direction. Well, there were two. I forgot. It didn’t go well for them. And sometimes someone is seriously injured (aggravated assault) or dies (murder, or variations thereof) as a result of those assaults. And when that recklessness results in such an outcome, you have to pay the price - however inconvenient or fucked up prisons are, it’s what we have at the moment. There are those among us that are comfortable with violence, particularly against the weak or weaker among us, and this case is no different, not “peculiar”. It was anything but “peculiar”, it was “typical” and the assault was committed by a cowardly bully.

This is not a debate about our prison systems and failures at rehabilitation. This is about removing a dangerous (yes, dangerous because he plies his trade against those that are weaker than he) criminal from society, to separate him for his rights, as punishment for his crime. If during those 6 years you want be volunteer as a counselor where he is incarcerated and listen to his story and perhaps masturbate him under the visiting room tables and touch him like his uncle did when he was 5, then have at it. I’d at least respect that commitment, however misguided, as opposed to your liberal musings delivered from your bedroom in Canada.

Hardcore realist? Did you invent that label? If you’re going to invent labels, at least define them for us so that we can follow along with your thoughtstains.

And although violent crime is higher and we live in a violent world, those of us with the higher reasoning skills and moral compass to fit into civilized society, are deterred by the prospect of punishment. I can honestly say I do not give the beatings I would love to deliver and that are richly deserved, because I do not want to be taken from my loved ones and children. I do not want to forfeit my freedoms. Those animals among us with lower reasoning skills, still understand punishment. Remove punishment and crime would rise even higher. Counseling is not punishment. At least the monkeys among us TRY TO GO UNDETECTED FOR THEIR CRIMES. I’m sure they would be much more brazen the minute we get all Canandian-touchy-feely on them and lend an ear to the “my uncle touched my pee pee when I was 4” excuses for their anti-social and violent behavior.

Nice try. Stick to hockey. [/quote]

x2

Ryuu has got to be the biggest hippie on this forum… also the fact that you can diagnose someone with a 15 second clip is beyond amazing… I wish I had such an ability…

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[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
Besides, even if it worked as a deterrent, you wouldn’t be solving their psychological and/or chemical problems, you would merely be suppressing it.
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Funny how when people were way less tolerant of crap like this that the crime was a lot less. Only when “your” mentality (rights based and psychological approach) started becoming predominant that violent crime has been much more of an issue.

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This guy should rot in hell but the justice system has let us down again.

I had this happen to me last May, was in the toilets and guy trained in mma, had 6 fights iirc, walked up to my and punched me unconscious. He was about 85kg too and very powerfully built, after i was down and out he stamped on my head, fracturing my skull, almost breaking my neck and bursting my eardrum. The toilet floor was literally a puddle of blood as it ran out of my ear. Only thing i remember was the morning that day and waking up in a coma, my friend who was there filled me in with the details.

Why did he do it, because he was drunk and randomly picked me out. He got sentenced to 3years but it should have been way more, the fact that the night before he’d attacked someone else too!

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[quote]TheSin wrote:
This guy should rot in hell but the justice system has let us down again.

I had this happen to me last May, was in the toilets and guy trained in mma, had 6 fights iirc, walked up to my and punched me unconscious. He was about 85kg too and very powerfully built, after i was down and out he stamped on my head, fracturing my skull, almost breaking my neck and bursting my eardrum. The toilet floor was literally a puddle of blood as it ran out of my ear. Only thing i remember was the morning that day and waking up in a coma, my friend who was there filled me in with the details.

Why did he do it, because he was drunk and randomly picked me out. He got sentenced to 3years but it should have been way more, the fact that the night before he’d attacked someone else too![/quote]

The fucking filthy cowardly animals among us must be weeded out. You can bitch and moan about the horrors of prison all you want. Frankly, I do not give a fuck. Redemption is our own responsibility. It is not society’s job to hold your fucking hand and move you to civility or figure out your fucking loose screws. If you want the help, the resources ARE there - even in prison. You either want to be part of the tribe or not. Go to jail, fail to redeem, come out and repeat, you go the fuck back and fuck you very much. And if you take a life, you forfeit yours. Simple. When we start taking murderous animals to the center of town and promptly hanging the motherfuckers in front of everyone, instead of indoctrinating them to a life of prison (which people adjust to), I guaran-fuckin-tee you the murder rate drops. No fucking 5 year appeals. You’re convicted in court, and your ass is then transported to the town square where you are executed then and there for all the other little murderous animals to see. That we don’t do this is the problem, not the conditions of our prisons and not our inability to “rehabilitate”. Consequences ladies and gentlemen, real consequences. Our entire social structure was built on such consequences. It only when we became “civilized” and decided those civilities should be given to those that would act uncivilized is that our problems began. When we were forming societies, if you wanted to be the odd man out, your ass was out. Period. Problem solved, and those on the fence fell into line with social norms, like not murdering and assaulting innocent people.

Fuck that motherfucker in the video and fuck every single one of you with sympathy for him.

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[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
I’m going to agree with Nards. This Ryuu kid is parrotting the kind of silly attitude that is easily refuted in practice. He/she probably thinks communism is a great form of government too.[/quote]

So easy that you made no attempt to do so… yeah.

Also, no, I’m no communist. Strange that you would make such an assertion… =/[/quote]

Why don’t you explain how you drew the conclusion that the law is not an effective deterrant to crime based on nothing other than the increased per-capita rate of crime? If you honestly think that’s the only variable at play in an overwhelmingly complex issue, then I have nothing to say to you. Or hell, maybe you can tell me how you expertly determined that this man has a chemical imbalance based on a 15-second video clip, while of course knowing nothing about him personally.[/quote]

Have you even read my posts? Virutally all these issues have been adressed.

  1. Note, violent crime. I’m comparring laws that existed in the past and still exist to this day.
  2. He is either psychologically imbalanced, or chemically imbalanced. If you have another theory, nows the time to say it.
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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]TheSin wrote:
This guy should rot in hell but the justice system has let us down again.

I had this happen to me last May, was in the toilets and guy trained in mma, had 6 fights iirc, walked up to my and punched me unconscious. He was about 85kg too and very powerfully built, after i was down and out he stamped on my head, fracturing my skull, almost breaking my neck and bursting my eardrum. The toilet floor was literally a puddle of blood as it ran out of my ear. Only thing i remember was the morning that day and waking up in a coma, my friend who was there filled me in with the details.

Why did he do it, because he was drunk and randomly picked me out. He got sentenced to 3years but it should have been way more, the fact that the night before he’d attacked someone else too![/quote]

The fucking filthy cowardly animals among us must be weeded out. You can bitch and moan about the horrors of prison all you want. Frankly, I do not give a fuck. Redemption is our own responsibility. It is not society’s job to hold your fucking hand and move you to civility or figure out your fucking loose screws. If you want the help, the resources ARE there - even in prison. You either want to be part of the tribe or not. Go to jail, fail to redeem, come out and repeat, you go the fuck back and fuck you very much. And if you take a life, you forfeit yours. Simple. When we start taking murderous animals to the center of town and promptly hanging the motherfuckers in front of everyone, instead of indoctrinating them to a life of prison (which people adjust to), I guaran-fuckin-tee you the murder rate drops. No fucking 5 year appeals. You’re convicted in court, and your ass is then transported to the town square where you are executed then and there for all the other little murderous animals to see. That we don’t do this is the problem, not the conditions of our prisons and not our inability to “rehabilitate”. Consequences ladies and gentlemen, real consequences. Our entire social structure was built on such consequences. It only when we became “civilized” and decided those civilities should be given to those that would act uncivilized is that our problems began. When we were forming societies, if you wanted to be the odd man out, your ass was out. Period. Problem solved, and those on the fence fell into line with social norms, like not murdering and assaulting innocent people.

Fuck that motherfucker in the video and fuck every single one of you with sympathy for him.
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Amen.

The punishment never fits the crime but if we did bring back harsher punishments, like you say, crime rates will drop a mile, cowards will be disappear and streets will be safer instead of being filled with repeat offenders who didn’t learn the first time that attacking, killing, maiming, raping etc someone is not right!

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[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
I’m going to agree with Nards. This Ryuu kid is parrotting the kind of silly attitude that is easily refuted in practice. He/she probably thinks communism is a great form of government too.[/quote]

So easy that you made no attempt to do so… yeah.

Also, no, I’m no communist. Strange that you would make such an assertion… =/[/quote]

Why don’t you explain how you drew the conclusion that the law is not an effective deterrant to crime based on nothing other than the increased per-capita rate of crime? If you honestly think that’s the only variable at play in an overwhelmingly complex issue, then I have nothing to say to you. Or hell, maybe you can tell me how you expertly determined that this man has a chemical imbalance based on a 15-second video clip, while of course knowing nothing about him personally.[/quote]

Have you even read my posts? Virutally all these issues have been adressed.

  1. Note, violent crime. I’m comparring laws that existed in the past and still exist to this day.
  2. He is either psychologically imbalanced, or chemically imbalanced. If you have another theory, nows the time to say it. [/quote]

I’ll answer. You’re haven’t compared shit. Please provide your credible references that form the foundation for your opinion. I want to see the statistics. Violent crime is on the rise because of the failures of our systems. Not because punishment isn’t the answer, but because we do not punish harshly enough.

Compare our drug crimes to those countries where trafficking in narcotics is a death penalty. Whose drug crime rates do you think is higher? Compare our murder rates to those countries where prompt, swift execution is the norm. Whose murder rate do you think is higher. And before you bother me with those studies that would suggest that capital punishment in the US has had no effect upon homicides, I will tell you that the appeal process, lasting for years, takes the bite right out of capital punishment. I said SWIFT capital punishment. And I said make it public. Right down to the town where the crime was committed or the victims lived, shut everything down in that town and have a public fucking execution for all to see.

And now, doctor left-wing, you have diagnosed this fuck nut from the video? I’ll tell you what he is. He is fucking uncivilized. And what do we do with uncivilized people? We remove them from the fucking tribe. He attacked someone weaker. No more, no less. He didn’t attack someone capable of defending himself BECAUSE HE DOES NOT SUFFER SOME UNKNOWN MALADY AS YOUR INTERNET AMATEUR DIAGNOSIS SUGGESTS. That he preys on the weak, suggests that there IS a thought process there, a cunning, a calculation. You stupid hippie bleeding from your liberal ass idiot.

And to all you stupid fucks comparing this to a fight, fuck yourself. This wasn’t a fight. This was an attack. Reserve voluntary and involuntary manslaughter for those that get in mutual fights where death is an unintended or necessary consequence - not for these animals who tip toe up to the weaker and attack.

I fully support your right to be a stupid hippie bleeding from your liberal ass idiot, but I’ll at least respect it when you or a family member is a victim of such a crime and you plead for the offenders salvation and rehabilitation. Absent that, your pie in the fucking sky bullshit is just that…bullshit.

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[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

Have you even read my posts? Virutally all these issues have been adressed.

  1. Note, violent crime. I’m comparring laws that existed in the past and still exist to this day.
  2. He is either psychologically imbalanced, or chemically imbalanced. If you have another theory, nows the time to say it. [/quote]

So what is your actual experience with violent criminals?

Have you been one, or are you currently?

Do you work on the therapeutic side of it?

If you want to make a claim without at the very least some academic citations, Establish some credibility as to how you have developed your opinion as expressed here.

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[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

Have you even read my posts? Virutally all these issues have been adressed.

  1. Note, violent crime. I’m comparring laws that existed in the past and still exist to this day.
  2. He is either psychologically imbalanced, or chemically imbalanced. If you have another theory, nows the time to say it. [/quote]

Fucking chemical imbalance or not, when he let rip on an innocent man, he knew he was breaking the law! A law which is there to protect people from stuff like this happening - he knew it was illegal, thus he has to take responsibility and punishment for his actions. God knows how you can complicate something so incredibly simple into actually having sympathy for this arsehole.

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[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
I’m going to agree with Nards. This Ryuu kid is parrotting the kind of silly attitude that is easily refuted in practice. He/she probably thinks communism is a great form of government too.[/quote]

So easy that you made no attempt to do so… yeah.

Also, no, I’m no communist. Strange that you would make such an assertion… =/[/quote]

Why don’t you explain how you drew the conclusion that the law is not an effective deterrant to crime based on nothing other than the increased per-capita rate of crime? If you honestly think that’s the only variable at play in an overwhelmingly complex issue, then I have nothing to say to you. Or hell, maybe you can tell me how you expertly determined that this man has a chemical imbalance based on a 15-second video clip, while of course knowing nothing about him personally.[/quote]

Have you even read my posts? Virutally all these issues have been adressed.

  1. Note, violent crime. I’m comparring laws that existed in the past and still exist to this day.
  2. He is either psychologically imbalanced, or chemically imbalanced. If you have another theory, nows the time to say it. [/quote]

Looks like this has been answered since I last posted in this thread, but let me reiterate:

1)You didn’t address a single thing. You made a flippant remark and gave no support for it. I don’t know how you think that resolves anything.

2)Or we can go with the blatantly obvious answer: he’s a piece of shit braggart who was looking for a mark so he could show off. If your first thought upon seeing that video is that some chemical imbalance caused him to act that way, then you clearly have no concept of personal responsibility. Untold millions have lived with chemical imbalances throughout the course of human history, and the overwhelming majority have not acted so ignorantly as this man. As has already been pointed out, violent crime has risen as we have removed personal accountability from the justice system.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

It’s specifically BECAUSE plenty of persons get drunk every weekend without cold-cocking someone that this man is peculiar. There’s something wrong with him. Trying to solve the problem rather than just locking him up for a while seems to be the clearly superior method to me, but I guess none of you see that.

Treating him keeps him away from society all the same, so your argument is moot in this respect. As for deterrents, law clearly is not. Violent crime is higher, not lower. Besides, even if it worked as a deterrent, you wouldn’t be solving their psychological and/or chemical problems, you would merely be suppressing it.

Also, you don’t know me or my past so your theory is unfalsifiable and unverifiable, making it pointless.

You think yourself some hardcore realist. Apparently, this is an illusion shared by many on this site. But trust me and I’m being kind when I say, you’re merely deriving an ought from an is. [/quote]

Do you masturbate to ejaculate these pseudo-intellectual cum stains. Are do they merely eject from your mouth like a wet fart, leaving yet another stain in rear?

He’s not peculiar in any sense. There are plenty of idiots in every bar, every night, that haul off and crack someone. I know. Because I had the pleasure of grabbing those anti-social motherfuckers by their neck and showing them the door 100s of times. And although I am no bully, I would be praying those silly motherfuckers would make me the target of their anti-social bullying behavior so that I could unleash my own justice upon these animals. I never got my satisfaction. None of these cowards was stupid enough to direct their aggression in my direction. Well, there were two. I forgot. It didn’t go well for them. And sometimes someone is seriously injured (aggravated assault) or dies (murder, or variations thereof) as a result of those assaults. And when that recklessness results in such an outcome, you have to pay the price - however inconvenient or fucked up prisons are, it’s what we have at the moment. There are those among us that are comfortable with violence, particularly against the weak or weaker among us, and this case is no different, not “peculiar”. It was anything but “peculiar”, it was “typical” and the assault was committed by a cowardly bully.

This is not a debate about our prison systems and failures at rehabilitation. This is about removing a dangerous (yes, dangerous because he plies his trade against those that are weaker than he) criminal from society, to separate him for his rights, as punishment for his crime. If during those 6 years you want be volunteer as a counselor where he is incarcerated and listen to his story and perhaps masturbate him under the visiting room tables and touch him like his uncle did when he was 5, then have at it. I’d at least respect that commitment, however misguided, as opposed to your liberal musings delivered from your bedroom in Canada.

Hardcore realist? Did you invent that label? If you’re going to invent labels, at least define them for us so that we can follow along with your thoughtstains.

And although violent crime is higher and we live in a violent world, those of us with the higher reasoning skills and moral compass to fit into civilized society, are deterred by the prospect of punishment. I can honestly say I do not give the beatings I would love to deliver and that are richly deserved, because I do not want to be taken from my loved ones and children. I do not want to forfeit my freedoms. Those animals among us with lower reasoning skills, still understand punishment. Remove punishment and crime would rise even higher. Counseling is not punishment. At least the monkeys among us TRY TO GO UNDETECTED FOR THEIR CRIMES. I’m sure they would be much more brazen the minute we get all Canandian-touchy-feely on them and lend an ear to the “my uncle touched my pee pee when I was 4” excuses for their anti-social and violent behavior.

Nice try. Stick to hockey. [/quote]

So this is what passes for wit around here, eh?

He’s peculiar in the same way anyone so quick to be violent is peculiar… I don’t know why you ranted so much about such a small thing. =/

I don’t particularly care about your personal experiences because they are not statistically significant, therefore NOT an argument for a statistically significant course of action. The numbers point towards prisons NOT lowering crime as violent crime is going up.

And why is this not a debate about our prison systems and failures at rehabilitation? Because you say so? Oh, that’s right, YOU came to ME, I suppose that means you have the right to tell me what I’m talking about… =/
Also, I’ve already stated that treatment keeps them away from society all the same, which makes this argument of yours completely redundant. Also, I’m no liberal. In fact you couldn’t be more wrong. What is with persons on this site and drawing such irrational conclusions so prematurely?

I called you a “hardcore realist” because that’s what you’re trying to be. Your argument (excluding the ad hominems, straw mans and non-sequiturs) essentially amounts to “Phh, your sissy “helping people” theory can’t work, violent people need to be imprisoned! Beaten even! That’s how the REAL world works”. Which is psychotic and so far unbacked by any rational reasoning.

So prisons work because it deters persons who already are not prone to violent behavior? WTF? Do you even think about your arguments before you submit them? How utterly pointless a system is if it only deters those who need no deterrents. =/

I mean, you’re absolutely psychotic! You walk around LOOKING for an excuse to hurt persons? You WANT to enact vengeance? The ONLY thing stopping you is the threat of prison? You are every bit as insane as the persons you so virulently seek to attack.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
I’m going to agree with Nards. This Ryuu kid is parrotting the kind of silly attitude that is easily refuted in practice. He/she probably thinks communism is a great form of government too.[/quote]

So easy that you made no attempt to do so… yeah.

Also, no, I’m no communist. Strange that you would make such an assertion… =/[/quote]

Why don’t you explain how you drew the conclusion that the law is not an effective deterrant to crime based on nothing other than the increased per-capita rate of crime? If you honestly think that’s the only variable at play in an overwhelmingly complex issue, then I have nothing to say to you. Or hell, maybe you can tell me how you expertly determined that this man has a chemical imbalance based on a 15-second video clip, while of course knowing nothing about him personally.[/quote]

Have you even read my posts? Virutally all these issues have been adressed.

  1. Note, violent crime. I’m comparring laws that existed in the past and still exist to this day.
  2. He is either psychologically imbalanced, or chemically imbalanced. If you have another theory, nows the time to say it. [/quote]

I’ll answer. You’re haven’t compared shit. Please provide your credible references that form the foundation for your opinion. I want to see the statistics. Violent crime is on the rise because of the failures of our systems. Not because punishment isn’t the answer, but because we do not punish harshly enough.

MOAR VENGEANCE!!!

If you’ve already accepted that crime is higher now, then exactly what sort of statistics do you want??? You want statistics showing that crime is lower in less maniacal countries? well, okay… List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia

As you can see, intentional homicide rates per 100,000 population in North America is about 6.5. Compare that to East Europe (15.7) and Southern Africa (37.3!) and you see that, relative to homicide, having a stricter government doesn’t do shit for lowering crime rates. I would argue that just the opposite his true. Making the law stricter on punishment merely suppresses violent behaviour until it becomes something lethal. This is what you opt for, suppression of the problem, NOT a solution to the problem.

The rest of your post was incoherent rambling mirroring things you’ve already said, so I’m going to leave it at that.

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

Have you even read my posts? Virutally all these issues have been adressed.

  1. Note, violent crime. I’m comparring laws that existed in the past and still exist to this day.
  2. He is either psychologically imbalanced, or chemically imbalanced. If you have another theory, nows the time to say it. [/quote]

So what is your actual experience with violent criminals?

Have you been one, or are you currently?

Do you work on the therapeutic side of it?

If you want to make a claim without at the very least some academic citations, Establish some credibility as to how you have developed your opinion as expressed here.
[/quote]

Actually, I’m purposefully NOT mentioning any credentials of mine because authority is NOT a replacement for an argument. I know it would be easier for the lazy among us to simply look at whomever has the largest degree collection and follow him like a herd of sheep, but that’s not what I want. You’re going to actually have to read my arguments, consider the evidence and make up your mind for yourself.

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[quote]RTJenforcer wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

Have you even read my posts? Virutally all these issues have been adressed.

  1. Note, violent crime. I’m comparring laws that existed in the past and still exist to this day.
  2. He is either psychologically imbalanced, or chemically imbalanced. If you have another theory, nows the time to say it. [/quote]

Fucking chemical imbalance or not, when he let rip on an innocent man, he knew he was breaking the law! A law which is there to protect people from stuff like this happening - he knew it was illegal, thus he has to take responsibility and punishment for his actions. God knows how you can complicate something so incredibly simple into actually having sympathy for this arsehole.
[/quote]

You saw this man do one act and you condemn him in his entirety. You’re so quick to judge, what’s so wrong with preffering a solution, with wanting to actually find out what mechanism in his mind or biology caused this and work to solve it rather than just jumping right to “lock the fuckers up”?

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[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
I’m going to agree with Nards. This Ryuu kid is parrotting the kind of silly attitude that is easily refuted in practice. He/she probably thinks communism is a great form of government too.[/quote]

So easy that you made no attempt to do so… yeah.

Also, no, I’m no communist. Strange that you would make such an assertion… =/[/quote]

Why don’t you explain how you drew the conclusion that the law is not an effective deterrant to crime based on nothing other than the increased per-capita rate of crime? If you honestly think that’s the only variable at play in an overwhelmingly complex issue, then I have nothing to say to you. Or hell, maybe you can tell me how you expertly determined that this man has a chemical imbalance based on a 15-second video clip, while of course knowing nothing about him personally.[/quote]

Have you even read my posts? Virutally all these issues have been adressed.

  1. Note, violent crime. I’m comparring laws that existed in the past and still exist to this day.
  2. He is either psychologically imbalanced, or chemically imbalanced. If you have another theory, nows the time to say it. [/quote]

Looks like this has been answered since I last posted in this thread, but let me reiterate:

1)You didn’t address a single thing. You made a flippant remark and gave no support for it. I don’t know how you think that resolves anything.

2)Or we can go with the blatantly obvious answer: he’s a piece of shit braggart who was looking for a mark so he could show off. If your first thought upon seeing that video is that some chemical imbalance caused him to act that way, then you clearly have no concept of personal responsibility. Untold millions have lived with chemical imbalances throughout the course of human history, and the overwhelming majority have not acted so ignorantly as this man. As has already been pointed out, violent crime has risen as we have removed personal accountability from the justice system.

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  1. Nobody asked. Besides, most arguments made towards me were predicated around the assumption of high crime rates, which tells me you are all either idiots or you’ve done at least some research yourselves.

  2. Non-sequitur. You’ve totally ignored the second theory I postulated and have merely re-asserted things already said. Besides, whether the problem is chemical or psychological isn’t the point, so you’re essentially arguing about nothing.

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[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

It’s specifically BECAUSE plenty of persons get drunk every weekend without cold-cocking someone that this man is peculiar. There’s something wrong with him. Trying to solve the problem rather than just locking him up for a while seems to be the clearly superior method to me, but I guess none of you see that.

Treating him keeps him away from society all the same, so your argument is moot in this respect. As for deterrents, law clearly is not. Violent crime is higher, not lower. Besides, even if it worked as a deterrent, you wouldn’t be solving their psychological and/or chemical problems, you would merely be suppressing it.

Also, you don’t know me or my past so your theory is unfalsifiable and unverifiable, making it pointless.

You think yourself some hardcore realist. Apparently, this is an illusion shared by many on this site. But trust me and I’m being kind when I say, you’re merely deriving an ought from an is. [/quote]

Do you masturbate to ejaculate these pseudo-intellectual cum stains. Are do they merely eject from your mouth like a wet fart, leaving yet another stain in rear?

He’s not peculiar in any sense. There are plenty of idiots in every bar, every night, that haul off and crack someone. I know. Because I had the pleasure of grabbing those anti-social motherfuckers by their neck and showing them the door 100s of times. And although I am no bully, I would be praying those silly motherfuckers would make me the target of their anti-social bullying behavior so that I could unleash my own justice upon these animals. I never got my satisfaction. None of these cowards was stupid enough to direct their aggression in my direction. Well, there were two. I forgot. It didn’t go well for them. And sometimes someone is seriously injured (aggravated assault) or dies (murder, or variations thereof) as a result of those assaults. And when that recklessness results in such an outcome, you have to pay the price - however inconvenient or fucked up prisons are, it’s what we have at the moment. There are those among us that are comfortable with violence, particularly against the weak or weaker among us, and this case is no different, not “peculiar”. It was anything but “peculiar”, it was “typical” and the assault was committed by a cowardly bully.

This is not a debate about our prison systems and failures at rehabilitation. This is about removing a dangerous (yes, dangerous because he plies his trade against those that are weaker than he) criminal from society, to separate him for his rights, as punishment for his crime. If during those 6 years you want be volunteer as a counselor where he is incarcerated and listen to his story and perhaps masturbate him under the visiting room tables and touch him like his uncle did when he was 5, then have at it. I’d at least respect that commitment, however misguided, as opposed to your liberal musings delivered from your bedroom in Canada.

Hardcore realist? Did you invent that label? If you’re going to invent labels, at least define them for us so that we can follow along with your thoughtstains.

And although violent crime is higher and we live in a violent world, those of us with the higher reasoning skills and moral compass to fit into civilized society, are deterred by the prospect of punishment. I can honestly say I do not give the beatings I would love to deliver and that are richly deserved, because I do not want to be taken from my loved ones and children. I do not want to forfeit my freedoms. Those animals among us with lower reasoning skills, still understand punishment. Remove punishment and crime would rise even higher. Counseling is not punishment. At least the monkeys among us TRY TO GO UNDETECTED FOR THEIR CRIMES. I’m sure they would be much more brazen the minute we get all Canandian-touchy-feely on them and lend an ear to the “my uncle touched my pee pee when I was 4” excuses for their anti-social and violent behavior.

Nice try. Stick to hockey. [/quote]

So this is what passes for wit around here, eh?

He’s peculiar in the same way anyone so quick to be violent is peculiar… I don’t know why you ranted so much about such a small thing. =/

I don’t particularly care about your personal experiences because they are not statistically significant, therefore NOT an argument for a statistically significant course of action. The numbers point towards prisons NOT lowering crime as violent crime is going up.

And why is this not a debate about our prison systems and failures at rehabilitation? Because you say so? Oh, that’s right, YOU came to ME, I suppose that means you have the right to tell me what I’m talking about… =/
Also, I’ve already stated that treatment keeps them away from society all the same, which makes this argument of yours completely redundant. Also, I’m no liberal. In fact you couldn’t be more wrong. What is with persons on this site and drawing such irrational conclusions so prematurely?

I called you a “hardcore realist” because that’s what you’re trying to be. Your argument (excluding the ad hominems, straw mans and non-sequiturs) essentially amounts to “Phh, your sissy “helping people” theory can’t work, violent people need to be imprisoned! Beaten even! That’s how the REAL world works”. Which is psychotic and so far unbacked by any rational reasoning.

So prisons work because it deters persons who already are not prone to violent behavior? WTF? Do you even think about your arguments before you submit them? How utterly pointless a system is if it only deters those who need no deterrents. =/

I mean, you’re absolutely psychotic! You walk around LOOKING for an excuse to hurt persons? You WANT to enact vengeance? The ONLY thing stopping you is the threat of prison? You are every bit as insane as the persons you so virulently seek to attack. [/quote]

LOL

Provide your supporting statistics that PUNISHMENT DOES NOT DETER CRIME.

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[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
I’m going to agree with Nards. This Ryuu kid is parrotting the kind of silly attitude that is easily refuted in practice. He/she probably thinks communism is a great form of government too.[/quote]

So easy that you made no attempt to do so… yeah.

Also, no, I’m no communist. Strange that you would make such an assertion… =/[/quote]

Why don’t you explain how you drew the conclusion that the law is not an effective deterrant to crime based on nothing other than the increased per-capita rate of crime? If you honestly think that’s the only variable at play in an overwhelmingly complex issue, then I have nothing to say to you. Or hell, maybe you can tell me how you expertly determined that this man has a chemical imbalance based on a 15-second video clip, while of course knowing nothing about him personally.[/quote]

Have you even read my posts? Virutally all these issues have been adressed.

  1. Note, violent crime. I’m comparring laws that existed in the past and still exist to this day.
  2. He is either psychologically imbalanced, or chemically imbalanced. If you have another theory, nows the time to say it. [/quote]

I’ll answer. You’re haven’t compared shit. Please provide your credible references that form the foundation for your opinion. I want to see the statistics. Violent crime is on the rise because of the failures of our systems. Not because punishment isn’t the answer, but because we do not punish harshly enough.

MOAR VENGEANCE!!!

If you’ve already accepted that crime is higher now, then exactly what sort of statistics do you want??? You want statistics showing that crime is lower in less maniacal countries? well, okay… List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia

As you can see, intentional homicide rates per 100,000 population in North America is about 6.5. Compare that to East Europe (15.7) and Southern Africa (37.3!) and you see that, relative to homicide, having a stricter government doesn’t do shit for lowering crime rates. I would argue that just the opposite his true. Making the law stricter on punishment merely suppresses violent behaviour until it becomes something lethal. This is what you opt for, suppression of the problem, NOT a solution to the problem.

The rest of your post was incoherent rambling mirroring things you’ve already said, so I’m going to leave it at that.
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If you think what passes for “government” in Africa is relevant, you’re dumber than I thought.

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If you’ve already accepted that crime is higher now, then exactly what sort of statistics do you want??? You want statistics showing that crime is lower in less maniacal countries? well, okay… http://en.wikipedia.org/...l_homicide_rate

As you can see, intentional homicide rates per 100,000 population in North America is about 6.5. Compare that to East Europe (15.7) and Southern Africa (37.3!) and you see that, relative to homicide, having a stricter government doesn’t do shit for lowering crime rates. I would argue that just the opposite his true. Making the law stricter on punishment merely suppresses violent behaviour until it becomes something lethal. This is what you opt for, suppression of the problem, NOT a solution to the problem.

OK you dumb fuck since you seem to be well a dumb fuck. If you for one second think that eastern european countries, or more so South Africa has a stricter government you are delusional.

You can debate till your face turns blue, but until someone comes up with a better solution to deal with crime that is also PRACTICALLY FEASIBLE prisons are what have to be used to deal with it.

On another note, Saudi Arabia is you can clearly notice has one of the lowest crime rates according to those statistics provided by you and the govern there is tighter than a virgin’s asshole: → disproving your theory

I would argue that just the opposite his true. Making the law stricter on punishment merely suppresses violent behaviour until it becomes something lethal. This is what you opt for, suppression of the problem, NOT a solution to the problem.

Suppresses violent behaviour? until it becomes lethal? what the hell are you talking about?

You are basically saying that we will inevitably give in to our primal instincts or better yet( suppression ), override them (solution)?

with that attitude you are basically reducing society to live like animals or be “cured” of it. Which in theory is fine but to maintain a functioning society is absolutely impossible.

A lot of people who sit in the comfort of their luxuries have big mouths about issues such as these because they are never touched by any of the issues. We as humans are not owed anything by the world, in life we are not entitled to anything. Western culture was based on the human ability to make moral choices. If you want to live in a society that has other norms you can feel free to go and join them, you will soon realize that it might not fit with your lifestyle the way you think. Unless you have actually gone anywhere else and experienced how other cultures operate you won’t understand how great the north american lifestyle is (used to be ) even with all it’s flaws.

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[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

Have you even read my posts? Virutally all these issues have been adressed.

  1. Note, violent crime. I’m comparring laws that existed in the past and still exist to this day.
  2. He is either psychologically imbalanced, or chemically imbalanced. If you have another theory, nows the time to say it. [/quote]

So what is your actual experience with violent criminals?

Have you been one, or are you currently?

Do you work on the therapeutic side of it?

If you want to make a claim without at the very least some academic citations, Establish some credibility as to how you have developed your opinion as expressed here.
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Actually, I’m purposefully NOT mentioning any credentials of mine because authority is NOT a replacement for an argument. I know it would be easier for the lazy among us to simply look at whomever has the largest degree collection and follow him like a herd of sheep, but that’s not what I want. You’re going to actually have to read my arguments, consider the evidence and make up your mind for yourself. [/quote]

Oh, Right. So you don’t have any.

You haven’t presented an argument or any evidence to back it. Certainly not in any formal or comprehensive manner, anyways.

Posturing as an authority FAIL. Go troll somewhere else. You remind me of another farce who’s been stinking up these boards for the past few weeks with her pseudo intellectual garbage.

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Omg… don’t feed the troll… its apparent that Ryuu is absolutely a troll. He has done nothing but reword his previous comments adding zero substance(straw man arguments spread throughout). If he wasn’t a troll he’d at least attempt to show something with statistical relevance to back his claim.

Also even if he was a leading doctor in some shit(its late lol) sense he wants us to believe in such… and 88.9% of the time these cases show that this persons mental state is an issue and he needs medical treatment over prison etc… As a doctor(or anyone that is capable of reading) he would know this man could be part of the 11.1% and a 15 sec video is not even remotely enough to confirm any diagnosis.

Also… member from 2008 with only 41 posts… and its this thread that accounts for probably more than half. He either was incredibly passionate about this topic even though similar have been covered in the past or hes trolling.

not sure what I just wrote… I was on my way to bed… sorry if grammar/spelling basic logic is flawed… to lazy to check.