One Plate, Two Plate, Three Plate, Four!

Nice veins! Its cool to see those in the tummy too!
Heart rate m …maybe the FT40 looks the same.

This may be of interest to you…

Of Whooshes and Squishy Fat

A few weeks back I answered a question about Not Losing Fat at a 20% Deficit, What Should I Do? and among other things, one comment I made had to do with a water retention that often occurs during fat loss which can mask fat loss and make it appear as if the diet is not working. I also mentioned specifically that I had written (with a straight-face no less) about whooshes in The Stubborn Fat Solution, along with a related phenomenon which I call squishy fat.

In any case, to expand on that issue, I?m going to excerpt the chapter section from The Stubborn Fat Solution dealing with both phenomena. With that introduction, I give you (again, with a straight face)?

Of Whooshes and Squishy Fat

Before you freak out and think you?ve entered some weird Internet forum where people talk about stalls and whooshes, please bear with me; there?s actually some physiological rationale to what I?m going to discuss.

Many people have noted that fat loss is often discontinuous, that is it often happens in stops and starts. So you?ll be dieting and dieting and doing everything correctly with nothing to show for it. Then, boom, almost overnight, you drop 4 pounds and look leaner.

What?s going on? Back during my college days, one of my professors threw out the idea that after fat cells had been emptied of stored triglyceride, they would temporarily refill with water (glycerol attracts water, which might be part of the mechanism). So there would be no immediate change in size, body weight or appearance. Then, after some time frame, the water would get dropped, the fat cells would shrink. A weird way of looking at it might be that the fat loss suddenly becomes ?apparent?. That is, the fat was emptied and burned off days or weeks ago but until the water is dropped, nothing appears to have happened.

For nearly 20 years I looked for research to support this, I was never sure if it was based on something from the 50?s or he just pulled it out of thin air as an explanation. Recently, one paper did suggest that visceral fat can fill up with water after massive weight loss but that?s about it.

Somewhat circumstantially, people using Bioimpedance body fat scales (which use hydration to estimate body fat levels) have noted that body fat appears to go up right before a big drop. This implicates water balance as the issue here.

As well, women, who have more problems with water retention, seem to have bigger issues with stalls and whooshes than men. Further, some individuals who have done dry carb-loads (high carbohydrate refeeds without drinking a lot of water) have seen them occur; presumably the body pulls water into the muscles and out of other tissues (fat cells). In lean individuals, appearance is often drastically improved with this approach, it doesn?t do much for those carrying a lot of fat.

I?d note that dry carb-loads suck because you?re so damn thirsty. Interestingly, even normal refeeds often work in this regards, perhaps the hormonal effect ?tells? the body to chill out and release some water. So not only do refeeds seem to improve stubborn fat mobilization the next day (as discussed above), they may help the body drop some water so that you can see what is happening.

Finally, many have reported whooshes following an evening which included alcohol. A mild diuretic, this would also tend to implicate water balance issues in the whoosh phenomenon.

I?d also note that this isn?t universal, lean dieters often see visual improvements on a day to day basis; a lot seems to depend on whether or not they tend to retain water in general. Folks who do have problems with water retention tend to have stalls and whooshes, those who don?t show nice consistent visual changes.

On a related topic, I wanted to discuss something else that often happens when people are getting very lean and dealing with stubborn body fat: the fat gets squishy, feeling almost like there are small marbles under the skin. Yes, very scientific, I know. That?s the best I can do.

As folks get very lean, down to the last pounds of fat, the skin and fat cells that are left will often change appearance and texture. It will look dimply (as the fat cells which are supporting the skin shrink and the skin isn?t supported) and feel squishy to the touch. This is bad in that it looks really weird, but it?s good because it means that the fat is going away. I have nothing truly profound to say about this topic, just realizes that it happens and usually indicates good things are happening.
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Lyle McDonald

I have read that article too Up. Unfortunately last weeks issues were PMS and poor food choices :smiley:


this was Mondays info
Weight~ 134

Training~

pullups
6
6
6

Rear delt rows
12x80
10x80

Seated BO rows
15x12’s
12x12’s
12x12’s

Hammer curls alternating
20x20’s
20x20’s

Reverse curls
10x30

Cardio~ eliptical intervals 20 min

519 cals
14% fat burn
50:27 min long
ave heart rate 164 max 188

Weight~ 133

training~
warm up: row 500m, BB complex, dead 6x135x2

deads
8x200
7x200
5x200 (fell out of rep range)

Squats
6x160
6x160

Seated leg curls
12x90
12x90

walking lunges with 30’s
20

Calves toes on plate
10x35’sx3

super set with

decline situps
15x3

bike for 3 min.

503 cals (crazy what leg day burns!)
16%fat burn
ave heart rate 159 max 186
51:11 duration

I am having a bit of an issue. I currently love the way I look and dont have any ambition to diet. There, I said it. Out loud.

After Tough Mudder last year I felt awesome having completed something like that. I LOVE setting goals and the feeling you get when you reach them. However, it also made me realize that I wanted to LOOK like I worked out. There were some pretty built ladies there and I liked how they looked.

Thats when I decided to do a bulk and then lean out and compete.

The bulk I did, and I busted my ass and I am happy with the results. Big time. There were times when it was right hard (the workouts) but it being hard did not make me unhappy.

Now I am dieting and I am unhappy. I must admit I really like what I looked like at 129 and I will most likely shoot to stay between 125-129 but dieting down to comp levels at this point is not my thing and I actually worry that the rebound will be horrific.

I have been struggling with this decision since I began the diet part as I felt that I was letting myself down if I didnt do it. Like I was quitting. But I believe that its not quitting just realizing what is right for me and what is not.

I get a charge out of lifting heavy numbers and pushing myself in those ways not by leaning out to BF levels that I know will mess with my body and my mind.

I am going to continue with some fat loss until I hit a scale weight of 125 and then I am going to bulk again.

This isnt to say I wont compete down the road, but right now its not in the books.

I learned alot thus far (thanks J!) More so then I have in a long time. The biggest thing was that I have ALOT more in me than I usually give myself credit for and that the best results come from when you are uncomfortable. You need to push hard to make change.

I will still push hard with diet to make those changes, but I dont want to be extreme at this point, which competing would be.

Well hot damn girly, I go away for a couple of months(?) and now look at you. Looking good!! Have no advice on competing, at this point in my life I just tell people to do what makes them happy especially if they are accomplishing something too.

Hi Coyote,

I have never actually written anything in this or any other forum, however, I have been a lurker for over a year. I came across your log about 10 months ago and I have to tell you, I follow yours and 3 other women EVERY day. I am fairly new to lifting and have been doing some serious body recomp with some guidance from my boyfriend, but I had to tell you how important your log has been to my progress.

You are strong, yet very feminine, and you do it with 3 kids, a husband and a job! Incredible! You look like I keep working to achieve (love that avatar)! And you like to lift lots of weight which I think is phenomenal! I get flack from my family and friends all the time about ‘lifting weights’, getting ‘too big’, prioritizing being healthy, etc. so reading your log and following someone like-minded is very helpful and supportive …in a weird way!

Regardless, I just wanted to tell you that whatever you choose to do with the show (I did love that suit you picked out), I think you look amazing! Your progress is fantastic. And just don’t stop posting, good stuff (you are too nice with the bank lady) and bad (I completely related to the sausage fingers) because this fellow Ontario girl would be very sad! Lol.

mini!!! Where ya been chakita?? Thanks for stopping by and the well wishes :slight_smile:

Chunky~ thank you so much for stepping out and telling me all that. I meant ALOT to me. It boosted me up when I felt a bit like a quitter or the person choosing the easy path.

Dont worry about me quitting logging. Logging on the internet is the only way I have contact with other like minded people! I also still have lots of goals that I plan to hammer down on. its not over yet!

I love my suit too :slight_smile: I will wear it one day, but it will be when I am confident with the amount of muscle I am wearing. Right now I dont feel like I am big enough to be truly competitive and I really dont want to get on stage feeling that way. I think that if I did diet down to competition leanness with my current mind frame and I turned out to be too small and placed badly I might loose my mind :smiley:

You keep up the good fight too :slight_smile: Dont let those family members bother you…I find that people are intimidated by what they dont understand and they show it in funny ways.

Maybe start a log here? I would love to read it :slight_smile:


SO the game plan right now is:

get down to 125. I figure at that weight my BF will be at a level that I will be able to see my weaknesses (and strengths) better so that my next bulk can be specialized.

I gave myself 10 weeks to do this.

Then I want to maintain at that weight for about a month so things settle down.

Then it will be bulk time again! (first thing first tho!)

Weight~ 131

Training
warm up~ BB complex

Clean and press
3x65
3x95
2x105
1x115
1x120
1x125
1x125
1x130
Nice! I figure with some from tweeks I will be good at these! (I am in a friendly comp. where every month is a different lift and you get scored by your wilks value. This month is clean and press)

BB incline bench
8x95
8x100
6x100

OHP DB’s
9 right arm and 10 left arm with 30#
10x30 (even this time, lol)

Side lat raises (worked out at home today so my DB’s go from 10 to 15)
12x15’s
12x15’s by 8 reps they became half reps but OH THE BURN, lol
12x15’s by 6 “”

Cardio~
20 min intervals. 1 min fast one min speed walk

Duration 57:30 (took time farting around with the cleans)
510 cals
24% fat burn (fat doesnt like intervals)
ave heart rate 149 max 184

125# clean and press

130# clean and press

lemme know if you think anything needs to change.

Weight~ 131

Training~
warm up treadmill 3 min jog, BB complex.

Pullups
6
7
6
I have no idea why I didnt do 7 the first round. Day dreamer…
Today I found that the muscles needed to activate the pullup were dead to the world. For every one I had to do a wee bit if a kip to get started. Weird. End of the week and tired I guess.

Face Pulls (finally got the nerve to try these out. I will have to rewatch the video tho for cable height)
12x40 rope
12x50 rope
12x50 v thing…worked way better then rope.

Seated BO raises
15x12’s
15x12’s
15x12’s

Curls straight bar
6x60, 4x50
3x60, 4x50, 3x40

reverse curls
10x30

Cardio~ 20 min intervals 1 min fast one min speed walk

Duration 51:31
499 cals
17%fat burn
ave heart rate 157 max 189

I am tired today. I have had DOMS most of the week which is unusual. Really slacked on water which may have been some of the cause.
This weekend I want to do nothing but walk my dog somewhere in the bush. Sounds heavenly. :slight_smile: And lay in bed as long as I want on Sunday!

Ahhh, Im sure you know best, so i wont try to talk you out of it. I can understand what you are saying, although i have seen some girls drop weight and BAM a body part that “seemed” non-existent was actually pretty
darn great. I could be wrong, but it sounds like you are just realizing what a strong looking build means to you. I get that. Nothing wrong there!!

I would NOT call you a “quitter”, you KILL IT EVERY TIME!! You have to want it.

The only comment I can make on the C&P is STRONG! Ill leave “form” comments to someone who knows OLY lifts.

You should look defined enough to see whats going on, down another 5#. Good luck with that!

Thanks Up :slight_smile: You know how to make a gal feel good :slight_smile:

A bodyweight clean and press is friggin’ excellent.

thanks Git! Hoping to get a few more pounds on there by the end of the month. I will work these 2X per week now until then in reps of 2 and 1. Taller plates should help with a better start off and apparently ending in the jerk. We shall see!


weight~ 131. Didnt diet this weekend but maintained my weight throughout. Had lots of yummy food like bagels with almond butter and jam, pancakes and bacon, nachos…back atter on Monday

Cardio~ 1:20 hiking on the snow machine trails :slight_smile:
Mild out today! No sun but the air felt great.

Didnt feel the best today. I had the aches in my legs and toes as well as my bean. Took an ibuprofen and decided I would give leg day my best effort regardless.

Weight~ 131

Training~

warm up treadmill jog 3 min, bb complex, deads 6x135x2

deads
6x205
6x205
2x205

Squats
8x150 (went lighter as I wasnt sure how my legs would hold out as the deads had me feeling pretty crappy. It was fine tho, I should have kept the weight up)
8x160

Seated leg curls
10x100
5x100 7x90

BB walking lunges
20x85

thats it.

Hip concert and dinner out tonight! YAY!

have a question.

For the past few workouts I have been having DOMS even tho nothing has changed in my routine and there has been no break in time.
Do you think this could be caused from my 1RM dead?
I noticed in my log that when I maxed out with my OHP I had similar complaints tho at that time I had assumed I just needed a break.
Maybe my body doent handle 1RM very well?

Weight~ forgot to weigh myself today!

Training~
warm up: jog 3 min, bb complex, bench 6x65x2

Bench
6x120
6x125
Nice and easy…oh yeaaah!

Incline DB Bench
7x45’s
6x45’s
6x40’s

I need to start working this program like I am supposed to and always increase the first set when I get the proper amount of reps. I was getting frustrated tho because it would make my last set really weak. I need to push harder tho.

OHP DB’s
9x30’s
8x30’s, 3 x25’s
these were messy today. My lower back is really tight and there was not much support going on.

Side lat raises
13x15’s
12x12’s
12x12’s

Cardio~ elliptical sprints. 7x 30 sec sprints followed by 1:30 jog pace.
(forgot that sprints are not supposed to be on the week when I do lower twice. Oops)
~ 25 min LISS

Food~
1531 cals
38g F/166g C/135g P

Just reading your musings about cutting (or not cutting) and finding a place where you can be happy balancing your physique and strength goals. I support your thinking on this.

Recently I’ve been contemplating long term maintenance. This is my thinking. Make a guess at what your competition weight would be. Now add between 5-10 pounds, maybe closer to 10-12 for you since you enjoy strength training so much. That’s the range where you’d maintain, until you decide to bulk or not. I’d guess you are already there, or will be at 125 since you’re so developed. Going any lower with your weight is not sustainable anyway, and the tendency to rebound is real. I want to avoid yo-yoing around.

Related, there were a few articles about John Berardi’s wife over at Precision Nutrition. After competing once, she decided it took too much of an emotional and physical toll for her to get that lean while trying to raise their young toddler. It may be that you’ll feel like going ahead and competing somewhere down the line. If it’s something you think about everyday, then you’ll likely do it at some point.

Yeah, its bugging me bad! I think about it every day :smiley:
I will do one…I just need to approach it a bit different than I was.

I need to make sure I have enough muscle to be confident and I need to be in a mind frame that is 100% committed to diet.

It takes time to be ready for the stage if you want to do well and I dont want to do it if I am not going to do well.

Maybe a fall show would be a good time.


cardio~ 35 min LISS Beauty night!

Food~
1458 cals
42gF/ 133gC/143gP

Weight~ 130

Training~

Pullups
8
7
6

Clean and Jerk (first time jerkin.)
4x95
1x115
1x115
1x125
1x125
1x135F
1x135
I find jerks are tricky to come out of becasue you have to take that step forward in order to support yourself to lower the bar and in doing so you leave one side of your lower back weak. True?

Also at the lower weight I really tried to snap my hips and when the weight landed on my shoulders it almost made me fall backwards. lol! Def more power that way. As the weight go heavier I did seem to revert back to old habits.

Here is 135 Fail.

here is 135 good to go.

The arch in my back with the jerk looks a bit scary?

I would have had more in the tank if I had done them before the pullups but right now pullups is more important.

Face pulls
12x50
12x50
12x50
should have only been 3 sets…next time I will raise to 60. Getting a better feel for these.

Seated BO lat raises
15x15’s
12x15’s
12x15’s

Concentration curls
10x25’s
1ox25’s

reverse curls
7x40, 3x30

Cardio~ intervals on the treadmill. 1 min speed walk, 1 min run.

Food~
1556 cals
30gF/206gC/120gP


weight~130

Training~

warm up: row 1500m, BB complex, deads 6x135x2

Deads
6x205
6x185
8x135
Woah, WTH??!! Couldnt pick up more if you paid me today.

Squats
6x160
6x160

Seated leg curls
10x100
7x100, 5x90

BB walking lunges
20x95

Claves toes on plate
10x40’s
10x40’s

superset with

decline sit ups with 5# plate 10x2

Todays 130 looked better then yesterdays 130. Looking for 129 by the end of the weekend or so. Gotta stay focused!

That 135 jerk isnt bad at all! My only advice is that you kind of “PEZ dispenser-ed” your neck a lot before the lift. I’m certainly not an expert though, so take my advice with a grain of salt. Other notes: Training is looking good. You are looking good.