Occupy Wall Street

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Jeffrey of Troy wrote:
“American rights activists have slammed the US Senate for gearing up to vote on a bill on Monday that would define the whole of the United States as a ‘battlefield’ and allow the military to arrest American citizens in their own back yard without charge or trial… The senate bid comes against a backdrop of protests in the United States where Americans have been holding rallies against the corporatism and corruption on Wall Street.”

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/212575.html

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Then occupy Washington D.C.

You are occupying the wrong fucking place.[/quote]

If you have a problem with something Achmed the Dead Terrorist says, do you take it up with him or Jeff Dunham?[/quote]

Wait! are you implying that ze terroristas are mere puppets and DC is its idiotic puppet-master?

Genius.[/quote]

No, I’m saying the protestors see Washington as a puppet of Wall Street.[/quote]

THEN WHY AREN’T THEY CAMPING ON PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE ???

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Because, and I know that that might be a tad cruel now, Kermit the frog does not actually, talk.

Someone shoves a hand up his butt and makes him talk.

True story. [/quote]

Thank you, orion.

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For what, for getting your point?

You wrote it down in plain English, one would have to want miss it on purpose…

Oh, wait…[/quote]

Then what are these ninnies crying about ? They aren’t down for their crime ? Go yell at people who had nothing to do with the crimes they cry about, and then when told to go straight to the source, I get an “Oh hell no!” ?

In the words of Chad Occhocinco, Child please.

Go throw a fit, sleep in your own shit (and the shit of others), puke, piss, raise hell, destroy public shit, but when it comes to bringing that mess to the real offenders (Congress), they puss out ?

What a bunch of punk bitches…

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Jeffrey of Troy wrote:
“American rights activists have slammed the US Senate for gearing up to vote on a bill on Monday that would define the whole of the United States as a ‘battlefield’ and allow the military to arrest American citizens in their own back yard without charge or trial… The senate bid comes against a backdrop of protests in the United States where Americans have been holding rallies against the corporatism and corruption on Wall Street.”

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/212575.html

[/quote]

Then occupy Washington D.C.

You are occupying the wrong fucking place.[/quote]

If you have a problem with something Achmed the Dead Terrorist says, do you take it up with him or Jeff Dunham?[/quote]

Wait! are you implying that ze terroristas are mere puppets and DC is its idiotic puppet-master?

Genius.[/quote]

No, I’m saying the protestors see Washington as a puppet of Wall Street.[/quote]

THEN WHY AREN’T THEY CAMPING ON PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE ???

[/quote]

Because, and I know that that might be a tad cruel now, Kermit the frog does not actually, talk.

Someone shoves a hand up his butt and makes him talk.

True story. [/quote]

Thank you, orion.

[/quote]

For what, for getting your point?

You wrote it down in plain English, one would have to want miss it on purpose…

Oh, wait…[/quote]

Then what are these ninnies crying about ? They aren’t down for their crime ? Go yell at people who had nothing to do with the crimes they cry about, and then when told to go straight to the source, I get an “Oh hell no!” ?

In the words of Chad Occhocinco, Child please.

Go throw a fit, sleep in your own shit (and the shit of others), puke, piss, raise hell, destroy public shit, but when it comes to bringing that mess to the real offenders (Congress), they puss out ?

What a bunch of punk bitches…[/quote]

I rest my case…

Or maybe I rest his…

Anyway, it firmly rests now…

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Jeffrey of Troy wrote:
“American rights activists have slammed the US Senate for gearing up to vote on a bill on Monday that would define the whole of the United States as a ‘battlefield’ and allow the military to arrest American citizens in their own back yard without charge or trial… The senate bid comes against a backdrop of protests in the United States where Americans have been holding rallies against the corporatism and corruption on Wall Street.”

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/212575.html

[/quote]

Then occupy Washington D.C.

You are occupying the wrong fucking place.[/quote]

If you have a problem with something Achmed the Dead Terrorist says, do you take it up with him or Jeff Dunham?[/quote]

Wait! are you implying that ze terroristas are mere puppets and DC is its idiotic puppet-master?

Genius.[/quote]

No, I’m saying the protestors see Washington as a puppet of Wall Street.[/quote]

THEN WHY AREN’T THEY CAMPING ON PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE ???

[/quote]

Because, and I know that that might be a tad cruel now, Kermit the frog does not actually, talk.

Someone shoves a hand up his butt and makes him talk.

True story. [/quote]

Thank you, orion.

[/quote]

For what, for getting your point?

You wrote it down in plain English, one would have to want miss it on purpose…

Oh, wait…[/quote]

Then what are these ninnies crying about ? They aren’t down for their crime ? Go yell at people who had nothing to do with the crimes they cry about, and then when told to go straight to the source, I get an “Oh hell no!” ?

In the words of Chad Occhocinco, Child please.

Go throw a fit, sleep in your own shit (and the shit of others), puke, piss, raise hell, destroy public shit, but when it comes to bringing that mess to the real offenders (Congress), they puss out ?

What a bunch of punk bitches…[/quote]

I’m almost baffled by this response.

They dont see Congress as the real offenders. They see Congress, and the rest of the government, as being puppets of Wall Street.

By protesting Wall Street, they’re protesting the people they see as being actually responsible.

It takes two, the puppet and the puppet master.

Did you know that you can turn down a bribe ?

You are allowed to say “no” when Wall Street wants something.

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
It takes two, the puppet and the puppet master.

Did you know that you can turn down a bribe ?

You are allowed to say “no” when Wall Street wants something. [/quote]

And how likely is it that those reaching the top in a democracy will turn down a bribe?

You nay-sayers are all missing out. Clashing with the cops is like the best high intensity cardio you can get.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
It takes two, the puppet and the puppet master.

Did you know that you can turn down a bribe ?

You are allowed to say “no” when Wall Street wants something. [/quote]

And how likely is it that those reaching the top in a democracy will turn down a bribe?[/quote]

So why are the Occu-Poo people protesting the 1% when corrupt politicians are also the problem, yet they won’t address that ?

[quote]MaudDib wrote:
You nay-sayers are all missing out. Clashing with the cops is like the best high intensity cardio you can get. [/quote]

How many calories did you burn removing that police baton shoved up your ass ?

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Alvirre wrote:
I"m still having troubles understanding what is that OWS crowd wants exactly.[/quote]

Oh god, this shit again.

They want corporations to stop running the government.[/quote]

The problem is, that’s not specific. They want corporation to ‘stop running the government.’ Well, how do they want that to happen? Do they want a law passed? Do they have some legal reasons to bring people up on charges? Do they have any sort of structural solution?

The answers, as far as I’ve seen (feel free to provide evidence that this is not the case), are no. Plus, the way these protests seem to work, they don’t have any specific targets. They just make gay signs that point out income in-equality. Well what’s your fucking solution for that? Taxing the rich, probably, in which case (as others have pointed out) they’re protesting the wrong place!

You can’t stop people from giving bribes by bitching at the people giving them out. You need to be able to bring them up on charges, or disincentive accepting them. Not sit in a row on UC Davis campus or something stupid.

The OWS crowd doesn’t seem to be thinking along these lines, they just want to complain that shit sucks (which they’re not necessarily wrong about).

Basically, they don’t seem very solution oriented, to the detriment of intelligent debate.

[quote]Agressive Napkin wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Alvirre wrote:
I"m still having troubles understanding what is that OWS crowd wants exactly.[/quote]

Oh god, this shit again.

They want corporations to stop running the government.[/quote]

The problem is, that’s not specific. They want corporation to ‘stop running the government.’ Well, how do they want that to happen? Do they want a law passed? Do they have some legal reasons to bring people up on charges? Do they have any sort of structural solution?

The answers, as far as I’ve seen (feel free to provide evidence that this is not the case), are no. Plus, the way these protests seem to work, they don’t have any specific targets. They just make gay signs that point out income in-equality. Well what’s your fucking solution for that? Taxing the rich, probably, in which case (as others have pointed out) they’re protesting the wrong place!

You can’t stop people from giving bribes by bitching at the people giving them out. You need to be able to bring them up on charges, or disincentive accepting them. Not sit in a row on UC Davis campus or something stupid.

The OWS crowd doesn’t seem to be thinking along these lines, they just want to complain that shit sucks (which they’re not necessarily wrong about).

Basically, they don’t seem very solution oriented, to the detriment of intelligent debate.[/quote]

You’re pretty opinionated for a napkin.

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]MaudDib wrote:
You nay-sayers are all missing out. Clashing with the cops is like the best high intensity cardio you can get. [/quote]

How many calories did you burn removing that police baton shoved up your ass ?[/quote]

I’m sure the government has a study with that statistic in it…

In case you missed it, we started bailing out Europe this week. It is supposedly small loans, then again were lead to believe TARP was far more money then what the FED was giving to the banks and that was 700,000,000,000 to 7,700,000,000,000…

I’m big on free markets and conservative government. 8 trillion to banks is not either of those things…

“$7.7 TRILLION / 307 MILLION (population of United States) = $25,080 … That means that every single US resident - even the homeless and poverty stricken ones - gave the banks over $25,000 thanks to people like Elizabeth Duke, Don Kohn, and Kevin Warsh. Remember our “stimulus package” that the conservatives were so angry about? US residents (who were employed at the time - much fewer than 307M) received about $150 per person … $150, $25000 … $150, $25000 … WHAT. THE. F@#$.”

Do you know who Elizabeth Duke is? How about Donald Kohn or Kevin Warsh? No? Well - you should. Because while Congress was debating back in 2008 whether or not to bailout banksters with a $700 billion blank check - these guys and girls were just doing it. They were funneling $7.7 trillion to Wall Street under the table - without one constituent phone call - without worrying about one election - without having to give one explanation.

They were able to do that because they’re members of the Federal Reserve Board of Governors - a group of people who are not voted into office, but have the power to completely dictate monetary policy in America. They are not politicians - they’re technocrats - they’re bankers and financial experts. Technocrats aren’t interested in democracy - it takes too long, and often the interests of the majority of voters don’t quite line up with the interests of the minority of bankers and foreign investors. Or - to put it in today’s terms - the interests of the 99 percent rarely line up with the interests of the 1 percent. That’s why - back in 2008 - the technocrats at the Fed weren’t interested in waiting for Congress - with all of its open debate and constituent services - to bail out the banks - they just went ahead and did it themselves. According to documents obtained by Bloomberg News - in 2009 - the Fed dished out $7.7 trillion in no-strings-attached, super-low interest loans to Wall Street’s biggest players.

That’s $7.7 trillion!

That’s more than half of the total value of EVERYTHING - every single thing produced in America - that same year. $7.7 TRILLION out the door - with no one bothering to inform the electorate about it until now. And since they were super-low interest loans - banks made enormous profits off of them. Six of the nation’s biggest banks - like Morgan Stanley and Bank of America - pocketed a not-too-shabby $13 billion in undisclosed profits, thanks to the deal with the technocrats at the Fed. So today - thanks to a decision made by technocrats, and not politicians - the too-big-to-fail banks are even bigger, and Wall Street has raked in more profits in just the last 30 months then they did in the entire eight years leading up to the 2008 financial crisis.

I guess the economic crisis that brought banksters to the ledge ended up being pretty lucrative for them in the long run. But the bigger picture is this: can our democracy survive future financial crises? As the world descends into financial turmoil on fears that the Euro zone may collapse, it’s the technocrats who are taking power - replacing elected officials.

The clearest example of this is what happened in Greece a few weeks ago. In order to preserve the euro - keep financial markets steady and ensure that foreign investors get what’s theirs - the technocrats at the International Monetary Fund and the European Central Bank demanded that Greece take a bailout. Knowing that a bailout would mean more layoffs - higher taxes and less benefits for the Greek people - Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou wanted to hold a national referendum on whether or not to take the bailout, just like Iceland had done a year earlier. He wanted the people - through democracy - to determine their own fate. But that never happened.

Just floating the idea cost Papandreou his job - he was forced out of office and replaced by a technocrat, Lucas Papademos, who just so happened to be the former vice president of the European Central Bank. Probably because when the Icelandic people were asked in a national referendum if they should take austerity cuts to bail out their banksters, they said, overwhelmingly, “No, let the banks fail.” But with a technocrat in charge, there will be no vote - a bailout will be shoved down the throat of the Greek people, and so, too, will painful austerity - anything to keep the banksters happy.

New York Times op-ed columnist Ross Douthat laid out this new reality of technocrat control in a recent article in which he wrote, “For the inhabitants of Italy and Greece, who have just watched democratically elected governments toppled by pressure from financiers, European Union bureaucrats, and foreign heads of state, it evokes the cold reality of 21st-century politics. Democracy may be nice in theory, but in a time of crisis it’s the technocrats who really get to call the shots. National sovereignty is a pretty concept, but the survival of the European common currency comes first.”

All signs indicate that we’ll be confronted with this problem once again in America - as another financial crisis, be it caused by Europe or some other bubble like student debt or housing, seems like a foregone conclusion at this point. And when it hits the fan - and the American people tell Congress no way in hell will they sign off on another bailout of Wall Street - then the technocrats at the Fed will takeover and our democracy will be irrelevant - just like it was in 2008 and 2009. That’s why we, the people, need to take back control of the Fed, and why the people of Europe need to take back control of their central banks and global financial institutions.

Only when the Federal Reserve becomes an instrument of the people to calm the mood swings of the market - and not a piggy bank for transnational banking corporations - can we really protect ourselves from a technocratic takeover in the future. And the way to do it is pretty straightforward - it was Alexander Hamilton’s idea back in the George Washington administration. Have the central bank owned by the US government and run by the Treasury Department, so all the profits from banking go directly into the Treasury and you and I pay less in taxes while the banksters on Wall Street can find a job at Wal-Mart.

The good people of North Dakota did just this, back in 1919, established something very much like this - the Bank of North Dakota - and it’s kept the state in the black, and kept its farmers, manufacturers and students protected from the predations of New York banksters for nearly a century. It’s time for every state to charter their own state bank, just like North Dakota did, and for the Treasury Department to either buy the Fed from the for-profit banks that own it, or simply nationalize it.

Only when we get control of our money out of the hands of sociopathic banksters will our democracy begin to function for the people instead of just for the banksters.

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]MaudDib wrote:
You nay-sayers are all missing out. Clashing with the cops is like the best high intensity cardio you can get. [/quote]

How many calories did you burn removing that police baton shoved up your ass ?[/quote]

If only the NYPD wasn’t known for almost killing a man by doing just that lol

[quote]Oleena wrote:

[quote]Agressive Napkin wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Alvirre wrote:
I"m still having troubles understanding what is that OWS crowd wants exactly.[/quote]

Oh god, this shit again.

They want corporations to stop running the government.[/quote]

The problem is, that’s not specific. They want corporation to ‘stop running the government.’ Well, how do they want that to happen? Do they want a law passed? Do they have some legal reasons to bring people up on charges? Do they have any sort of structural solution?

The answers, as far as I’ve seen (feel free to provide evidence that this is not the case), are no. Plus, the way these protests seem to work, they don’t have any specific targets. They just make gay signs that point out income in-equality. Well what’s your fucking solution for that? Taxing the rich, probably, in which case (as others have pointed out) they’re protesting the wrong place!

You can’t stop people from giving bribes by bitching at the people giving them out. You need to be able to bring them up on charges, or disincentive accepting them. Not sit in a row on UC Davis campus or something stupid.

The OWS crowd doesn’t seem to be thinking along these lines, they just want to complain that shit sucks (which they’re not necessarily wrong about).

Basically, they don’t seem very solution oriented, to the detriment of intelligent debate.[/quote]

You’re pretty opinionated for a napkin.[/quote]

I am not a napkin.

Reading this over, I am pretty bad at the whole typing thing though. “they want coporation…” No ‘s’ FML. #drugs’rebad

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Alvirre wrote:
I"m still having troubles understanding what is that OWS crowd wants exactly.[/quote]

Oh god, this shit again.

They want corporations to stop running the government.[/quote]

OK, I want that too. I’m guessing every normal person also wants it.But why don’t they just say that? 99% of the time (pun intended) they talk about some socialist crap and how teh evol capitalism stole something from them, while tweeting on their iPhones. Kinda contradictory, wouldn’t you agree? Equal distribution of wealth, my ass.

Just focus. End the government corruption, if that is their goal. Don’t dilute the point with crap.

[quote]Agressive Napkin wrote:

Basically, they don’t seem very solution oriented, to the detriment of intelligent debate.[/quote]

They changed the national conversation. Do you think it is to the detriment of debate? I don’t recall hearing any conservatives talking about “the 1%” and very few talking about making a deal with the top tax rates and entitlements before the OWS protests. I think they have drawn attention to a real problem. Most everyone agrees with the problems they are pointing out. What people disagree with is their solutions and their “theatrics.”

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

So why are the Occu-Poo people protesting the 1% when corrupt politicians are also the problem, yet they won’t address that ?[/quote]

Ummm, they are protesting in DC. Conservatives have posted videos on this very thread. As to why they are protesting the 1%, this has been answered several times directly to you in the last number of posts.

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

So why are the Occu-Poo people protesting the 1% when corrupt politicians are also the problem, yet they won’t address that ?[/quote]

Ummm, they are protesting in DC. Conservatives have posted videos on this very thread. As to why they are protesting the 1%, this has been answered several times directly to you in the last number of posts. [/quote]

Obama took the biggest payoff from Wall Street than any other president in history, are the Occu-Poos protesting that too ? I just want to make sure that the Occu-Poos are calling it fair, because I don’t think Chocolate Jesus should get a pass because he is black. That card is old and played.

W[quote]Agressive Napkin wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Alvirre wrote:
I"m still having troubles understanding what is that OWS crowd wants exactly.[/quote]

Oh god, this shit again.

They want corporations to stop running the government.[/quote]

The problem is, that’s not specific. They want corporation to ‘stop running the government.’ Well, how do they want that to happen? Do they want a law passed? Do they have some legal reasons to brng people up on charges? Do they have any sort of structural solution?

The answers, as far as I’ve seen (feel free to provide evidence that this is not the case), are no. Plus, the way these protests seem to work, they don’t have any specific targets. They just make gay signs that point out income in-equality. Well what’s your fucking solution for that? Taxing the rich, probably, in which case (as others have pointed out) they’re protesting the wrong place!

You can’t stop people from giving bribes by bitching at the people giving them out. You need to be able to bring them up on charges, or disincentive accepting them. Not sit in a row on UC Davis campus or something stupid.

The OWS crowd doesn’t seem to be thinking along these lines, they just want to complain that shit sucks (which they’re not necessarily wrong about).

Basically, they don’t seem very solution oriented, to the detriment of intelligent debate.[/quote]

Very well put.

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

So why are the Occu-Poo people protesting the 1% when corrupt politicians are also the problem, yet they won’t address that ?[/quote]

Ummm, they are protesting in DC. Conservatives have posted videos on this very thread. As to why they are protesting the 1%, this has been answered several times directly to you in the last number of posts. [/quote]

Obama took the biggest payoff from Wall Street than any other president in history, are the Occu-Poos protesting that too ? I just want to make sure that the Occu-Poos are calling it fair, because I don’t think Chocolate Jesus should get a pass because he is black. That card is old and played. [/quote]

When Obama came to NYC last week for a $35,000 a plate fundraiser dinner with rich donors Occupy showed up en masse to picket his fundraiser and to try to get him to come out and talk to people who can’t dump $35,000 on a meal.

The whole “why don’t you go after DC/Obama” argument is ridiculous, there is an Occupy DC, they have mic checked and gone after Obama in multiple settings. Your arguments need to #OccupyReality

Also lol @ bring congress people who take bribes up on charges. Right now it is well known and totally legal for congress to insider trade on private information they get access to. It is also legal for them to take preferred stock offerings for below market prices. Yeah, you could bring the ones who take cash up on charges (good luck finding them) but right now it’s legal for them to accept $500,000 in stocks, sell them, and pocket that, no questions. You need to change the laws first, and guess who makes the laws…