Occupy Wall Street

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised that the only criticism of what I posted is about the “tone.” But I had hoped at least one person would address the substance.

Condescending it was, but then again, so are many of the posts on this thread… “Mom and dinner” and the like. [/quote]

True, but it was not directed at someone to dismiss his point but a general remark about a group of people who made idiotic decisions and now are protesting evil companies with their Ipods, pads and phones handy so that they can post it of facebook if they get to opressed by the regime.

I find 4 year olds that throw a tantrum more entertaining.

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
I’m not reading all of the garbage that’s posted here because I’m sure it’s mostly anti-protest… but these are truly beautiful things. They nearly bring tears to my eyes… I’ve been waiting so fucking long for this country to wake up, and the finally, they stir from slumber…

GTFO[/quote]

Fuck, you.[/quote]

I am sorry, I cannot really hear you over the sound of your willful ignorance.

Go to DailyKos and plan how to spend other peoples money.

Being ignorant of basic economics is one thing, to proudly announce it yet another, but very few people deliver the hatrick of doing all that AND trying to insult those that actually have a working knowledge of how the world works while cheering on imbeciles who would reform the whole US in the Peoples Republic of California if they possibky could.

There is only so much aggressive stupidity I can handle you ignorant, loud mouthed retard.

Ah, I am feeling so much better now. [/quote]

Listen franz, there’s always Somalia open for you to test your backward ass “economic theories.”

The fact that you don’t like this and and started crying so quickly is a good indicator that the movement is on the right path.

So, once again, suck a dick.[/quote]

http://dailykos.com/

There, off you go, but watch your tone, I hear progressives are really, really in touch with their feelings.

And I hope that I have used a palatable euphemism for “whiny bitches”.

God, I hope you are not actively boxing, you are just one hit away from flinging poo.

edit: Also, your blatant homophobia might not go over well there either…

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised that the only criticism of what I posted is about the “tone.” But I had hoped at least one person would address the substance.

Condescending it was, but then again, so are many of the posts on this thread… “Mom and dinner” and the like. [/quote]

It’s just a liberal guy stating why he is a liberal. He is pretty much listing the results he wants but doesn’t seem to mention the mechanisms by which those results are supposed to be achieved.

If you read the comments on the article you can see that the proponents of what is said have the following line of reasoning:

“Dear sir: You’re obviously too fucking stupid to realize you’re being screwed by the 1%. You should re-enlist immediately. Signed, Someone With A Bit More Common Sense Than You.”

That’s the voice of the “99%”.

If you want substantive change, then have a substantive goal that everyone can agree one. Corporate welfare for example.

But instead of setting a rallying point for the sake of affecting change, so many participants of the protests are rabid opponents of compromise and setting aside hardline ideals.

Charles Krauthammer’s article touches on the politics of the President. Obama does not have a successful record to run on for re-elecition. So now he is trying to blame others for failures. And from that, comes the ideas espoused by the recent OWS protestors.

“OWS’ Program? Distract From Dems’ Failures”

http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/588155/201110141807/OWS-Program-Distract-From-Dems-Failures.htm

snippet from his article:

"What do you do if you can’t run on your record ? on 9% unemployment, stagnant growth and ruinous deficits as far as the eye can see? How to run when you are asked whether Americans are better off than they were four years ago and you are compelled to answer no?

Play the outsider. Declare yourself the underdog. Denounce Washington as if the electorate hasn’t noticed that you’ve been in charge for nearly three years. But above all: Find villains.

President Obama first tried finding excuses, blaming America’s dismal condition on Japanese supply-chain interruptions, the Arab Spring, European debt and various acts of God.

Didn’t work. Sounds plaintive, defensive. Lacks fight, which is what Obama’s base lusts for above all. Hence Obama’s new strategy: Don’t whine, blame. Attack. Indict. Accuse.

Who? The rich ? and their Republican protectors ? for wrecking America. In Obama’s telling, it’s the refusal of the rich to “pay their fair share” that jeopardizes Medicare.

If millionaires don’t pony up, schools will crumble. Oil-drilling tax breaks will cost teachers jobs. Corporate loopholes will gut medical research.

It’s crude. It’s Manichean. And the left loves it. As a matter of math and logic, however, it’s ridiculous.

Obama’s most coveted tax hike ? an extra 3% to 4.6% for millionaires and billionaires (weirdly defined as individuals making more than $200,000) ? would have reduced last year’s deficit from $1.29 trillion to $1.21 trillion. Nearly a rounding error.

The oil-drilling breaks cover less than half a day’s federal spending.

You could collect Obama’s favorite tax loophole ? depreciation for corporate jets ? for 100 years and it wouldn’t cover one month of Medicare, whose insolvency is a function of increased longevity, expensive new technology and wasteful defensive medicine caused by an insane malpractice system.

After three years, Obama’s self-proclaimed transformative social policies have yielded only a weak economy.

What to do? Take the low road: Plutocrats are bleeding the country and I shall rescue you from them. Problem is, this kind of populist demagoguery is more than intellectually dishonest.

It’s dangerous…"


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“99% vs 1%” is BS.
why not 90% vs. 10% or 80% vs. 20% ? etc etc.
now when you get down to the middle of the pack is where the real division is - 55% or so who pay fed. income taxes vs. 45% who don’t.

[quote]ReignIB wrote:
“99% vs 1%” is BS.
why not 90% vs. 10% or 80% vs. 20% ?
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It will be.

I figured the right wing narrow minded nation would be trashing a global movement focused on getting money out of government.

Thought I would drop by and leave this piece here. Alan Grayson on Occupy Wall Street.

Occupy together website:

http://www.occupytogether.org/

occupy amsterdam:

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=nl&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraaf.nl%2Fbinnenland%2F10730867%2F__Honderden_betogers_Occupy_Amsterdam__.html

Italy:

http://shelf3d.com/ZA6amhzqxI4

Global:

http://shelf3d.com/ZA6amhzqxI4

Interactive map of occupy locations:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/04/1022722/-Occupy-Wall-Street:-List-and-map-of-over-200-US-solidarity-events-and-Facebook%20pages

Stop listening to Limbaugh, Soros is not behind this.

http://news.yahoo.com/soros-not-funder-wall-street-protests-001113675.html

http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/romenesko/149583/reuters-under-fire-for-confusing-report-alleging-george-soros-connection-to-occupy-wall-street/#more-149583

The protests were inspired by Inspired by the Egyptian Tahrir Square uprising and the Spanish acampadas. It is a true grass roots movement.

I am not surprised to see the usual right wing suspects on this site insulting anything outside of their spoon fed ideology.

By the way. We have found at least one of the 53% on tumblr to be made up.

This guy is the founder of the 53% movement.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
I’m not reading all of the garbage that’s posted here because I’m sure it’s mostly anti-protest… but these are truly beautiful things. They nearly bring tears to my eyes… I’ve been waiting so fucking long for this country to wake up, and the finally, they stir from slumber…

GTFO[/quote]

Srsly!

[quote]Petedacook wrote:
I figured the right wing narrow minded nation would be trashing a global movement focused on getting money out of government.

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Government doesn’t make money, it only spends it. If one part of the population is asking for more money, it has to come from another part.
Also, last time I checked US gov-t was in Washington, DC. If those protesters have an issue with the gov-t perhaps they should protest there?

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
What would Ayn say?

"But there is no justification, in a civilized society, for the kind of mass civil disobedience that involves the violation of the rights of others�?�¢??regardless of whether the demonstrators�?�¢?? goal is good or evil. The end does not justify the means. No one�?�¢??s rights can be secured by the violation of the rights of others. Mass disobedience is an assault on the concept of rights: it is a mob�?�¢??s defiance of legality as such.

The forcible occupation of another man�?�¢??s property or the obstruction of a public thoroughfare is so blatant a violation of rights that an attempt to justify it becomes an abrogation of morality. An individual has no right to do a �?�¢??sit-in�?�¢?? in the home or office of a person he disagrees with�?�¢??and he does not acquire such a right by joining a gang. Rights are not a matter of numbers�?�¢??and there can be no such thing, in law or in morality, as actions forbidden to an individual, but permitted to a mob.

The only power of a mob, as against an individual, is greater muscular strength�?�¢??i.e., plain, brute physical force. The attempt to solve social problems by means of physical force is what a civilized society is established to prevent. The advocates of mass civil disobedience admit that their purpose is intimidation. A society that tolerates intimidation as a means of settling disputes�?�¢??the physical intimidation of some men or groups by others�?�¢??loses its moral right to exist as a social system, and its collapse does not take long to follow.

Politically, mass civil disobedience is appropriate only as a prelude to civil war�?�¢??as the declaration of a total break with a country�?�¢??s political institutions."

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What would Thoreau say?

If… the machine of government… is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then, I say, break the law

What would Twain say?

Each man must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, which course is patriotic and which isn’t. You cannot shirk this and be a man. To decide against your conviction is to be an unqualified and excusable traitor, both to yourself and to your country, let men label you as they may.

What would Miller say?

Laws are only words written on paper, words that change on society’s whim and are interpreted differently daily by politicians, lawyers, judges, and policemen. Anyone who believes that all laws should always be obeyed would have made a fine slave catcher. Anyone who believes that all laws are applied equally, despite race, religion, or economic status, is a fool.

What would Emerson say?

Every actual state is corrupt. Good men must not obey laws too well.

What would the objective epistemologist really say?

A government is the most dangerous threat to man’s rights: it holds a legal monopoly on the use of physical force against legally disarmed victims.

The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws

We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force.

She’d be more on board with the protests than not I’d daresay.

This world is spiraling into a cartoonish caricature of it’s own surrealistic buffoonery.

[quote]ReignIB wrote:
“99% vs 1%” is BS.
why not 90% vs. 10% or 80% vs. 20% ? etc etc.
now when you get down to the middle of the pack is where the real division is - 55% or so who pay fed. income taxes vs. 45% who don’t.
[/quote]

What about all the other taxes, such as sales tax and property tax? Are you trying to pick out one tax that people (who can afford it) pay that some others (who don’t have the money) don’t… and try to say it means 55% or so are carrying the country on their backs?

[quote]MikeShank wrote:
What is everybody’s opinion on what is going on down there?..Thanks,
Mike[/quote]

THis may help fill in the gaps:

http://biggovernment.com/thomasryan/2011/10/14/the-email-archive-of-the-occupywallstreet-movement-anarchists-socialists-jihadists-unions-democrats/

http://biggovernment.com/abreitbart/2011/10/14/crowdsource-this-social-list-emails-expose-occupywallstreet-conspiracy-to-destablize-global-markets-governments/

[quote]MikeShank wrote:
What is everybody’s opinion on what is going on down there?

Thanks,
Mike[/quote]

And this:
http://www.breitbart.tv/meet-occupywallstreet-leader-lisa-fithian/

[quote]Bujo wrote:
A Criminal Justice degree is something you get online. You don’t go to a university and you don’t pay $60k for it. Yes, you are correct. You should have gotten a degree in accounting, finances, science, or engineering. Then you could have gotten a job, and become a productive member of society. [/quote]

Why can’t she stay in college and get an Accounting Diploma/degree?
(Am I asking a silly question?)

“In the America I thought I lived in, we expect business-people to be driven by profit, but we rely on our Government to protect us from those abuses. We expect Government to set laws to govern what a business can and cannot do. Government can establish a minimum wage, ban child labor, and tax imports. Government can enact rules against predatory lending or . … anything if it has the support of the people. And we expect our government to keep us safe from this cold unfeeling beast we call capitalism with things like food stamps, Medicaid, unemployment benefits, and social security.”

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]ReignIB wrote:
“99% vs 1%” is BS.
why not 90% vs. 10% or 80% vs. 20% ? etc etc.
now when you get down to the middle of the pack is where the real division is - 55% or so who pay fed. income taxes vs. 45% who don’t.
[/quote]

What about all the other taxes, such as sales tax and property tax? Are you trying to pick out one tax that people (who can afford it) pay that some others (who don’t have the money) don’t… and try to say it means 55% or so are carrying the country on their backs?[/quote]

yes, I’m picking the tax that is a) Federal; and b) progressive by definition; so it’s easier to see the skewed distribution. as for the sales, property, inheritance etc taxes - I have no doubt that those who make more money pay more in those since they spend more, have more expensive properties etc.
as for the “carrying the country on their backs” - that might be a stretch, all I’m pointing out is that the “1% vs 99%” slogan fleabaggers are running around with is complete BS.
speaking of 1% if you insist - top 1% while making 20% in pre-tax income is paying 40% of all income taxes. so I wonder with all this “tax the rich” nonsense what would be the figure fleabaggers would be comfortable with ?