Obtuse Religious Philosophy

[Deorum]

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:
Now I ask, Why are these “sins” again? Somebody inform me why I should avoid these behaviors. Furthermore, tell me as Christians why NONE of you avoid any of these sins - don’t say because you accepted jesus and you don’t NEED to any more. That is the weak minded cop out that I would expect from a Christian. Even if you don’t need to follow these because you accepted Jesus you should still strive to match your god’s image, no? Are you guys really striving to be God-like? If not, why?

Let me repost that for Chris. Actually answer the questions this time. Why are these sins, why should I avoid them, and why DON’T you as a Christian avoid them?[/quote]

Damn dude, I’m no church goer but your shit is wearing thin with me too. I really don’t like religion either, but it’s been around for some form or fashion forever and it’s not going anywhere.

Anyway, for all practical purposes the way I see it is that they become “sins” when they negatively affect your life or the lives of those around you. If you’re not religious then there’s really no reason to avoid them other than they’ll get you into trouble if taken too far.[/quote]

If it wears thin then ignore it. Nobody is forcing you to read it. If you think these sins will negatively impact your life then by all means avoid them. I am not asking anybody to do anything that will not positively impact their life. The point is to do whatever positively effects your life, regardless of some moral codes set by ANOTHER man. Set your own guidelines, you don’t have to follow mine and start being greedy when appropriate, and angry when appropriate and so on…

[Deorum]

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:

[quote]Gkhan wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:
I often say things like Jesus Fucking Mary Christ in jest… It’s a sick joke.[/quote]

I understand.

So, tell me who or what is your god?[/quote]

But of course, I am my own god. [/quote]

WOW a 19 year old God. LMAO!
[/quote]

Ain’t that something? Being your own god. Being the creator of your own moral codes. Setting guidelines for yourself to follow, based on what you have experience thus far in your life. Not praying for anybody to do something for you, making it happen yourself. How absolutely insane right!!!
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While I believe as strongly as anyone that they should take responsibility for all aspects of their life, no man is an island. And you do come off as a little insane.
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I must come off as insane to some. I assure you, I am okay with that. I have seen the words of many insane men proven true. I have seen many insane men reclassified as genius. I have seen the triumph of many labeled insane. I am okay with being perceived that way by the average man. I would not have it any other way.

If my perceived insanity becomes to much of a distraction, have yourself re-label myself as the devil’s advocate. Detract meaning from my words. I am fine with that. I am fine with myself and my words being interpreted in anyway you see most fit.

They say only an animal or a God can live completely alone.

[siouxperman]

[quote]Deorum wrote:

I must come off as insane to some. I am okay with that.
[/quote]

It’s not like the good eccentric genius sort of insanity.

[quote]Deorum wrote:

If it wears thin then ignore it. Nobody is forcing you to read it. If you think these sins will negatively impact your life then by all means avoid them. I am not asking anybody to do anything that will not positively impact their life. The point is to do whatever positively effects your life, regardless of some moral codes set by ANOTHER man. Set your own guidelines, you don’t have to follow mine and start being greedy when appropriate, and angry when appropriate and so on…
[/quote]

It’s not that I “think” it. It’s just what it is, religious or not. Continuously exhibiting these behaviors is not a positive thing, unless, as you say, “The point is to do whatever positively effects your life, regardless of some moral codes set by ANOTHER man”. At least you’re aware of your insanity. This is gonna turn in to a damn debate about the relativism of morals, but what you just said is that I can justify whatever the fuck I want if I think it’s in my best interests, regardless of how it affects others. Morals have to be a product of communal input (laws? can you also disregard laws because ANOTHER man made them and they preclude your desires?), otherwise they don’t do anything. C’mon man, like I said, I’m not a religious person, but just as idiot christians make all christians look bad, you make all non religious people look bad.

[Deorum]

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:

I must come off as insane to some. I am okay with that.
[/quote]

It’s not like the good eccentric genius sort of insanity.

[quote]Deorum wrote:

If it wears thin then ignore it. Nobody is forcing you to read it. If you think these sins will negatively impact your life then by all means avoid them. I am not asking anybody to do anything that will not positively impact their life. The point is to do whatever positively effects your life, regardless of some moral codes set by ANOTHER man. Set your own guidelines, you don’t have to follow mine and start being greedy when appropriate, and angry when appropriate and so on…
[/quote]

It’s not that I “think” it. It’s just what it is, religious or not. Continuously exhibiting these behaviors is not a positive thing, unless, as you say, “The point is to do whatever positively effects your life, regardless of some moral codes set by ANOTHER man”. At least you’re aware of your insanity. This is gonna turn in to a damn debate about the relativism of morals, but what you just said is that I can justify whatever the fuck I want if I think it’s in my best interests, regardless of how it affects others. Morals have to be a product of communal input (laws? can you also disregard laws because ANOTHER man made them and they preclude your desires?), otherwise they don’t do anything. C’mon man, like I said, I’m not a religious person, but just as idiot christians make all christians look bad, you make all non religious people look bad.[/quote]

You are taking what I have said and adding quite a bit to it. I think I used the words “where appropriate” or something along those lines, not “continuously exhibiting”. Society checks the man that does not obey the “communal input” of morals. This is not a problem and this is not a relativism argument. You are extracting what you want from my argument. Next time you are confused ask, rather than infer to fill in the gaps.

Also I was unaware an insane man could be an eccentric genius. To clarify though, I am okay with being perceived as any one of the apparently many definitions for insane that you have.

[Reygekan]

[quote]forbes wrote:
@ Reygeken

I wanted to mention a few things:

1. If God loves us, why doesn’t he just forgive us instead of requiring blood? I think you’ve had it wrong the whole time. It’s not that God just won’t change that. It’s part of his nature, which is something he cannot change. God is by nature infinitely holy beyond our comprehension. His holiness requires atonement for sins. That is who he is and that cannot be changed.

2. About hell. Yes, hell is aweful and we all deserve it. That standard argument is that why would God send us there for eternity if he loves us? It assumes that we are being punished for finite sins on this earth. But that is not true because sins will still continue after this life IF we have not been regenerated in Christ. Those who are in hell will continue to sin by cursing God’s name and hating his guts (figuratively speaking). Since God requires atonement and has already had our sins atoned for, we must accept that gift. You say God doesn’t love us. Uh, well then why did he provide a way out? Just because you don’t like that means of salvation or reject it is not his problem.

You: “Hey God! How can you, who claim to be love itself, send me to this terrible place?”

God: “I provided a way for you to be saved. You rejected it”

You: “Ya well I didn’t like that option. Couldn’t you have made another way, one that fits my wants?”

God: “…” [/quote]

1. That was a good explanation, I haven’t heard that one before

2. This, I find an interesting viewpoint. I did not say that God doesn’t love us, I just said I don’t understand his love, nor is it a love I can view as “right.” This is a personal opinion, and I understand that my own love and judgment are fundamentally flawed and inferior, so I suppose this simply makes me a sinner by choice.

I do not believe in God, but not because I simply don’t agree with him, that I could put aside, and even change my views if I had faith, but because I can’t be convinced that he’s real. I hear that he loves us and will save us and he has given us the choice to reach Heaven, but I can’t be convinced. It’s not that I’m closed to the idea, it’s that, he has given me a brain that questions anything and needs evidence to be convinced of any viewpoint, and he has not given me that evidence of his own existence that I can get behind.

I feel that, when the Jews and the Muslims and the Christians tell me believing anything else but their one religion is right, that I will burn forever, than how am I supposed to make a choice about my immortal soul between the three? How do I believe something, without any kind of proof? I could say I believed it, I could convert and go through the practices, but at the back of my mind the doubt would always hold me back. I don’t want to live like that, if I don’t truly believe, I want to be honest that I don’t, and that it’s not enough as it is.

Thanks for the intelligent nature of your responses though, I like hearing from religious people about their views on the subject, it’s just that it’s so easy for an atheist to offend the religious that we tend to develop our own stereotypes and discussion on the subject becomes hateful and problematic, which doesn’t help either side.

[Brother_Chris]

[quote]Deorum wrote:
Brother Chris… You literally built an entire rebuttal on semantics… That was disturbing… Do you have anything pertaining to human thought to say? This is not a word game stop turning it into one.[/quote]

It is a word game once you mis-define what sins mean. So STFU. Ignorance should not be tolerated, and you abound in it.

[ZEB]

[quote]Deorum wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:

[quote]Gkhan wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:
I often say things like Jesus Fucking Mary Christ in jest… It’s a sick joke.[/quote]

I understand.

So, tell me who or what is your god?[/quote]

But of course, I am my own god. [/quote]

WOW a 19 year old God. LMAO!
[/quote]

Ain’t that something? Being your own god. Being the creator of your own moral codes. Setting guidelines for yourself to follow, based on what you have experience thus far in your life. Not praying for anybody to do something for you, making it happen yourself. How absolutely insane right!!!
[/quote]

You can make things happen for yourself, who said that you cannot do that as a Christian. When I was in sales I would hit the ground running each day and it was sink or swim. Working hard and believing in yourself. But that doesn’t mean that you cannot believe in a higher power. You are just about 90% self-deluded and 10% immature. Have you ever worked in sales? Hold on…have you ever had a full time job which paid much more than minimum wage? No really, you know NOT of what you speak.

By the way tell me how safe and healthy a world is where everyone is walking around with their own moral code. Do you even understand the nonsense that your fingers are typing?

[Deorum]

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:
Brother Chris… You literally built an entire rebuttal on semantics… That was disturbing… Do you have anything pertaining to human thought to say? This is not a word game stop turning it into one.[/quote]

It is a word game once you mis-define what sins mean. So STFU. Ignorance should not be tolerated, and you abound in it.[/quote]

If ignorance should not be tolerated your god should then pluck you from your existence here and now.

[Deorum]

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:

[quote]Gkhan wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:
I often say things like Jesus Fucking Mary Christ in jest… It’s a sick joke.[/quote]

I understand.

So, tell me who or what is your god?[/quote]

But of course, I am my own god. [/quote]

WOW a 19 year old God. LMAO!
[/quote]

Ain’t that something? Being your own god. Being the creator of your own moral codes. Setting guidelines for yourself to follow, based on what you have experience thus far in your life. Not praying for anybody to do something for you, making it happen yourself. How absolutely insane right!!!
[/quote]

You can make things happen for yourself, who said that you cannot do that as a Christian. When I was in sales I would hit the ground running each day and it was sink or swim. Working hard and believing in yourself. But that doesn’t mean that you cannot believe in a higher power. You are just about 90% self-deluded and 10% immature. Have you ever worked in sales? Hold on…have you ever had a full time job which paid much more than minimum wage? No really, you know NOT of what you speak.

By the way tell me how safe and healthy a world is where everyone is walking around with their own moral code. Do you even understand the nonsense that your fingers are typing?

[/quote]

To answer your questions, no I have not worked in sales. Yes I have had a full time job that paid more than minimum wage. I have made over a hundred dollars an hour at a time - this however is not relevant and you are losing focus.

If everybody has their own moral code they will be forced to base it around the existence of themselves AND others or cease to exist in any sort of prosperity. This would create the most fair and balanced existence I can imagine. I am well aware of what I am saying. This is exactly what I want, as a matter of fact.

[siouxperman]

[quote]Deorum wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:

I must come off as insane to some. I am okay with that.
[/quote]

It’s not like the good eccentric genius sort of insanity.

[quote]Deorum wrote:

If it wears thin then ignore it. Nobody is forcing you to read it. If you think these sins will negatively impact your life then by all means avoid them. I am not asking anybody to do anything that will not positively impact their life. The point is to do whatever positively effects your life, regardless of some moral codes set by ANOTHER man. Set your own guidelines, you don’t have to follow mine and start being greedy when appropriate, and angry when appropriate and so on…
[/quote]

It’s not that I “think” it. It’s just what it is, religious or not. Continuously exhibiting these behaviors is not a positive thing, unless, as you say, “The point is to do whatever positively effects your life, regardless of some moral codes set by ANOTHER man”. At least you’re aware of your insanity. This is gonna turn in to a damn debate about the relativism of morals, but what you just said is that I can justify whatever the fuck I want if I think it’s in my best interests, regardless of how it affects others. Morals have to be a product of communal input (laws? can you also disregard laws because ANOTHER man made them and they preclude your desires?), otherwise they don’t do anything. C’mon man, like I said, I’m not a religious person, but just as idiot christians make all christians look bad, you make all non religious people look bad.[/quote]

You are taking what I have said and adding quite a bit to it. I think I used the words “where appropriate” or something along those lines, not “continuously exhibiting”. Society checks the man that does not obey the “communal input” of morals. This is not a problem and this is not a relativism argument. You are extracting what you want from my argument. Next time you are confused ask, rather than infer to fill in the gaps.

Also I was unaware an insane man could be an eccentric genius. [/quote]

I grade a lot of papers and I often see this style of writing. You’re overstepping your understanding of the language. Stop trying so damn hard and you might sound less ridiculous. You’re also not understanding my point. For them to be sins they need to be taken to a certain level of extreme. So it’s never “appropriate” as a sin. Is it perfectly fine to get boned up seeing a hot girl? Yeah. But if you spend the next three hours jerking off looking at her facebook page, it’s probably an issue and we can go ahead and call that a sin. I.e., “sinning” is not appropriate. I’m not “extracting what I want from your argument” because you didn’t make an argument. You just said some dumb shit and got called on it.

Disclaimer: I’m only calling it sinning because of the religious context and the general understanding of the term. I’m not religious and am not claiming that my take on this stuff is the religious stance.

[ZEB]

[quote]Deorum wrote:
^^ Told ya so. Logic has no meaning to him. There is only finding new ways for him to lie to himself and somehow “prove” his right. This is righteousness - it is the ability to lie to ones self, indefinitely, insuring that you never have to face “wrong”. It is self deceit and it is the direct opponent to growth. He will quite literally never grow any more intelligent then he is at this very moment. He has limited his mental growth to the here and now. This is what I am fighting. [/quote]

Logic? Tell me boy how do you define logic? Go run off to google and find a good definition then run back and tell me. Then I wil question you about that logic.

[ZEB]

[quote]Gkhan wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:
… Jesus. [/quote]

for a split second, I thought he converted ![/quote]

LOL…excellent!

[Deorum]

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:

I must come off as insane to some. I am okay with that.
[/quote]

It’s not like the good eccentric genius sort of insanity.

[quote]Deorum wrote:

If it wears thin then ignore it. Nobody is forcing you to read it. If you think these sins will negatively impact your life then by all means avoid them. I am not asking anybody to do anything that will not positively impact their life. The point is to do whatever positively effects your life, regardless of some moral codes set by ANOTHER man. Set your own guidelines, you don’t have to follow mine and start being greedy when appropriate, and angry when appropriate and so on…
[/quote]

It’s not that I “think” it. It’s just what it is, religious or not. Continuously exhibiting these behaviors is not a positive thing, unless, as you say, “The point is to do whatever positively effects your life, regardless of some moral codes set by ANOTHER man”. At least you’re aware of your insanity. This is gonna turn in to a damn debate about the relativism of morals, but what you just said is that I can justify whatever the fuck I want if I think it’s in my best interests, regardless of how it affects others. Morals have to be a product of communal input (laws? can you also disregard laws because ANOTHER man made them and they preclude your desires?), otherwise they don’t do anything. C’mon man, like I said, I’m not a religious person, but just as idiot christians make all christians look bad, you make all non religious people look bad.[/quote]

You are taking what I have said and adding quite a bit to it. I think I used the words “where appropriate” or something along those lines, not “continuously exhibiting”. Society checks the man that does not obey the “communal input” of morals. This is not a problem and this is not a relativism argument. You are extracting what you want from my argument. Next time you are confused ask, rather than infer to fill in the gaps.

Also I was unaware an insane man could be an eccentric genius. [/quote]

I grade a lot of papers and I often see this style of writing. You’re overstepping your understanding of the language. Stop trying so damn hard and you might sound less ridiculous. You’re also not understanding my point. For them to be sins they need to be taken to a certain level of extreme. So it’s never “appropriate” as a sin. Is it perfectly fine to get boned up seeing a hot girl? Yeah. But if you spend the next three hours jerking off looking at her facebook page, it’s probably an issue and we can go ahead and call that a sin. I.e., “sinning” is not appropriate. I’m not “extracting what I want from your argument” because you didn’t make an argument. You just said some dumb shit and got called on it.

Disclaimer: I’m only calling it sinning because of the religious context and the general understanding of the term. I’m not religious and am not claiming that my take on this stuff is the religious stance.[/quote]

Who said lust is jerking off for 3 hours to a girl on a facebook page… WTF? I am talking about using sins where appropriate - THAT’S IT! DON’T REPLY WITH SOME BASTARDIZED VERSION OF THAT FOR THE 3RD TIME! “USING SINS WHERE APPROPRIATE!” I’ll say it again, stop extracting what you want from my words… Furthermore the projected images you are casting on myself are really creeping me out… You’re a weird ass dude… … WTF ewwww man! Find a girlfriend… Lmfao

And so you know, I have not being “trying so hard” at all. I have been sitting back and laughing for the most of these posts, minus a few that literally made me face palm… But really find a girlfriend… Lmfao

[siouxperman]

[quote]Deorum wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:

I must come off as insane to some. I am okay with that.
[/quote]

It’s not like the good eccentric genius sort of insanity.

[quote]Deorum wrote:

If it wears thin then ignore it. Nobody is forcing you to read it. If you think these sins will negatively impact your life then by all means avoid them. I am not asking anybody to do anything that will not positively impact their life. The point is to do whatever positively effects your life, regardless of some moral codes set by ANOTHER man. Set your own guidelines, you don’t have to follow mine and start being greedy when appropriate, and angry when appropriate and so on…
[/quote]

It’s not that I “think” it. It’s just what it is, religious or not. Continuously exhibiting these behaviors is not a positive thing, unless, as you say, “The point is to do whatever positively effects your life, regardless of some moral codes set by ANOTHER man”. At least you’re aware of your insanity. This is gonna turn in to a damn debate about the relativism of morals, but what you just said is that I can justify whatever the fuck I want if I think it’s in my best interests, regardless of how it affects others. Morals have to be a product of communal input (laws? can you also disregard laws because ANOTHER man made them and they preclude your desires?), otherwise they don’t do anything. C’mon man, like I said, I’m not a religious person, but just as idiot christians make all christians look bad, you make all non religious people look bad.[/quote]

You are taking what I have said and adding quite a bit to it. I think I used the words “where appropriate” or something along those lines, not “continuously exhibiting”. Society checks the man that does not obey the “communal input” of morals. This is not a problem and this is not a relativism argument. You are extracting what you want from my argument. Next time you are confused ask, rather than infer to fill in the gaps.

Also I was unaware an insane man could be an eccentric genius. [/quote]

I grade a lot of papers and I often see this style of writing. You’re overstepping your understanding of the language. Stop trying so damn hard and you might sound less ridiculous. You’re also not understanding my point. For them to be sins they need to be taken to a certain level of extreme. So it’s never “appropriate” as a sin. Is it perfectly fine to get boned up seeing a hot girl? Yeah. But if you spend the next three hours jerking off looking at her facebook page, it’s probably an issue and we can go ahead and call that a sin. I.e., “sinning” is not appropriate. I’m not “extracting what I want from your argument” because you didn’t make an argument. You just said some dumb shit and got called on it.

Disclaimer: I’m only calling it sinning because of the religious context and the general understanding of the term. I’m not religious and am not claiming that my take on this stuff is the religious stance.[/quote]

Who said lust is jerking off for 3 hours to a girl on a facebook page… WTF? I am talking about using sins where appropriate, stop extracting what you want from my words… Furthermore the projected images you are casting on myself are really creeping me out… You’re a weird ass dude… … WTF ewwww man! Find a girlfriend… Lmfao

And so you know, I have not being “trying so hard” at all. I have been sitting back and laughing for the most of these posts, minus a few that literally made me face palm… But really find a girlfriend… Lmfao[/quote]

Dude, goddamit. You don’t understand that once it’s a sin it’s not appropriate? There’s no “sinning where appropriate”. Maybe you’re not insane, maybe you’re just really really dumb.

“Furthermore the projected images you are casting on myself”. Hah. Fuck man, I hope english is your second language. So I guess you didn’t take to heart the part about you overstepping your bounds of understanding. And it’s obvious that you’re trying pretty hard, which makes it so much more apparent that you are just really really dumb.

edit: Taking all your responses together, you also seem to have a huge issue with reading comprehension. Seriously.

[ZEB]

[quote]Deorum wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:

[quote]Gkhan wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:
I often say things like Jesus Fucking Mary Christ in jest… It’s a sick joke.[/quote]

I understand.

So, tell me who or what is your god?[/quote]

But of course, I am my own god. [/quote]

WOW a 19 year old God. LMAO!
[/quote]

Ain’t that something? Being your own god. Being the creator of your own moral codes. Setting guidelines for yourself to follow, based on what you have experience thus far in your life. Not praying for anybody to do something for you, making it happen yourself. How absolutely insane right!!!
[/quote]

You can make things happen for yourself, who said that you cannot do that as a Christian. When I was in sales I would hit the ground running each day and it was sink or swim. Working hard and believing in yourself. But that doesn’t mean that you cannot believe in a higher power. You are just about 90% self-deluded and 10% immature. Have you ever worked in sales? Hold on…have you ever had a full time job which paid much more than minimum wage? No really, you know NOT of what you speak.

By the way tell me how safe and healthy a world is where everyone is walking around with their own moral code. Do you even understand the nonsense that your fingers are typing?

[/quote]

To answer your questions, no I have not worked in sales. Yes I have had a full time job that paid more than minimum wage. I have made over a hundred dollars an hour at a time - this however is not relevant and you are losing focus.[/quote]

Wrong boy it is quite relevant. You see there is more to understanding how life works than just spouting something someone once told you. You have ZERO life experience. And if you don’t think age matters when it comes to judgement think again.

You have to be 18 to vote, 21 to drink alcohol and 35 to run for President. Surprise! Age matters! When someone is looking for a good man to run a top organization do they say “now if we could only find a smart ass 19 year old with Internet message board experience I feel we can become a billion dollar company.” LOL not quite. They look for someone who is seasoned. A person who has lived and is rich with experience, someone who has thought deeply about the world and his place in it. That person is NOT you son.

In short, what you say does not matter because what you are screams so loudly.

[Deorum]

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:

I must come off as insane to some. I am okay with that.
[/quote]

It’s not like the good eccentric genius sort of insanity.

[quote]Deorum wrote:

If it wears thin then ignore it. Nobody is forcing you to read it. If you think these sins will negatively impact your life then by all means avoid them. I am not asking anybody to do anything that will not positively impact their life. The point is to do whatever positively effects your life, regardless of some moral codes set by ANOTHER man. Set your own guidelines, you don’t have to follow mine and start being greedy when appropriate, and angry when appropriate and so on…
[/quote]

It’s not that I “think” it. It’s just what it is, religious or not. Continuously exhibiting these behaviors is not a positive thing, unless, as you say, “The point is to do whatever positively effects your life, regardless of some moral codes set by ANOTHER man”. At least you’re aware of your insanity. This is gonna turn in to a damn debate about the relativism of morals, but what you just said is that I can justify whatever the fuck I want if I think it’s in my best interests, regardless of how it affects others. Morals have to be a product of communal input (laws? can you also disregard laws because ANOTHER man made them and they preclude your desires?), otherwise they don’t do anything. C’mon man, like I said, I’m not a religious person, but just as idiot christians make all christians look bad, you make all non religious people look bad.[/quote]

You are taking what I have said and adding quite a bit to it. I think I used the words “where appropriate” or something along those lines, not “continuously exhibiting”. Society checks the man that does not obey the “communal input” of morals. This is not a problem and this is not a relativism argument. You are extracting what you want from my argument. Next time you are confused ask, rather than infer to fill in the gaps.

Also I was unaware an insane man could be an eccentric genius. [/quote]

I grade a lot of papers and I often see this style of writing. You’re overstepping your understanding of the language. Stop trying so damn hard and you might sound less ridiculous. You’re also not understanding my point. For them to be sins they need to be taken to a certain level of extreme. So it’s never “appropriate” as a sin. Is it perfectly fine to get boned up seeing a hot girl? Yeah. But if you spend the next three hours jerking off looking at her facebook page, it’s probably an issue and we can go ahead and call that a sin. I.e., “sinning” is not appropriate. I’m not “extracting what I want from your argument” because you didn’t make an argument. You just said some dumb shit and got called on it.

Disclaimer: I’m only calling it sinning because of the religious context and the general understanding of the term. I’m not religious and am not claiming that my take on this stuff is the religious stance.[/quote]

Who said lust is jerking off for 3 hours to a girl on a facebook page… WTF? I am talking about using sins where appropriate, stop extracting what you want from my words… Furthermore the projected images you are casting on myself are really creeping me out… You’re a weird ass dude… … WTF ewwww man! Find a girlfriend… Lmfao

And so you know, I have not being “trying so hard” at all. I have been sitting back and laughing for the most of these posts, minus a few that literally made me face palm… But really find a girlfriend… Lmfao[/quote]

Dude, goddamit. You don’t understand that once it’s a sin it’s not appropriate? There’s no “sinning where appropriate”. Maybe you’re not insane, maybe you’re just really really dumb.

“Furthermore the projected images you are casting on myself”. Hah. Fuck man, I hope english is your second language. So I guess you didn’t take to heart the part about you overstepping your bounds of understanding. And it’s obvious that you’re trying pretty hard, which makes it so much more apparent that you are just really really dumb.[/quote]

No I think projection is the perfect word to describe almost everything you have said… It is really uncanny how you refuse to stop doing so. Who says a sin cannot be appropriate? Not everybody has the same understanding of “sin” as you do apparently…

Furthermore, if you must insist I am overstepping my understanding of the English language, then correct me - Not on grammar or spelling either Mr. High School Teacher. Correct me on what words are used inappropriately - as you are implying there is an abundance; I predict laughs on the horizon. Perhaps my grasps on the English language is over your head? Perhaps this bothers you? I would say so… Stop being so insecure… You big jerk off LOL!

Though, to save yourself that embarrassment I’ll let you know one more time - Nobody is “trying hard”. This is just how I talk. I’ll add this again for emphasis: stop being so insecure! Not everybody with a more firm grasp of the English language than you is using a thesaurus; your not teaching your high school class anymore Mr. High School Teacher… LOL!

[siouxperman]

[quote]Deorum wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:

I must come off as insane to some. I am okay with that.
[/quote]

It’s not like the good eccentric genius sort of insanity.

[quote]Deorum wrote:

If it wears thin then ignore it. Nobody is forcing you to read it. If you think these sins will negatively impact your life then by all means avoid them. I am not asking anybody to do anything that will not positively impact their life. The point is to do whatever positively effects your life, regardless of some moral codes set by ANOTHER man. Set your own guidelines, you don’t have to follow mine and start being greedy when appropriate, and angry when appropriate and so on…
[/quote]

It’s not that I “think” it. It’s just what it is, religious or not. Continuously exhibiting these behaviors is not a positive thing, unless, as you say, “The point is to do whatever positively effects your life, regardless of some moral codes set by ANOTHER man”. At least you’re aware of your insanity. This is gonna turn in to a damn debate about the relativism of morals, but what you just said is that I can justify whatever the fuck I want if I think it’s in my best interests, regardless of how it affects others. Morals have to be a product of communal input (laws? can you also disregard laws because ANOTHER man made them and they preclude your desires?), otherwise they don’t do anything. C’mon man, like I said, I’m not a religious person, but just as idiot christians make all christians look bad, you make all non religious people look bad.[/quote]

You are taking what I have said and adding quite a bit to it. I think I used the words “where appropriate” or something along those lines, not “continuously exhibiting”. Society checks the man that does not obey the “communal input” of morals. This is not a problem and this is not a relativism argument. You are extracting what you want from my argument. Next time you are confused ask, rather than infer to fill in the gaps.

Also I was unaware an insane man could be an eccentric genius. [/quote]

I grade a lot of papers and I often see this style of writing. You’re overstepping your understanding of the language. Stop trying so damn hard and you might sound less ridiculous. You’re also not understanding my point. For them to be sins they need to be taken to a certain level of extreme. So it’s never “appropriate” as a sin. Is it perfectly fine to get boned up seeing a hot girl? Yeah. But if you spend the next three hours jerking off looking at her facebook page, it’s probably an issue and we can go ahead and call that a sin. I.e., “sinning” is not appropriate. I’m not “extracting what I want from your argument” because you didn’t make an argument. You just said some dumb shit and got called on it.

Disclaimer: I’m only calling it sinning because of the religious context and the general understanding of the term. I’m not religious and am not claiming that my take on this stuff is the religious stance.[/quote]

Who said lust is jerking off for 3 hours to a girl on a facebook page… WTF? I am talking about using sins where appropriate, stop extracting what you want from my words… Furthermore the projected images you are casting on myself are really creeping me out… You’re a weird ass dude… … WTF ewwww man! Find a girlfriend… Lmfao

And so you know, I have not being “trying so hard” at all. I have been sitting back and laughing for the most of these posts, minus a few that literally made me face palm… But really find a girlfriend… Lmfao[/quote]

Dude, goddamit. You don’t understand that once it’s a sin it’s not appropriate? There’s no “sinning where appropriate”. Maybe you’re not insane, maybe you’re just really really dumb.

“Furthermore the projected images you are casting on myself”. Hah. Fuck man, I hope english is your second language. So I guess you didn’t take to heart the part about you overstepping your bounds of understanding. And it’s obvious that you’re trying pretty hard, which makes it so much more apparent that you are just really really dumb.[/quote]

No I think projection is the perfect word to describe almost everything you have said… It is really uncanny how you refuse to stop doing so. Who says a sin cannot be appropriate? Not everybody has the same understanding of “sin” as you do apparently…

Furthermore, if you must insist I am overstepping my understanding of the English language, then correct me - Not on grammar or spelling either Mr. High School Teacher. Correct me on what words are used inappropriately - as you are implying there is an abundance; I predict laughs on the horizon. Perhaps my grasps on the English language is over your head? Perhaps this bothers you? I would say so… Stop being so insecure… You big jerk off LOL![/quote]

Well, first off, there was no projecting. Second, the sentence in which you attempted to accuse me of projection made zero sense. Seriously, there was no structure to that sentence. Hell, it wasn’t actually even a sentence. Third, you think your grasp is “over my head”? You must have parents that encourage your self aggrandizing by calling you “creative” or something. Fourth, if you want to have an amorphous definition of what a sin is then there’s no point in you attempting to have a discussion. If you want to debate what a sin is then you have to do it in the arena in which that term originated. You can’t redefine it then argue about it. All I was doing was giving a lay interpretation of sinning that can be adapted to a non religious world view. I’m not a theologian and neither are you so for either of us to attempt to understand or explain the fundamental logic behind sins is just pissing in the wind. You’ve already proven that you don’t understand what any of that means though, so I don’t expect a coherent response to it.

Also, learn what ellipsis are and how/when to use them appropriately.

And I’m not a high school teacher. Who’s the one making assumptions?

Edit: You edited your comment with this beauty of a statement and I’d be remiss not to address it:
“Though, to save yourself that embarrassment I’ll let you know one more time - Nobody is “trying hard”. This is just how I talk. I’ll add this again for emphasis: stop being so insecure! Not everybody with a more firm grasp of the English language than you is using a thesaurus; your not teaching your high school class anymore Mr. High School Teacher… LOL!”

If this is “just how you talk” then I stand by my earlier statement of hoping English is your second language. I work with people for whom it actually is their second language and they have a much “firmer grasp” than you. You also don’t seem to know what a thesaurus is, or you wouldn’t have referenced it in that context. Learn the difference between your and you’re. Refer to my comment on ellipsis. Why the fuck do you assume I’m a high school teacher?

[Deorum]

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:

I must come off as insane to some. I am okay with that.
[/quote]

It’s not like the good eccentric genius sort of insanity.

[quote]Deorum wrote:

If it wears thin then ignore it. Nobody is forcing you to read it. If you think these sins will negatively impact your life then by all means avoid them. I am not asking anybody to do anything that will not positively impact their life. The point is to do whatever positively effects your life, regardless of some moral codes set by ANOTHER man. Set your own guidelines, you don’t have to follow mine and start being greedy when appropriate, and angry when appropriate and so on…
[/quote]

It’s not that I “think” it. It’s just what it is, religious or not. Continuously exhibiting these behaviors is not a positive thing, unless, as you say, “The point is to do whatever positively effects your life, regardless of some moral codes set by ANOTHER man”. At least you’re aware of your insanity. This is gonna turn in to a damn debate about the relativism of morals, but what you just said is that I can justify whatever the fuck I want if I think it’s in my best interests, regardless of how it affects others. Morals have to be a product of communal input (laws? can you also disregard laws because ANOTHER man made them and they preclude your desires?), otherwise they don’t do anything. C’mon man, like I said, I’m not a religious person, but just as idiot christians make all christians look bad, you make all non religious people look bad.[/quote]

You are taking what I have said and adding quite a bit to it. I think I used the words “where appropriate” or something along those lines, not “continuously exhibiting”. Society checks the man that does not obey the “communal input” of morals. This is not a problem and this is not a relativism argument. You are extracting what you want from my argument. Next time you are confused ask, rather than infer to fill in the gaps.

Also I was unaware an insane man could be an eccentric genius. [/quote]

I grade a lot of papers and I often see this style of writing. You’re overstepping your understanding of the language. Stop trying so damn hard and you might sound less ridiculous. You’re also not understanding my point. For them to be sins they need to be taken to a certain level of extreme. So it’s never “appropriate” as a sin. Is it perfectly fine to get boned up seeing a hot girl? Yeah. But if you spend the next three hours jerking off looking at her facebook page, it’s probably an issue and we can go ahead and call that a sin. I.e., “sinning” is not appropriate. I’m not “extracting what I want from your argument” because you didn’t make an argument. You just said some dumb shit and got called on it.

Disclaimer: I’m only calling it sinning because of the religious context and the general understanding of the term. I’m not religious and am not claiming that my take on this stuff is the religious stance.[/quote]

Who said lust is jerking off for 3 hours to a girl on a facebook page… WTF? I am talking about using sins where appropriate, stop extracting what you want from my words… Furthermore the projected images you are casting on myself are really creeping me out… You’re a weird ass dude… … WTF ewwww man! Find a girlfriend… Lmfao

And so you know, I have not being “trying so hard” at all. I have been sitting back and laughing for the most of these posts, minus a few that literally made me face palm… But really find a girlfriend… Lmfao[/quote]

Dude, goddamit. You don’t understand that once it’s a sin it’s not appropriate? There’s no “sinning where appropriate”. Maybe you’re not insane, maybe you’re just really really dumb.

“Furthermore the projected images you are casting on myself”. Hah. Fuck man, I hope english is your second language. So I guess you didn’t take to heart the part about you overstepping your bounds of understanding. And it’s obvious that you’re trying pretty hard, which makes it so much more apparent that you are just really really dumb.

edit: Taking all your responses together, you also seem to have a huge issue with reading comprehension. Seriously. [/quote]

Edit: Taking all your responses together I see why your stuck teaching high school and jerking off to facebook! LOL!

Come on if your going to try to attack me is it not fair that I attack you back? Have a mother fucking backbone man! Stop being so insecure and getting your feathers ruffled.

[Deorum]

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:

I must come off as insane to some. I am okay with that.
[/quote]

It’s not like the good eccentric genius sort of insanity.

[quote]Deorum wrote:

If it wears thin then ignore it. Nobody is forcing you to read it. If you think these sins will negatively impact your life then by all means avoid them. I am not asking anybody to do anything that will not positively impact their life. The point is to do whatever positively effects your life, regardless of some moral codes set by ANOTHER man. Set your own guidelines, you don’t have to follow mine and start being greedy when appropriate, and angry when appropriate and so on…
[/quote]

It’s not that I “think” it. It’s just what it is, religious or not. Continuously exhibiting these behaviors is not a positive thing, unless, as you say, “The point is to do whatever positively effects your life, regardless of some moral codes set by ANOTHER man”. At least you’re aware of your insanity. This is gonna turn in to a damn debate about the relativism of morals, but what you just said is that I can justify whatever the fuck I want if I think it’s in my best interests, regardless of how it affects others. Morals have to be a product of communal input (laws? can you also disregard laws because ANOTHER man made them and they preclude your desires?), otherwise they don’t do anything. C’mon man, like I said, I’m not a religious person, but just as idiot christians make all christians look bad, you make all non religious people look bad.[/quote]

You are taking what I have said and adding quite a bit to it. I think I used the words “where appropriate” or something along those lines, not “continuously exhibiting”. Society checks the man that does not obey the “communal input” of morals. This is not a problem and this is not a relativism argument. You are extracting what you want from my argument. Next time you are confused ask, rather than infer to fill in the gaps.

Also I was unaware an insane man could be an eccentric genius. [/quote]

I grade a lot of papers and I often see this style of writing. You’re overstepping your understanding of the language. Stop trying so damn hard and you might sound less ridiculous. You’re also not understanding my point. For them to be sins they need to be taken to a certain level of extreme. So it’s never “appropriate” as a sin. Is it perfectly fine to get boned up seeing a hot girl? Yeah. But if you spend the next three hours jerking off looking at her facebook page, it’s probably an issue and we can go ahead and call that a sin. I.e., “sinning” is not appropriate. I’m not “extracting what I want from your argument” because you didn’t make an argument. You just said some dumb shit and got called on it.

Disclaimer: I’m only calling it sinning because of the religious context and the general understanding of the term. I’m not religious and am not claiming that my take on this stuff is the religious stance.[/quote]

Who said lust is jerking off for 3 hours to a girl on a facebook page… WTF? I am talking about using sins where appropriate, stop extracting what you want from my words… Furthermore the projected images you are casting on myself are really creeping me out… You’re a weird ass dude… … WTF ewwww man! Find a girlfriend… Lmfao

And so you know, I have not being “trying so hard” at all. I have been sitting back and laughing for the most of these posts, minus a few that literally made me face palm… But really find a girlfriend… Lmfao[/quote]

Dude, goddamit. You don’t understand that once it’s a sin it’s not appropriate? There’s no “sinning where appropriate”. Maybe you’re not insane, maybe you’re just really really dumb.

“Furthermore the projected images you are casting on myself”. Hah. Fuck man, I hope english is your second language. So I guess you didn’t take to heart the part about you overstepping your bounds of understanding. And it’s obvious that you’re trying pretty hard, which makes it so much more apparent that you are just really really dumb.[/quote]

No I think projection is the perfect word to describe almost everything you have said… It is really uncanny how you refuse to stop doing so. Who says a sin cannot be appropriate? Not everybody has the same understanding of “sin” as you do apparently…

Furthermore, if you must insist I am overstepping my understanding of the English language, then correct me - Not on grammar or spelling either Mr. High School Teacher. Correct me on what words are used inappropriately - as you are implying there is an abundance; I predict laughs on the horizon. Perhaps my grasps on the English language is over your head? Perhaps this bothers you? I would say so… Stop being so insecure… You big jerk off LOL![/quote]

Well, first off, there was no projecting. Second, the sentence in which you attempted to accuse me of projection made zero sense. Seriously, there was no structure to that sentence. Hell, it wasn’t actually even a sentence. Third, you think your grasp is “over my head”? You must have parents that encourage your self aggrandizing by calling you “creative” or something. Fourth, if you want to have an amorphous definition of what a sin is then there’s no point in you attempting to have a discussion. If you want to debate what a sin is then you have to do it in the arena in which that term originated. You can’t redefine it then argue about it. All I was doing was giving a lay interpretation of sinning that can be adapted to a non religious world view. I’m not a theologian and neither are you so for either of us to attempt to understand or explain the fundamental logic behind sins is just pissing in the wind. You’ve already proven that you don’t understand what any of that means though, so I don’t expect a coherent response to it.

Also, learn what ellipsis are and how/when to use them appropriately.

And I’m not a high school teacher. Who’s the one making assumptions?[/quote]

I hope you don’t teach in grade school… I don’t want my son going to school with the facebook jerker!!! HAHAHAHA! And that was the projection I was referring to, ya big smart grade school teacher you!

Anyway this shit slinging went on long enough. That was somewhat out of character for me(he was just too funny of a character to not poke fun at and we needed some comic relief).

Digressing…

SO THAT RELIGION! AIN’T THAT SOME SHIT!?

[Brother_Chris]

[quote]Deorum wrote:
Now I ask, Why are these “sins” again? Somebody inform me why I should avoid these behaviors. Furthermore, tell me as Christians why NONE of you avoid any of these sins - don’t say because you accepted jesus and you don’t NEED to any more. That is the weak minded cop out that I would expect from a Christian. Even if you don’t need to follow these because you accepted Jesus you should still strive to match your god’s image, no? Are you guys really striving to be God-like? If not, why?

Let me repost that for Chris. Actually answer the questions this time. Why are these sins, why should I avoid them, and why DON’T you as a Christian avoid them?

Hint Chris will come back with a question avoiding response, based in semantics - filled with personal attacks and distracting facts intertwined with absolute falsehoods. Regardless it is not about Chris. He is a lost soul. The point is for the rest of you to start thinking using YOUR own brains.[/quote]

Not my fault you can’t read what the Church teaches. You can’t bring falsehoods to the table all you want. Why would anyone answer your questions when all you do is make up shit?

I’ll answer your questions, but I’ll post what the actually definition is from newadvent.com not your ignorant definitions.

I will tell you why it is bad to be have pride, greedy, envy, wrath, lust, gluttony, and sloth.

“Pride is the excessive love of one’s own excellence.”

It is bad to be Prideful because the creature refuses to stay within his essential orbit, he turns his back upon authority. Leads to murder, distortion of the truth, ambiguity.

“Avarice (from Latin avarus, “greedy”; “to crave”) is the inordinate love for riches. Its special malice, broadly speaking, lies in that it makes the getting and keeping of money, possessions, and the like, a purpose in itself to live for.”

It is bad to be greedy because it gives unreasonable love for money, which is only valuable because it is an instrument to conduct life. Leads to usurpition, theft, conning people.

"Envy is defined to be a sorrow which one entertains at another’s well-being because of a view that one’s own excellence is in consequence lessened.

It is bad to be envious because it allows oneself to lessens oneself because of anothers gifts, as if one’s worth was based on another’s possessions. It leads to gossip, murder, theft, assault, &c.

“Wrath is the desire of vengeance. When these are in conformity with the prescriptions of balanced reason, anger is not a sin. It is rather a praiseworthy thing and justifiable with a proper zeal. It becomes sinful when it is sought to wreak vengeance upon one who has not deserved it, or to a greater extent than it has been deserved, or in conflict with the dispositions of law, or from an improper motive.”

The reason it is bad to desire vengeance because you are giving unjust punishment to someone else. Jesus took a whip and flipped over tables in the synogague. Righteous Indignation is not bad (which is just anger), but to want to kill someone because they pulled out in front of you is wrong. It leads to unjust punishment, unwarranted punishment, murder, &c.

“(From Lat. gluttire, to swallow, to gulp down), the excessive indulgence in food and drink. The moral deformity discernible in this vice lies in its defiance of the order postulated by reason, which prescribes necessity as the measure of indulgence in eating and drinking. This deordination, according to the teaching of the Angelic Doctor, may happen in five ways which are set forth in the scholastic verse: “Prae-propere, laute, nimis, ardenter, studiose” or, according to the apt rendering of Father Joseph Rickably: too soon, too expensively, too much, too eagerly, too daintily. Clearly one who uses food or drink in such a way as to injure his health or impair the mental equipment needed for the discharge of his duties, is guilty of the sin of gluttony.”

The reason that gluttony is bad is because it affects our health and free will and our ability to take care of our responsiblities.

"In general slothfulness means disinclination to labour or exertion. As a capital or deadly vice St. Thomas (II-II:35) calls it sadness in the face of some spiritual good which one has to achieve (Tristitia de bono spirituali). Father Rickaby aptly translates its Latin equivalent acedia (Gr. akedia) by saying that it means the don’t-care feeling. A man apprehends the practice of virtue to be beset with difficulties and chafes under the restraints imposed by the service of God. The narrow way stretches wearily before him and his soul grows sluggish and torpid at the thought of the painful life journey. The idea of right living inspires not joy but disgust, because of its laboriousness.

It is wrong to be slothful because one is delict of one’s obligation. Instead of going to work and supporting your family, you get drunk. Instead of picking up your children from school you play video games. Instead of being faithful to your wife you go to the prostitute, instead of paying rent so your family has a home you buy a new car.