Obtuse Religious Philosophy

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:

PS. Nobody is claiming divinity - the concept of divinity is dead.[/quote]

Sounds like somebody read a little Nietzsche and suddenly has all the answers. Also, dude, in all honesty, please work on your fucking grammar and sentence structure. Your shit is painful to read. Did you really equate measurements of distance (inches) with measurements of time (history, age) earlier? That’s a hypothetical question, by the way. You obviously did do exactly that and I’m sure you have no idea why it’s wrong because you are retarded and don’t understand sentence structure. How the fuck are you ever a unit of distance away from a measure of time? Oh fuck, looks like I’m thirty feet from 2 o’clock, better hurry up. All your attempts at making witty/educated commentary reveal that you are neither witty nor educated. Seriously, if you can’t even coherently type your ridiculous arguments you might need to reassess some things.[/quote]

And your ad hominems carry the day?[/quote]

Hey ya silly shmuck, this was directed at the guy who suggested his grasp of the English language was “over my head” and challenged me to point out his poor grammar, syntax, etc. I could fill the rest of the post limit of this thread by pointing out his painfully obvious mistakes, but I would rather focus on the best of the best. And I’ll stand by the fact that if you can’t post proper sentences then you’ve got no business arguing about anything.

Also, what’s with the avatar pic? Myspace is dead brah.[/quote]

This kid’s killing me, too, with his “stellar” command of English:

[i]You rationed with yourself, "I’m going to die anyway…

This is all making me wish I had time to sit down and craft exhibit C as I already know the gist of it and these are intrinsic themes being discussed right now…

I rebuttal this by saying, You don’t worship God,[/i]

Everybody makes mistakes, but not THESE kinds when you act like such a supercillious ass.

Kid’s got serious problems… and I don’t mean just linguistically.

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Did I not say earlier that they would fall to semantics? Though the semantics of grammar was even lower than my expectations for them… A horribly weak intellectual response… I am truly, honestly disappointed… Not much is being asked or added to this argument to merit my response at all anymore. On that I think it would be better to just sit back and watch you guys debate as in that scenario at least intellectual conflict is occurring - assuming our fingers aren’t in our ears as we scream.[/quote]

No, jackass. You asked for examples of mis-used words.

Siouxperman had it right: “Try-to-hard-itis” is the proper diagnosis.[/quote]

Proving my point…

PS… I asked for examples of mis-used words? Did you really use a quote from like 5 pages ago to justify your bitching about my typing style? Can you stop being such a weak person? Stick to the fucking topic you know the difference between bitching about somebody’s grammar and pretending it is a response and actually engaging in debate… Jesus fucking Christ I feel like I’m talking to a fucking classroom… You condescend yourself with the stupid bullshit that you say.

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Obtuse - Annoyingly insensitive or slow to understand

Religious - Relating to or manifesting faithful devotion to an acknowledged ultimate reality or deity

Philosophy - doctrine; a belief (or system of beliefs) accepted as authoritative by some group or school

Now that we refreshed ourselves on the topic of this thread I’m taking a break - my patience is shot. Debate is slowly moving along though…

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:

PS. Nobody is claiming divinity - the concept of divinity is dead.[/quote]

Sounds like somebody read a little Nietzsche and suddenly has all the answers. Also, dude, in all honesty, please work on your fucking grammar and sentence structure. Your shit is painful to read. Did you really equate measurements of distance (inches) with measurements of time (history, age) earlier? That’s a hypothetical question, by the way. You obviously did do exactly that and I’m sure you have no idea why it’s wrong because you are retarded and don’t understand sentence structure. How the fuck are you ever a unit of distance away from a measure of time? Oh fuck, looks like I’m thirty feet from 2 o’clock, better hurry up. All your attempts at making witty/educated commentary reveal that you are neither witty nor educated. Seriously, if you can’t even coherently type your ridiculous arguments you might need to reassess some things.[/quote]

And your ad hominems carry the day?[/quote]

Also, what’s with the avatar pic? Myspace is dead brah.[/quote]

It’s a simple pic of ME. Have you had a look at your pic brah? T-Nation certainly aint dead, but I’d be fucking embarrassed to post that unless of course you were participating in our figure athlete section. Carry on with correcting internet grammar papers brah. [/quote]

Nice. Pretty much how I figured a guy with that kind of picture would react. Swing and a miss.

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[quote]Deorum wrote:
For today at least, I view god as the man made exaltation of the ideal man. [/quote]

The God of the Old Testament isn’t an ideal man, he’s got a lot of flaws. Hell, he’s a jealous God. He gets angry, he destroys the whole earth.

Now, Christ, on the other hand, is more of the man made exaltation of the ideal man.

And to Body Guard. The reason I have Genghis Khan as an avatar is a tribute to the failings of Western Civilization History taught in colleges and high schools. I’m a history buff, and all through school and college I never even heard mention of the history of the Mongol Empire, the largest land based empire in history, that controlled from Korea to Hungary, from Siberia to Iran. These guys didn’t just rape and pillage, they conquered territory, like Rome, ruled and administered taxes. Plus their armies were utterly unbeatable in warfare and lost only 2 major battles during the height of their Empire.

The only recorded words of Genghis Khan is said by Schwarzenegger in Conan The Barbarian, and that’s a pretty cool bit of trivia.

(sorry to get off topic.)

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:
For today at least, I view god as the man made exaltation of the ideal man. [/quote]

The God of the Old Testament isn’t an ideal man, he’s got a lot of flaws. Hell, he’s a jealous God. He gets angry, he destroys the whole earth.

Now, Christ, on the other hand, is more of the man made exaltation of the ideal man.

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This was interesting… Well the God of the old testament was just that, a god to the old testament - you are the new testament. That is why Jesus is your new god - the new holy covenant with man. Correct me if I am wrong. (Yes I know father, son, holy spirit all make up the “God” you worship but JESUS is your GOD)

You should also know where I stand, the exaltation of Jesus is much less than ideal. I’m sure you already realize we differ there though. However I think we are getting much closer to the crux of the disagreement…

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[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:

PS. Nobody is claiming divinity - the concept of divinity is dead.[/quote]

Sounds like somebody read a little Nietzsche and suddenly has all the answers. Also, dude, in all honesty, please work on your fucking grammar and sentence structure. Your shit is painful to read. Did you really equate measurements of distance (inches) with measurements of time (history, age) earlier? That’s a hypothetical question, by the way. You obviously did do exactly that and I’m sure you have no idea why it’s wrong because you are retarded and don’t understand sentence structure. How the fuck are you ever a unit of distance away from a measure of time? Oh fuck, looks like I’m thirty feet from 2 o’clock, better hurry up. All your attempts at making witty/educated commentary reveal that you are neither witty nor educated. Seriously, if you can’t even coherently type your ridiculous arguments you might need to reassess some things.[/quote]

And your ad hominems carry the day?[/quote]

Also, what’s with the avatar pic? Myspace is dead brah.[/quote]

It’s a simple pic of ME. Have you had a look at your pic brah? T-Nation certainly aint dead, but I’d be fucking embarrassed to post that unless of course you were participating in our figure athlete section. Carry on with correcting internet grammar papers brah. [/quote]

Nice. Pretty much how I figured a guy with that kind of picture would react. Swing and a miss.[/quote]

Why? Because you think 205 is hyooooge brah? OK. If you can believe in the fairy tales of religion, I guess you can also believe you’re hyooooge. It’s settled.

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:
For today at least, I view god as the man made exaltation of the ideal man. [/quote]

The God of the Old Testament isn’t an ideal man, he’s got a lot of flaws. Hell, he’s a jealous God. He gets angry, he destroys the whole earth.

Now, Christ, on the other hand, is more of the man made exaltation of the ideal man.

A [/quote]

And the two could not be more incompatible. A fresh reading and blind unbiased comparison would conclude the OT and NT are not even based on the same religion and that they were two completely different Gods. Take away the story of Jesus, and they have no connection. And, all of the other major religions deny his divinity. Hmmmm.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

They care, the fight, they argue, because each one thinks they have THE ANSWER at the expense of someone else who does not share their belief. And throughout history, the foregoing, at it’s best, meant we live and let live - and at it’s worst, meant trying to eradicate anyone who did not share your faith. The latter existed in your church too - outright terrorism. [/quote]

First of all it is illogical to assume that because there are many different religions that all religions are wrong. Secondly, there have been more wars and more people killed by those who are NOT Christian than those begun by Christians. [/quote]

No sir. It’s illogical and incredibly myopic to assume that YOUR religion is right and all others are wrong. After all, that’s the underpinning of Christianity.[/quote]

That’s not what I posted. I’ll say it a different way for you. Just because they can’t all be right does not mean that they are all wrong. That is illogical on its face.

Of course it has. As long as man lives there will be evil perpetrated, as man is inherently flawed. But, while you say you are not keeping score it is important to note that more people have been killed by those who profess NOT to be Christian.
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If they aren’t all right, then by default, all are wrong except one.[/quote]

I agree with this statement but that is not what you’ve been saying. You were stating that because there were so many they could not all be right therefore they were all wrong (that was one of your logical fallacies). I’m glad you see things my way now.

I agree, but that is a separate issue as to there being so many they must all be wrong. And you’ve already agreed that one could be right.

It was YOU who brought up the many wars and deaths caused by Christianity, not me. Now you want to change your argument to killing is just bad regardless of who does it. I see. It was you who falsely Judged Christianity by certain groups of people through out the ages. And as I’ve stated if we were to do that more people have died at the hands of non-Christians. Therefore by your own (tortured) logic you would want to become a Christian to not be associated with such vicious people.

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This thread delivers. It is one of the only threads I can think of that should actually be moved TO GAL.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

They care, the fight, they argue, because each one thinks they have THE ANSWER at the expense of someone else who does not share their belief. And throughout history, the foregoing, at it’s best, meant we live and let live - and at it’s worst, meant trying to eradicate anyone who did not share your faith. The latter existed in your church too - outright terrorism. [/quote]

First of all it is illogical to assume that because there are many different religions that all religions are wrong. Secondly, there have been more wars and more people killed by those who are NOT Christian than those begun by Christians. [/quote]

No sir. It’s illogical and incredibly myopic to assume that YOUR religion is right and all others are wrong. After all, that’s the underpinning of Christianity.[/quote]

That’s not what I posted. I’ll say it a different way for you. Just because they can’t all be right does not mean that they are all wrong. That is illogical on its face.

Of course it has. As long as man lives there will be evil perpetrated, as man is inherently flawed. But, while you say you are not keeping score it is important to note that more people have been killed by those who profess NOT to be Christian.
[/quote]

If they aren’t all right, then by default, all are wrong except one.[/quote]

I agree with this statement but that is not what you’ve been saying. You were stating that because there were so many they could not all be right therefore they were all wrong (that was one of your logical fallacies). I’m glad you see things my way now.

I agree, but that is a separate issue as to there being so many they must all be wrong. And you’ve already agreed that one could be right.

It was YOU who brought up the many wars and deaths caused by Christianity, not me. Now you want to change your argument to killing is just bad regardless of who does it. I see. It was you who falsely Judged Christianity by certain groups of people through out the ages. And as I’ve stated if we were to do that more people have died at the hands of non-Christians. Therefore by your own (tortured) logic you would want to become a Christian to not be associated with such vicious people. [/quote]

Whoa, hold on. I did not state that “because there were so many they could not be right and all are wrong”. You have misunderstood my point and there are no logical fallacies since you just misunderstood me. What I was getting at is everyone thinks theirs is right. That’s not possible. What’s more likely? That YOURS is true, or that all have SOME TRUTH OR NO TRUTH AT ALL? Trust me, I’m not seeing things your way.

Further, I have not agreed that one religion could be right. I find it incredulous that the alleged Almighty (as he has been described) has not stayed in contact with us and/or left behind a clearer record not subject to any dispute (certainly possible for the “Almighty” as He has been described.

What I do allow for is the possibility of the divine or supernatural, perhaps even intelligent design, but I do not believe the basis for man’s religions that contain themes of “god” talking to man or inspiring man to write down doctrine. I do not believe it. I do not believe in “personal revelation” which is the basis for Christianity e.g., “God” manifested thru Christ and/or spoke to various “prophets” throughout history and they in turn recorded various scriptures.

As for your war arguments, you sound a bit sensitive to your Church’s history. Yes, your Church - not “certain individuals”. If you want to measure relative and collateral damage in an attempt to forgive or minimize (“well, they killed more than we, so we’re better”) persecution, murder and censorship in the name of your religion, then you go right ahead with that exercise in relative morality. I’ll go right on ahead with the belief that we can judge something by its fruit.

Maybe instead of you telling me what I mean when you’re obviously confused by something I wrote (or you’re purposefully twisting my words to support YOUR arguments but I give you the benefit of the doubt), you can ask questions and then offer your rebuttal. But frankly. there is NO rebuttal to what I’ve stated. You can no more rebut my beliefs than I can rebut your faith.

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[quote]Cortes wrote:
This thread delivers. It is one of the only threads I can think of that should actually be moved TO GAL.

We can always rely on your to add something intelligent to the dialogue. Maybe YOU should be moved to GAL where in living color vids are appropriate.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:

PS. Nobody is claiming divinity - the concept of divinity is dead.[/quote]

Sounds like somebody read a little Nietzsche and suddenly has all the answers. Also, dude, in all honesty, please work on your fucking grammar and sentence structure. Your shit is painful to read. Did you really equate measurements of distance (inches) with measurements of time (history, age) earlier? That’s a hypothetical question, by the way. You obviously did do exactly that and I’m sure you have no idea why it’s wrong because you are retarded and don’t understand sentence structure. How the fuck are you ever a unit of distance away from a measure of time? Oh fuck, looks like I’m thirty feet from 2 o’clock, better hurry up. All your attempts at making witty/educated commentary reveal that you are neither witty nor educated. Seriously, if you can’t even coherently type your ridiculous arguments you might need to reassess some things.[/quote]

And your ad hominems carry the day?[/quote]

Also, what’s with the avatar pic? Myspace is dead brah.[/quote]

It’s a simple pic of ME. Have you had a look at your pic brah? T-Nation certainly aint dead, but I’d be fucking embarrassed to post that unless of course you were participating in our figure athlete section. Carry on with correcting internet grammar papers brah. [/quote]

Nice. Pretty much how I figured a guy with that kind of picture would react. Swing and a miss.[/quote]

Why? Because you think 205 is hyooooge brah? OK. If you can believe in the fairy tales of religion, I guess you can also believe you’re hyooooge. It’s settled. [/quote]

Hey, dumbass. I’m not religious. Read the thread, clown.

edit: You seem to be the only one preoccupied with my size. Hell, I never even brought it up. Didn’t realize a bodyguard would get so irrationally defensive about his picture. At least mine shows why I’m on this site. All yours shows is that you need more sleep and less hair gel.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

I have not agreed that one religion could be right.[/quote]

This is what you wrote: [quote]If they aren’t all right, then by default, all are wrong except one[/quote]

And your back peddling notwithstanding, I agree with that statement.

It is your assumption that a clearer better way is available to God. But, as I said to you in one of our earlier posts God (the Father) spoke to his people directly. Did it help? They still sinned and turned away in droves.

Yes, I understand that, you’re not a Christian.

I’m not the least bit sensitive to such a foolish arguement. If you think that I have not heard such nonsense in the past, many times, think again. And let’s be clear these were YOUR war arguments. Brought up by YOU and then later backed away from by YOU.

Once again YOU brought it up. And my answer to you was that if YOU are going to judge Christians by the pain they’ve inflicted in others then please hold the same yard stick to non-Christians. When this is done the non-Christians win out in the infliction department. This is not meant to condone, or make excues for any pain caused by Christians, it’s obviously wrong. It’s only meant to show the futility of your initial groundless charges.

I have twisted nothing. I have plainly responded to what you’ve written. At times you have indeed used logical fallacies to make a point (we just discussed one of them above regarding wars). I understand that you don’t like that, but you cannot claim that I have misinterpreted your words, I have not.

I have no intention of rebutting your beliefs, nor have I tried. It is I who have repeatedly stated on this site that faith is not science and science is not faith. With that said, faith can never be proven conclusively that is why it clearly states in the Bible that “it is impossible to please God without faith.”

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[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:

PS. Nobody is claiming divinity - the concept of divinity is dead.[/quote]

Sounds like somebody read a little Nietzsche and suddenly has all the answers. Also, dude, in all honesty, please work on your fucking grammar and sentence structure. Your shit is painful to read. Did you really equate measurements of distance (inches) with measurements of time (history, age) earlier? That’s a hypothetical question, by the way. You obviously did do exactly that and I’m sure you have no idea why it’s wrong because you are retarded and don’t understand sentence structure. How the fuck are you ever a unit of distance away from a measure of time? Oh fuck, looks like I’m thirty feet from 2 o’clock, better hurry up. All your attempts at making witty/educated commentary reveal that you are neither witty nor educated. Seriously, if you can’t even coherently type your ridiculous arguments you might need to reassess some things.[/quote]

And your ad hominems carry the day?[/quote]

Also, what’s with the avatar pic? Myspace is dead brah.[/quote]

It’s a simple pic of ME. Have you had a look at your pic brah? T-Nation certainly aint dead, but I’d be fucking embarrassed to post that unless of course you were participating in our figure athlete section. Carry on with correcting internet grammar papers brah. [/quote]

Nice. Pretty much how I figured a guy with that kind of picture would react. Swing and a miss.[/quote]

Why? Because you think 205 is hyooooge brah? OK. If you can believe in the fairy tales of religion, I guess you can also believe you’re hyooooge. It’s settled. [/quote]

Hey, dumbass. I’m not religious. Read the thread, clown.

edit: You seem to be the only one preoccupied with my size. Hell, I never even brought it up. Didn’t realize a bodyguard would get so irrationally defensive about his picture. At least mine shows why I’m on this site. All yours shows is that you need more sleep and less hair gel.[/quote]

More sleep yes. More size, not.

And hey dumbass “brah”, you’re the one preoccupied with my picture. It’s quite unnatural. Are you the type of pussy that hits someone and then runs to the teacher when you get hit back?

EDIT:

Just looked at your hub. It was almost too good to be true. I said 205 and you’re actually 202. There is gold there. And since it is a BB site as you pointed out, maybe in the future you’ll refrain from making remarks about someone’s picture who outweighs you by 60lbs and can outlift you on my worst day.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

I have not agreed that one religion could be right.[/quote]

This is what you wrote: [quote]If they aren’t all right, then by default, all are wrong except one[/quote]

And your back peddling notwithstanding, I agree with that statement.

It is your assumption that a clearer better way is available to God. But, as I said to you in one of our earlier posts God (the Father) spoke to his people directly. Did it help? They still sinned and turned away in droves.

Yes, I understand that, you’re not a Christian.

I’m not the least bit sensitive to such a foolish arguement. If you think that I have not heard such nonsense in the past, many times, think again. And let’s be clear these were YOUR war arguments. Brought up by YOU and then later backed away from by YOU.

Once again YOU brought it up. And my answer to you was that if YOU are going to judge Christians by the pain they’ve inflicted in others then please hold the same yard stick to non-Christians. When this is done the non-Christians win out in the infliction department. This is not meant to condone, or make excues for any pain caused by Christians, it’s obviously wrong. It’s only meant to show the futility of your initial groundless charges.

I have twisted nothing. I have plainly responded to what you’ve written. At times you have indeed used logical fallacies to make a point (we just discussed one of them above regarding wars). I understand that you don’t like that, but you cannot claim that I have misinterpreted your words, I have not.

I have no intention of rebutting your beliefs, nor have I tried. It is I who have repeatedly stated on this site that faith is not science and science is not faith. With that said, faith can never be proven conclusively that is why it clearly states in the Bible that “it is impossible to please God without faith.” [/quote]

You’re exhausting and I’m not going to continue to banter with you. Make a fucking point or a rebuttal but stop playing word games and twisting mine.

First, when I referenced that “one is right” I was talking of your beliefs and that of everyone else. And you know that and you’re purposefully taking words out of context and I do not have the time or inclination to continue to rebut this nonsense. Since you like logic, they can’t all be right, but they can all be wrong, since none start with an undisputed known truth. THAT is what I believe - that they cannot all be right, and that they could all very well be wrong. YOU believe that only one is right, at the expense of all the others.

I’m assuming God had a better way? Are you fucking serious? Now you’re arguing by default that GOD IS SOMEHOW LIMITED. You might want to go back and refresh your beliefs sir. So God is limited in the means by which he can communicate with his children? I can’t even believe you typed or suggested such a thing. And finally, your circular fallacy of relying on something (in dispute) to prove a disputed point is completely illogical. You cannot say to me that the OT proves God communicated directly with man.

I did not back away from any such war, persecution, murder, censorship or any such related argument as to the history of your Church. Not one bit. I shall judge the tree by its fruit. I shall judge it by the very participants in this very thread and the related threads. I don’t see you walking upon higher ground.

It’s not a “groundless charge” just because I did not mention the murder committed by Muslims or other religious groups. I raised yours. Comparing it to another, or stating that another committed the same acts or in greater numbers, is not the point and you know it.

And yes, you have twisted my words and I shall not continue to point out how. And raising the fact that Christians committed wholesale murder in the name of religion (among other things) is not a logical fallacy. What the fuck are you talking about?

Anyway, instead of arguing and nit picking words, why don’t you stick to the meat on the bone - or is your position so weak that you must obfuscate the argument with word play?

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
…or is your position so weak that you must obfuscate the argument with word play?[/quote]

Yes.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

You’re exhausting and I’m not going to continue to banter with you. Make a fucking point or a rebuttal but stop playing word games and twisting mine.[/quote]

I’ve not twisted one word of your ineffectual attack on Christianity. Why would I? You’re doing a poor job without me jumping in.

Wrong, you have plenty of time from what I can tell. Secondly, I took nothing of what you said out of context, again why would I? It is patently foolish within it’s very context, taking it out would only help you.

I completely agree with that statement and it made perfect sense. Do more of this.

Now you’re moving to the part of your program called attack of the “straw man.” I never said God is limited and you probably know that. What I said was that God (the father) communicated to people one on one thousands of years ago and many still turned their backs on him and sinned. With that said obviously he could communicate with people directly today, he’s God.

I never said that either. Think now, what did I say? I said that God spoke to his people (according to the OT). If you are not a Christian and do not believe in the Bible then of course this is all nonsense to you, just as your argumentation skills are nonsense to me.

You walked away from that point by saying that “it doesn’t matter both sides were involved in war.” My rebuttal was to remind you (as I do now) that your original point was to demean Christianity with your comment as there have been more wars and far more pain caused by non-Christians. At that point you wanted no more of it. Are you now ready to prove that Christians are responsible for more suffering than non-Christians through the ages? If not you are once again walking away from that particular piece of illogic.

You’ve not even begun to point out how, therefore you cannot continue to do so. This is one more error in logic on your part.

What are words? If you cannot use them effectively is it not my duty to point that out? You seem to be asking for a free pass as to how ineffectively you communicate. Now why would I do that? And furthermore if you are so very sure that Christianity is incorrect how can I trust you to prove this if you are incapable of carrying on a general conversation regarding religion? In short, you have to do better, much better for me to take you seriously.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

You’re exhausting and I’m not going to continue to banter with you. Make a fucking point or a rebuttal but stop playing word games and twisting mine.[/quote]

I’ve not twisted one word of your ineffectual attack on Christianity. Why would I? You’re doing a poor job without me jumping in.

Wrong, you have plenty of time from what I can tell. Secondly, I took nothing of what you said out of context, again why would I? It is patently foolish within it’s very context, taking it out would only help you.

I completely agree with that statement and it made perfect sense. Do more of this.

Now you’re moving to the part of your program called attack of the “straw man.” I never said God is limited and you probably know that. What I said was that God (the father) communicated to people one on one thousands of years ago and many still turned their backs on him and sinned. With that said obviously he could communicate with people directly today, he’s God.

I never said that either. Think now, what did I say? I said that God spoke to his people (according to the OT). If you are not a Christian and do not believe in the Bible then of course this is all nonsense to you, just as your argumentation skills are nonsense to me.

You walked away from that point by saying that “it doesn’t matter both sides were involved in war.” My rebuttal was to remind you (as I do now) that your original point was to demean Christianity with your comment as there have been more wars and far more pain caused by non-Christians. At that point you wanted no more of it. Are you now ready to prove that Christians are responsible for more suffering than non-Christians through the ages? If not you are once again walking away from that particular piece of illogic.

You’ve not even begun to point out how, therefore you cannot continue to do so. This is one more error in logic on your part.

What are words? If you cannot use them effectively is it not my duty to point that out? You seem to be asking for a free pass as to how ineffectively you communicate. Now why would I do that? And furthermore if you are so very sure that Christianity is incorrect how can I trust you to prove this if you are incapable of carrying on a general conversation regarding religion? In short, you have to do better, much better for me to take you seriously.
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  1. No one made an “attack on Christianity”. Saying you do not believe is not an attack. That’s a strawman AND yet another distortion by you of what I wrote;
  2. My time will not be dedicated to arguing circles and semantics with you. When was the last time you took a position or made a point? You’re arguing MY words. When are we going to apply cold hard logic to your beliefs?;
  3. I’m not going back, but you clearly implied God was limited because you implied a limit on his ability to communicate. I can go back and cut and paste YOUR EXACT words;
  4. I didn’t walk away from the argument and I made no such statement “they were both in war”. I did no such thing and in fact, I REFINED the argument by stating we can judge a tree by its fruit;
  5. I don’t care where you agree with me. Ultimately we will never agree - that’s why you’re going in circles instead of making points;
  6. I’m not attempting to prove christianity incorrect, I merely stated MY belief. But I’ll be happy to bring logic to bear upon your beliefs whenever you are ready to have THAT discussion. You will not have that one though, because the white flag of faith will go up in the first page; and,
  7. I have zero interest in whether you take me seriously.
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[quote]Deorum wrote:

PS. Nobody is claiming divinity - the concept of divinity is dead.[/quote]

Sounds like somebody read a little Nietzsche and suddenly has all the answers. Also, dude, in all honesty, please work on your fucking grammar and sentence structure. Your shit is painful to read. Did you really equate measurements of distance (inches) with measurements of time (history, age) earlier? That’s a hypothetical question, by the way. You obviously did do exactly that and I’m sure you have no idea why it’s wrong because you are retarded and don’t understand sentence structure. How the fuck are you ever a unit of distance away from a measure of time? Oh fuck, looks like I’m thirty feet from 2 o’clock, better hurry up. All your attempts at making witty/educated commentary reveal that you are neither witty nor educated. Seriously, if you can’t even coherently type your ridiculous arguments you might need to reassess some things.[/quote]

And your ad hominems carry the day?[/quote]

Also, what’s with the avatar pic? Myspace is dead brah.[/quote]

It’s a simple pic of ME. Have you had a look at your pic brah? T-Nation certainly aint dead, but I’d be fucking embarrassed to post that unless of course you were participating in our figure athlete section. Carry on with correcting internet grammar papers brah. [/quote]

Nice. Pretty much how I figured a guy with that kind of picture would react. Swing and a miss.[/quote]

Why? Because you think 205 is hyooooge brah? OK. If you can believe in the fairy tales of religion, I guess you can also believe you’re hyooooge. It’s settled. [/quote]

Hey, dumbass. I’m not religious. Read the thread, clown.

edit: You seem to be the only one preoccupied with my size. Hell, I never even brought it up. Didn’t realize a bodyguard would get so irrationally defensive about his picture. At least mine shows why I’m on this site. All yours shows is that you need more sleep and less hair gel.[/quote]

More sleep yes. More size, not.

And hey dumbass “brah”, you’re the one preoccupied with my picture. It’s quite unnatural. Are you the type of pussy that hits someone and then runs to the teacher when you get hit back?

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Just looked at your hub. It was almost too good to be true. I said 205 and you’re actually 202. There is gold there. And since it is a BB site as you pointed out, maybe in the future you’ll refrain from making remarks about someone’s picture who outweighs you by 60lbs and can outlift you on my worst day. [/quote]

It certainly is fun to make up arguments. Like the one where I criticized your size. Cool, you weigh more than I do. And cool if you lift more too. Also cool how you used the “you believe in religion, you’ll believe anything” line when I’m not religious. I’ve been on the opposite side of Deorum this whole time not because I’m religious but because he’s an idiot. I’ve “sided” with the religious folks because they can type complete sentences and I’m fairly certain that they’re intelligent people who just happen to have a different outlook on life than I do: and they aren’t attacking me for it. I asked a sincere question of Zeb and Brotherchris and got sincere answers. That’s a worthwhile dialogue, regardless of whether or not I believe what they do. I’ll sure as hell disagree with them about a lot of other things (politics for one) but I can also take a step back to try and see things from their point of view and get a little perspective.