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JackZ-

Good point, the amount of oversight is incredible. Unfortunately 80% of it slanted to the liberal side of the scale.

I just finished Tommy Frank’s book. It is a good read. He made the war plan up. Bush asked him time and again…do you have everything you need. Got enough troops. Frank’s decided the strategy. I think he did a good job. Bush backed him. We have a good team in place.

Back to the point I tink OBL’s tape was a big backfire on his part. It sisn’t intimidate anyone and if anything made Bush appear as his arch enemy.

Hey Rangertab-keep the faith man! Your a breath of fresh air.

All the shit about losing this war…ask a warfighter how it is going you’ll get the straight unfiltered shit. Good and bad.

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I am very sorry I haven’t not been posting the pat 3 weeks or so. I have been working with the reelection campagin of Geroge Bush :). And I am just so proud to have done so.

And let me salute and thank all of you in our military, for volunteering to keep this great nation of ours free. There is not a day that goes by, that I do not send some prayers to God, to protect everyone in uniform. For you are the ones keeping us safe. Out of harm’s way. And protecting and defending America so we can remain free, and democratic. What is sad is how I wish all Americans saw it this way. Instead of putting down our troops, and talking about them negatively, we should praise them build them up inside. And thank them. There is a wonderful organization, that is out there where one can adopt a soldier overseas.Become their friend. Write to them. Send them baskets, or other gifts. And with so many of our soldiers overseas, esp away for the upcoming holidays. It would be so wonderful if all Americans, would get the true spirit of the holidays in them, and adopt one of these soldiers overseas… God Bless you all And a trillion thanks again…

Dick Morris I heard speak, at a Pro Bush Rally, said it best… "America you have 2 choices come 02 November, you can vote for either a Winston Churchill or a Neville Chamberlain. Which will you decide who will be the next President?

OSamma Bin Laden, is trying to influence our Presidental elections, tomm. And he is truly endorsing Kerry.
For if you litsened to the actual context of Bin Ladens’ speech, and John Kerry, you will see lots of similarities
to what they both are saying. For you have to remember too about these new terrorists. These are very well educated men. They have studied our politics. The two candidates, with a fine tooth comb. And Osamma Bin Laden, knows, who and what John Kerry is all about and stands for. He knows he is a pacificist. An appeaser. He will run to the UN, even if it be negotiate with the terrorists. He would give in to the terrorists.

George Bush has been going after Al Queda since 9/11. His money trails have been severely depleted… He has wiped out close to 3 quarters of his top staff. The Taliban has been kicked out of Afghanistan. His training camps, destroyed. All of Al Queda is being hunted down. His networks across the world, have been severely curtailed, and crippled. The flow of information destroyed. For George Bush is resolved to fight, destroy, and totally wipe Al Queda, and the terrorists. And do nothing to stop them. If any of you had gone to one of his rallies, and here him speak on the War on Terror. He is like Winston Churchill. Thats how powerful that message is. You see it in his eyes.
Its like he said in the Rally I was at, this huge construction worker, on 14 Sep, came up to him. and hugged him and said to him, “Don’t let me down.”
And he hears those words each and everyday.

Now John Kerry… Neville Chamberlain,all over again. He still has no plan of action. He is an appeaser. Go to the UN. He will go after the terorists as Clinton did as a police force. His Senatorial reocrd on intelligence, on defense, speaks for itself. He will even go as so far and negotiate with the terrorists. He has no conviction. His view of he military, well… a very sad one. More and more is coming out about his Vietnam dyas. His discharge, and what he said about the troops. And finally, he constantly wants to turn back the clock to America 9/10/2001…And think that 9/11 never happened. Why right after the tape, was brought out/ What did Kerry do. Conduct a poll! TO see what the American people should say heis view on the tape should be.

So which will it be America? A Neville Chamberlain, or Winston Churchill? And GOD FORBID and HELP US if the country says we want a Neville Chamberlain. For you will see the one who will be rejoicing will be the terorists. For without killing a single American on their soil, or committing a terroistic act, Osamma Bin Laden, would of influenced our elections, without firing a shot. This will embolden him more. And make him more out to be a god-like figure. More will want to follow him. FOr it will send the terorists and the Axis of Evil a message. America is weak. Cannot stand on her own two feet. Or take charge, or committed to fighting the war on terror. Just like Neville Chamerlain waving that paper to the press saying, I have here a signiture of Hitler. Just think of Kerry waving the paper I have here a signiture of the Leader of North Korea. I have here a signiture of the leader of Iran. I have a signiture here of Osamma Bin Laden. I just shudder thinking of it…
Let us HOPE AND PRAY America makes the right choice tommorow, and votes Geroge Bush back in office. And sends the message to these terrosits. you WILL not influence our elections, or we will NEVER bow down to you. Or kiss your feet.

May God Bless America… And remember to please vote with what your conscience tells you to do.

CHUCSKmanJoe

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I’m not sure the people on here using the word appeasement really know what it means.

It’s thrown around all the time and everyone runs from it like the plague.

I’m curious, what do you conservatives believe Kerry will give the terrorists? What appeasement will be offered in exchange for peace? What do you consider appeasement?

Also, to those of you claiming Islam is simply evil and needs to be wiped out, do you understand how many people in the world are Islamic? Do you realize how many people in the US are Islamic? Do you realize you have freedom of religion in your country?

Can you imagine the scope of the conflict if the west were to declare war on this religion. Is this some agenda of the radical right, to create a new religious crusade of global scope?

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Damn - I’ve skipped over this thread for the last couple of days because I thought it would be boring. WRONG MISTER!!

ProfX getting on here thinking he has the stones to call Ranger out?

Dude - you are out of your league. Being a medical supply specialist, or whatever you fashion yourself to be does not give you the right to get on here and besmirch the intelligence of a VERY highly respected member of this forum.

Not that Ranger needs anyone - least of all me - taking up for him. You just make yourself look like an idiot - all be it a huge freaking idiot.

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A very good question vroom!!

Now in these past three weeks, I have heard both Democrats and Republicans speak. And heard George Bush, and John Kerry speak. (At the Kerry rally was all hush hush, did not say a word). And with John Kerry, you don’t know his plan. But it is what he says. At the rally he said the following, “I will fight a more just War. I will fight a a more peaceful War. I will go to the UN. I will go to our Allies, the French, the Germans…”

Also see what he said and did after the Vietnam War. As well as intensify the movement to end the Vietnam War. ALso his 20 year Senatorial Record.

For this is why Bin Laden said exactly what he did. Same went with that American Al Queda terrorist. This is why those who endorsed Kerry did so, form the Axis of Evil, France, and Germany. For hearing him say those words I will go through the proper channels, go to the UN. Get our ALlies advice on everything. Is exactly what they terrorsits and most of Olde Europe want to hear. For France and Gernamy do not want to loose their power. And the US coming to us for adivce wow. We are still powers to be recokoned with.

For this same talk is exactly what happened when Adlof Hitler first came to power.

March 13, 1938
Anschluss - Germany annexes Austria

Sept. 28-29, 1938
At Munich Conference Germany given portion of Czechoslovakia

March 1939
Hitler had taken over all of Czechoslovakia

And why was Germany allowed to take over both Austria and Czechoslovakia without a fight? The simple reason is that Great Britain and France did not want to repeat the bloodshed of World War I. They believed, wrongly as it turned out, they could avoid another world war by appeasing Hitler with a few concessions (such as Austria and Czechoslovakia). So they gave into Hitler. Gave him what they wanted.

Now you look at this War on Terror. Read very very closely the words of the American Al Queda terrorist, and Osamma Bin Laden. What is the goal of a terorist? Strike fear in the US people. What would it be if Kerry went made a deal with Iran, North Korea, Osamma Bin Laden, Aarafat?
No more bloodshed Peace in the world! No more wars… They will stop the killings, the terror attacks. Americans you no longer have to fear anymore. Just like Neville Chamberlain did. Hoping that this will satisfy Hitler. And just by what Kerry is saying, is what makes one believe he is an appeaser. Or many refer to him as the second Neville Chamberlain.

ChucksmanJoe

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Damn - I’ve skipped over this thread for the last couple of days because I thought it would be boring. WRONG MISTER!!

ProfX getting on here thinking he has the stones to call Ranger out?

Dude - you are out of your league. Being a medical supply specialist, or whatever you fashion yourself to be does not give you the right to get on here and besmirch the intelligence of a VERY highly respected member of this forum.

Not that Ranger needs anyone - least of all me - taking up for him. You just make yourself look like an idiot - all be it a huge freaking idiot.[/quote]

Actually, the title is “doctor”, not medical specialist or whatever else you came up with. If you look back, I didn’t call him out, he called me out. As far as him being a respected member, that is an opinion and I know for a fact that I have been on this forum just as long as he has if not longer. That makes pulling the “rank card” a wasted attempt. I didn’t “besmirch” the intelligence of anyone. I responded much more tamely to anything he threw at me than he did in return, yet you call me out on it? I have already written about my respect for anyone on the front lines. I have already mentioned that we all SHARE this responsibility the moment we take that oath. If we ever met face to face, I would be more apt to call him “brother” than call him out simply because he is a soldier. I am not out of my league. I write what I believe and if anyone has a problem with that, they have that right to hold that opinion in this country in part because of the efforts that other men have laid their lives down for. However, the moment they lack respect in how they respond to me, the moment they open themselves up for criticism. I have never degraded someone personally simply because they hold a different political opinion than me.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Actually, the title is “doctor”, not medical specialist or whatever else you came up with. If you look back, I didn’t call him out, he called me out.[/quote]
Actually, you’re right about that. Rangertab has a habit of being a little blunt. Gung ho anyone? :slight_smile:

But I’m afraid I’m gonna have to bust you on this one, bro. Earlier in this thread, do you remember saying this? –

So we’re all retarded now? Well it’s a good thing we have you to explain things to us, doc.

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[quote]lothario1132 wrote:

So we’re all retarded now? Well it’s a good thing we have you to explain things to us, doc. [/quote]

I wrote that the act of thinking that Bin Laden being alive makes Bush look good is simply retarded. I didn’t call anyone by name and I still hold that opinion. That is not the same as calling me, PERSONALLY, a “little shit” simply because I don’t hold the same views as you. Through this entire thread, that was the best you could do? So any negative remark at all by anyone not voting republican is seen as an attack on you personally? All while ignoring any attack by someone sharing your own beliefs? This is America, right? Yes, the act of doing that is also simply retarded.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
I wrote that the act of thinking that Bin Laden being alive makes Bush look good is simply retarded. I didn’t call anyone by name and I still hold that opinion. That is not the same as calling me, PERSONALLY, a “little shit” simply because I don’t hold the same views as you. Through this entire thread, that was the best you could do? So any negative remark at all by anyone not voting republican is seen as an attack on you personally? All while ignoring any attack by someone sharing your own beliefs? This is America, right? Yes, the act of doing that is also simply retarded.[/quote]
Hey, don’t get all huffy with me doc, you’re the one who said it, not me. When you said that you never besmirch anyone’s intelligence and in the same thread also have referred to folks as retards (for whatever reason), well, do the math. I agree with you in that you didn’t single anybody out, but that’s a little like splitting hairs, don’t you think? Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think you’re “venomous” or anything… far from it, if we compare you to other folks in this forum. I’m just pointing out that you’re wrong… that’s all.

P.S. I’m not a republican. And yes, that was the best I could do, and I think it was plenty. I’m not in this to impress anybody.

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[quote]lothario1132 wrote:
I’m not in this to impress anybody.[/quote]

Don’t worry, you didn’t. Since you can’t even say that I was directing that to any individual, you lose your point. I can say voter intimidation is simply retarded, dumb as fuck, or full of shit and it won’t stop many republicans from attempting it at the polls in the name of “stopping voter fraud”. Uh oh, looks like you have a new cause to bitch about, loth.

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Prof,

The people around here are very bad at seperating an attack on their Hero or on their Beliefs from an attack on themselves… sort of retarded isn’t it?
:wink:

Chucky,

I see you have claimed that perhaps Kerry would be able to forge a peace with the terrorists? So, describe the part about appeasement again? Are you suggesting Kerry will give them new lands or something they don’t already have?

You sort of brushed over the concept of how what Kerry would like to do equates to ceding land to Germany. I’m sure everyone would like to understand just what appeasement is on the table here.

Isn’t accomplishing our own goals without having to use military might actually an appropriate goal? Are you calling Kerry a pussy and suggesting he would not have the fortitude to commit troops to a conflict?

All,

Hot damn! It’s election time! It’s going to be a night of watching the polls come in… I hope they get it right this year if they are making predictions.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
I’m not sure the people on here using the word appeasement really know what it means.

It’s thrown around all the time and everyone runs from it like the plague.

I’m curious, what do you conservatives believe Kerry will give the terrorists? What appeasement will be offered in exchange for peace? What do you consider appeasement?

Also, to those of you claiming Islam is simply evil and needs to be wiped out, do you understand how many people in the world are Islamic? Do you realize how many people in the US are Islamic? Do you realize you have freedom of religion in your country?

Can you imagine the scope of the conflict if the west were to declare war on this religion. Is this some agenda of the radical right, to create a new religious crusade of global scope?[/quote]

Yes vroom that’s what it is, you guessed it (pounding the table and laughing). You are one very funny man…Oh wait, you are joking right?..Oh my.

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Chuck

Where you been? Thanks for chiming in. I think you made some excellent points.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

…I can say voter intimation is simply retarded, dumb as fuck, or full of shit and it won’t stop many republicans from attempting it at the polls in the name of “stopping voter fraud”. Uh oh, looks like you have a new cause to bitch about, loth.[/quote]

Actually voter intimidation is the excuse to support voter fraud from the Left.

When people actually say that something as simple as showing an id to prove you are who you are is voter intimidation, they have to be full of crap.

Voter fraud is a big problem, and must be stopped. If people are actually intimidating voters, then they should get into trouble. This would be unlikely if there are both Democrats and Republicans working together, and keeping an eye on each other at each location.

It is laughable to call stopping voter fraud voter intimidation. I would think Democrats would want to work with Republicans to stop voter fraud, not promote it.

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Vroom,

“I’m not sure the people on here using the word appeasement really know what it means.”

I think most of us do.

“I’m curious, what do you conservatives believe Kerry will give the terrorists? What appeasement will be offered in exchange for peace? What do you consider appeasement?”

I predict a Kerry presidency would be one of ‘we can live with it’ and ‘if we make them happay enough, maybe they will leave us alone’. I don’t believe Kerry is a finisher, a closer.

“Also, to those of you claiming Islam is simply evil and needs to be wiped out”

Who said this?

“Can you imagine the scope of the conflict if the west were to declare war on this religion. Is this some agenda of the radical right, to create a new religious crusade of global scope?”

Well, you hope it is. It’s not. No one has or will declare war on Islam. That’s fundamentally wrong. To suggest that it is a serious consideration is irresponsible.

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Professor X -

Look, maybe we got off on the wrong foot. But most of what I’ve said in this thread is based on personal experience and actual FACT. I’m not talking about what you hear on CNN or Fox news. What I tell y’all here is the culmination of quite a long time in the field; long patrols, losing buddies, and nearly dying myself. Believe me, when you’re in those conditions, you begin to think really deeply. And from what I’ve experienced on my own behalf, as well as sharing experiences with buddies, we’ve come to the conclusion that this war is a just one. Fuck what the liberal propaganda machine spits out. I’ve seen the faces of those Iraqis and how happy they were that we were there. I’ve thrown MRE’s to starving children and was thrilled to get a smile and a wave in return, and yes I have killed others too. Not a day goes by that I don’t think about what I’ve done, however I am not ashamed that I did it. They were doing their job and we were doing ours; we just did our job better than them. It’s just war…humankind’s favorite pasttime. I honestly hope to God above that none of y’all ever have to do that. I’m not in this for political gain and quite frankly, I couldn’t give a fuck who you vote for. I just hope that your decision is guided by rational motives rather than contempt. This is not an apology by any means. Sometimes as stated before, I can be a little brash and come off offensive, but I really hate to beat around the bush, so I ask that you do not take the offensive remarks that I may make to heart. For every offensive remark that I make, there are 10 positive ones. Anyhoo, it’s election day!! Quite some suspense, huh? Gonna be interesting… RLTW

rangertab75

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[quote]rangertab75 wrote:
Professor X -
Fuck what the liberal propaganda machine spits out. I’ve seen the faces of those Iraqis and how happy they were that we were there. I’ve thrown MRE’s to starving children and was thrilled to get a smile and a wave in return, and yes I have killed others too. [/quote]

I don’t want you to think that I have never been in the field or dealt with other countries. I have been to South America and met the same smiles from the children and adults because we were simply there to help them out. I am amazed at the conditions that some others in the world live in from day to day. When I returned home, I realized that I even took hard wood floors for granted. It is a given that there are people there who love us stepping in…just like there were many in Viet Nam who rushed the troops for candy or any left overs (My dad has stories for days). That didn’t mean that we belonged in Viet Nam. Many of the same parallels can be drawn in this. Don’t think that no one else has a valid point simply because they don’t agree with you. My views are also coming from life experience. It is that DIFFERENCE in knowledge and experience that makes us working together a greater force than an entire country divided.

To general readers:
I was watching Fox news last night as some pro-republican woman stated that “voting for Kerry is agreeing with the french and the terrorists”. I see that same blind bashing of everyone “else” on this board by many who consider themselves “conervative”. Hell, your post was a prime example of how they think. Not one person who was republican came down on you for making the comments you did yet I was singled out for saying an act was “simply retarded”. That was the best they could do. If you all don’t see a problem with that, I suggest you open your eyes a little more.

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[quote]The Mage wrote:
Professor X wrote:

…I can say voter intimation is simply retarded, dumb as fuck, or full of shit and it won’t stop many republicans from attempting it at the polls in the name of “stopping voter fraud”. Uh oh, looks like you have a new cause to bitch about, loth.

Actually voter intimidation is the excuse to support voter fraud from the Left.

When people actually say that something as simple as showing an id to prove you are who you are is voter intimidation, they have to be full of crap.

Voter fraud is a big problem, and must be stopped. If people are actually intimidating voters, then they should get into trouble. This would be unlikely if there are both Democrats and Republicans working together, and keeping an eye on each other at each location.

It is laughable to call stopping voter fraud voter intimidation. I would think Democrats would want to work with Republicans to stop voter fraud, not promote it.
[/quote]

The problems with the last election were not based in “voter fraud”. They were based in the miscounting of thousands of votes. I hope that republicans are focusing just as many efforts in communities that are mostly republican. As can be seen on the news, this is not the case.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
lothario1132 wrote:

So we’re all retarded now? Well it’s a good thing we have you to explain things to us, doc.

I wrote that the act of thinking that Bin Laden being alive makes Bush look good is simply retarded. I didn’t call anyone by name and I still hold that opinion. That is not the same as calling me, PERSONALLY, a “little shit” simply because I don’t hold the same views as you. Through this entire thread, that was the best you could do? So any negative remark at all by anyone not voting republican is seen as an attack on you personally? All while ignoring any attack by someone sharing your own beliefs? This is America, right? Yes, the act of doing that is also simply retarded.[/quote]

That’s it! I’m tellin’ Mom!

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[quote]rangertab75 wrote:
Professor X -

Look, maybe we got off on the wrong foot. But most of what I’ve said in this thread is based on personal experience and actual FACT. I’m not talking about what you hear on CNN or Fox news. What I tell y’all here is the culmination of quite a long time in the field; long patrols, losing buddies, and nearly dying myself. Believe me, when you’re in those conditions, you begin to think really deeply. And from what I’ve experienced on my own behalf, as well as sharing experiences with buddies, we’ve come to the conclusion that this war is a just one. Fuck what the liberal propaganda machine spits out. I’ve seen the faces of those Iraqis and how happy they were that we were there. I’ve thrown MRE’s to starving children and was thrilled to get a smile and a wave in return, and yes I have killed others too. Not a day goes by that I don’t think about what I’ve done, however I am not ashamed that I did it. They were doing their job and we were doing ours; we just did our job better than them. It’s just war…humankind’s favorite pasttime. I honestly hope to God above that none of y’all ever have to do that. I’m not in this for political gain and quite frankly, I couldn’t give a fuck who you vote for. I just hope that your decision is guided by rational motives rather than contempt. This is not an apology by any means. Sometimes as stated before, I can be a little brash and come off offensive, but I really hate to beat around the bush, so I ask that you do not take the offensive remarks that I may make to heart. For every offensive remark that I make, there are 10 positive ones. Anyhoo, it’s election day!! Quite some suspense, huh? Gonna be interesting… RLTW

rangertab75 [/quote]

You keep on keepin’ on brotha! It’s not just your opinion. The fact is, 82% of military forces do not want John Kerry to be president, and he feels that this is the wrong war. I disagree, this IS a just war, and I’m proud to have the opportunities that our military provides us.

Thank you.