[quote]Professor X wrote:
tedro wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I’m sorry, but what do you think was in George Washington’s snuff box?
I’m not completely sure what you are referencing, but I will acknowledge that George Washington was a cultivator of marijuana. Whether or not he smoked it is debatable, but a logical conclusion. However, pot wasn’t made illegal until 1937, so while I am not excusing his drug use, he did not break any laws.
You don’t know how rampant Cocaine used to be. [/quote]
Cocaine wasn’t isolated from the leaf until sometime in the mid 19th century, so I seriously doubt he had any knowledge of the leaf at all. He may have learned of it when he went to the Caribbean, but I don’t think the plants would even grow in Virginia.
If he did snuff cannabis, it was probably for all his aches and pains — he had a lot.
That came off as a dick statement, what I meant was, do you think he helps or hurts the effort for equality for black people, I don’t like or respect him very much, and I think he hurts race relations.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Professor X wrote:
tedro wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I’m sorry, but what do you think was in George Washington’s snuff box?
I’m not completely sure what you are referencing, but I will acknowledge that George Washington was a cultivator of marijuana. Whether or not he smoked it is debatable, but a logical conclusion. However, pot wasn’t made illegal until 1937, so while I am not excusing his drug use, he did not break any laws.
You don’t know how rampant Cocaine used to be.
Cocaine wasn’t isolated from the leaf until sometime in the mid 19th century, so I seriously doubt he had any knowledge of the leaf at all. He may have learned of it when he went to the Caribbean, but I don’t think the plants would even grow in Virginia.
If he did snuff cannabis, it was probably for all his aches and pains — he had a lot.
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You may be right. I will research it to find out. I personally don’t find this as hard to believe as some of you do. How rare do you think opium was?
Winston Churchill was a raging alcoholic and apparently had an opium phase yet he’s popularly considered to have been a great leader.
I seriously doubt Washington was into coca- or had heard of it- and I believe opium use didn’t take off for another few decades, though it was definitely around at the time. That said, I think it would be naive to assume we haven’t had many presidents with histories of drug use and/or abuse.
I’d trust a presidential candidate less if they were from a baby-boomer or later generation and hadn’t tried anything at any point. It suggests to me a certain sort of totalitarian mindset among other things. That said, I’d also be leery of any candidate with a history of serious abuse/addiction.
Headhunter while it is unlikely that they grew coca in Virginia they did have a way of getting it from South America. What they used was a thing called a ship. They have been using ships for thousands of years to transport all kinds of things around the world.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
dk44 wrote:
Off topic but, Prof X what is your stance on Al Sharpton? I hate him.
I ignore him. I honestly don’t pay enough attention to him to have any strong feelings such as “like” or “dislike”. I simply don’t care.
The only time I usually hear about the man is when white people are acting as if he speaks for the rest of us.[/quote]
Maybe if he wasn’t portrayed as if he does speak for “the rest of you” he would not be thought of as a black spokesperson.
I don’t like blacks thinking that the toothless bastard that got his double wide blown away is in any way speaking 'for the rest of us". But he’s the only motherfucker that makes the news.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
Headhunter while it is unlikely that they grew coca in Virginia they did have a way of getting it from South America. What they used was a thing called a ship. They have been using ships for thousands of years to transport all kinds of things around the world.
The Spaniards eventually learned that giving coca leaves to native workers enabled them to force the workers to do enormous amounts of work in the gold and silver mines that were located in high altitudes. For the next two hundred years, although some coca plants were taken back to Europe, they were not popular or well-known since they did not travel well and were useless if dried out.
[quote]tedro wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Headhunter while it is unlikely that they grew coca in Virginia they did have a way of getting it from South America. What they used was a thing called a ship. They have been using ships for thousands of years to transport all kinds of things around the world.
Except that they were unable to transport it.
The Spaniards eventually learned that giving coca leaves to native workers enabled them to force the workers to do enormous amounts of work in the gold and silver mines that were located in high altitudes. For the next two hundred years, although some coca plants were taken back to Europe, they were not popular or well-known since they did not travel well and were useless if dried out.
Cocaine didn’t become popular in North America until the end of the 19th century, after it was isolated.[/quote]
There is a difference between being unable to transport it…and it being DIFFICULT to transport. Obviously if some was reaching Europe, some could reach North America.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Professor X wrote:
dk44 wrote:
Off topic but, Prof X what is your stance on Al Sharpton? I hate him.
I ignore him. I honestly don’t pay enough attention to him to have any strong feelings such as “like” or “dislike”. I simply don’t care.
The only time I usually hear about the man is when white people are acting as if he speaks for the rest of us.
Maybe if he wasn’t portrayed as if he does speak for “the rest of you” he would not be thought of as a black spokesperson.
I don’t like blacks thinking that the toothless bastard that got his double wide blown away is in any way speaking 'for the rest of us". But he’s the only motherfucker that makes the news.
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Excuse me, but WHO is portraying him this way? If I can live my life barely hearing about the man or thinking of him, why do some of you act like his power is so great that you can’t escape?
You think this because he makes the news? So does info that roid rage is a great threat to America. It is funny what you all choose to believe as fact and what you all discard immediately as false information.
I don’t even know any black people who would claim this man is our spokesman which means you are just jumping to conclusions.
Does this say more about him, us, or you?
I don’t even know Sharpton’s stance on most issues.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Professor X wrote:
tedro wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I’m sorry, but what do you think was in George Washington’s snuff box?
I’m not completely sure what you are referencing, but I will acknowledge that George Washington was a cultivator of marijuana. Whether or not he smoked it is debatable, but a logical conclusion. However, pot wasn’t made illegal until 1937, so while I am not excusing his drug use, he did not break any laws.
You don’t know how rampant Cocaine used to be.
Cocaine wasn’t isolated from the leaf until sometime in the mid 19th century, so I seriously doubt he had any knowledge of the leaf at all. He may have learned of it when he went to the Caribbean, but I don’t think the plants would even grow in Virginia.
If he did snuff cannabis, it was probably for all his aches and pains — he had a lot.
You may be right. I will research it to find out. I personally don’t find this as hard to believe as some of you do. How rare do you think opium was?[/quote]
Opium was imported into the United States. I suppose its possible that Washington smoked opium but he didn’t display any symptoms of opiate abuse.
Being a farmer, he probably was exposed to marijuana as the plant grows everywhere. Heck, it used to be a common weed growing by the side of the road.
For the real scoop on pot, watch the old classic ‘Reefer Madness’. ;D
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Excuse me, but WHO is portraying him this way? If I can live my life barely hearing about the man or thinking of him, why do some of you act like his power is so great that you can’t escape?[/quote]
I never said he had power. I said he is portrayed as a black leader. Personally, I could give a shit what he does. But the fact remains he gets a bunch of face time.
Fact? Please. He doesn’t even make news. He finds the cameras, and the press gives him time.
I’m jumping to conclusions? Hardly. He’s on the news more than any other black guy I know except for maybe Cosby - but he’s in re runs. Why do you think the press wants him on the news? Why do you think he wants to be on the news? Perception. And it works. I don’t even like the sorry sack of shit, but here I am in a discussion about him.
Whether you see what is happening or not doesn’t really change the reality that someone - and according to you it is not the black population - has put this dipshit up on a pedestal.
[quote]Does this say more about him, us, or you?
I don’t even know Sharpton’s stance on most issues.[/quote]
Couldn’t say. I’d guess him. As I know no one that has an active interest in anything the guy says. You have no interest. So how does he keep popping up?
[quote]Sifu wrote:
Headhunter while it is unlikely that they grew coca in Virginia they did have a way of getting it from South America. What they used was a thing called a ship. They have been using ships for thousands of years to transport all kinds of things around the world.
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Cocaine
History of Cocaine
The active ingredient (an alkaloid) from the coca plant (erythroxylum) was first isolated by a chemist named Albert Niemann. In 1860 he gave the compound the name cocaine.
The drug induces a sense of exhilaration in the user primarily by blocking the reuptake of the neurotransmitter dopamine in the midbrain.
Soon after it was first synthesized, cocaine was available almost everywhere. Sometimes available in powder form, it was also mixed with various other products like wine and cigarettes. Doctors dispensed cocaine as an antidote to morphine addiction. Unfortunately, some patients made a habit of combining them."
The active ingredient in the leaf degrades over time, which is why Niemann isolated and extracted it. By the time any coca leafs had been harvested, packed, and shipped to rural Virginia, I doubt that much of the drug would be in the leaf.
Why bother with that anyway, when marijuana was everywhere? It was a literal weed — hence the name.
Couldn’t say. I’d guess him. As I know no one that has an active interest in anything the guy says. You have no interest. So how does he keep popping up? [/quote]
The thing is, you and others actually seem to express HATRED for the man. I personally haven’t wasted any emotional energy at all on him aside from this conversation…so what the hell has you or anyone else HATING him? I could personally name at least 5 or 6 other camera hogs that are seen even more yet don’t have this type of emotion attached to the thought of them.
Couldn’t say. I’d guess him. As I know no one that has an active interest in anything the guy says. You have no interest. So how does he keep popping up?
The thing is, you and others actually seem to express HATRED for the man. I personally haven’t wasted any emotional energy at all on him aside from this conversation…so what the hell has you or anyone else HATING him? I could personally name at least 5 or 6 other camera hogs that are seen even more yet don’t have this type of emotion attached to the thought of them.
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That would be your perception, and you would be wrong. The subject at hand wasn’t the 5 or 6 others. Sharpton’s name was brought up, and discussion ensued.
Hatred would be what I have for Bud Selig, George Mitchell, Arlen Specter, and the rest of the assholes in DC that are trying to ruin professional sports.
See the difference? Don’t make the mistake of thinking a discussion about someone in the fucking political forum means I give a shit.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Professor X wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Couldn’t say. I’d guess him. As I know no one that has an active interest in anything the guy says. You have no interest. So how does he keep popping up?
The thing is, you and others actually seem to express HATRED for the man. I personally haven’t wasted any emotional energy at all on him aside from this conversation…so what the hell has you or anyone else HATING him? I could personally name at least 5 or 6 other camera hogs that are seen even more yet don’t have this type of emotion attached to the thought of them.
That would be your perception, and you would be wrong. The subject at hand wasn’t the 5 or 6 others. Sharpton’s name was brought up, and discussion ensued.
Hatred would be what I have for Bud Selig, George Mitchell, Arlen Specter, and the rest of the assholes in DC that are trying to ruin professional sports.
See the difference? Don’t make the mistake of thinking a discussion about someone in the fucking political forum means I give a shit. [/quote]
It isn’t that you give a shit. It is more that I read so often on this forum about Sharpton…and I still don’t know what the hell he is supposedly saying or doing that is causing so much of a problem.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
tedro wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I’m sorry, but what do you think was in George Washington’s snuff box?
I’m not completely sure what you are referencing, but I will acknowledge that George Washington was a cultivator of marijuana. Whether or not he smoked it is debatable, but a logical conclusion. However, pot wasn’t made illegal until 1937, so while I am not excusing his drug use, he did not break any laws.
You don’t know how rampant Cocaine used to be. Regardless of what is illegal at any date in time in history, if your morals or values haven’t changed, then it should be considered wrong for whatever health reasons you believe people today should not use it.
If your stance on right and wrong is only based on what is legal or illegal RIGHT NOW, you aren’t someone I would put much trust in.
In the case of Obama, someone would need proof of something for me to even consider it with any seriousness. Along with that, my judgment would be based on if they are being negatively influenced now or at risk of being in the future in office. It would not be based on whether the drug was ever taken or not.
Hear say is nothing.[/quote]
Washington used to take laudanum for his dental issues, which is an alcoholic tincture of opium. This mixture contained 10 milligrams of morphine per milliliter. Translation, Washington was fucked up most of the time.
I say let the president get fucked up. What is so virtuous about sobriety anyway?
The soberest nations in the world are also the most violent.
[quote]pookie wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I don’t even know Sharpton’s stance on most issues.
It’s not really a stance as much as a “How do I get the spotlight/airtime/sound bites/photo-ops/sitcom cameos” approach.
Sharpton wants to be seen. Doesn’t really matter what the issue is.
Hollywood has Paris Hilton. Washington has Sharpton.
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I was thinking the same thing but you beat me to it.
And as for all the attention he has been getting lately, it is black history month. I guess that would be one reason he’s on TV more than usual lately.