Obama's Other Spirtual Mentor

[Inner_Hulk]

[quote]SinisterMinister wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
Everyone seems to be forgetting who we currently have in the White House, who is Satan incarnate and his hell spawn minions.

I’d elect a fucking Leprechaun right now.

The feeling’s mutual.

So I have a question for you guys. Do you genuinely feel in your heart of hearts that:

Bush is truly EVIL – that he is a corrupt man, conspiratorial and power-hungry, that he bears ill will and mal intent towards his own countrymen and/or others

OR

He is simply incompetent and over his head.

I happen to believe the latter, but I live in a city that prints pictures of him with a Hitler mustache on the sidewalks.

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I believe Bush is truly evil. He may be stupid as hell, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t know what he’s involved in. A criminal is a criminal, despite whether he’s incompetent or not.

[kroby]

[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:
Everyone seems to be forgetting who we currently have in the White House, who is Satan incarnate and his hell spawn minions.

I’d elect a fucking Leprechaun right now.[/quote]

It depends on who that leprechaun is fucking.

[will_to_power]

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
This whole issue is stupid, a way to avoid talking about substance while we break someone down for his friends. That being the case, and I’ve posted on this before, why is Obama getting excoriated for this when McCain gets a free pass on speeches at Liberty University and sucking up to Hagee? What Hagee’s said about Catholics is far worse than any of Wright’s bigotry, and McCain ACTIVELY SOUGHT his endorsement. Unless you seriously believe Wright reveals that Obama has some closet hatred of white people (which A) seems like a stretch, and B) is not gonna hurt any of us white people much were he in office - we control every other meaningful organ of government and society), how is McCain’s case not worse?

And, the usual disclaimer before attacks from retards like Mick28 ensue: I won’t be voting for Obama, and I doubt I’ll be voting for McCain, but still a chance of that.

This has already been covered. McCain doesn’t claim Hagee as a spiritual mentor. McCain’s ties with those assholes are far looser than Obama’s ties to his assholes.

It has also already been covered that I can go to my preacher with personal matters without sharing all of his beliefs.

Why ignore that?

When you consider him a spiritual mentor, use his sermons for the title of your book it becomes harder to distance yourself from his beliefs, in fact it makes one hypocritical when one acts like Obama in this case.

The only reason you put so much stock there is because you are looking for something to disagree with regardless.

It is clear to me that the more “exotic” beliefs of this preacher were not being taught every Sunday. If they were, there would be no end to the proof on the matter. They have had to go searching for this information which I am sure many members of his own church may not have been aware of.

Oh I see…so Preacher Smith can say the “N” word 7 or 8 times from the Pulpit, but as long as he doesn’t say it every Sunday he’s not a racist.

RIGHT?

Ha ha…you’re pathetic.

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It certainly doesn’t make his congregation racists.

[SinisterMinister]

[quote]will to power wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
This whole issue is stupid, a way to avoid talking about substance while we break someone down for his friends. That being the case, and I’ve posted on this before, why is Obama getting excoriated for this when McCain gets a free pass on speeches at Liberty University and sucking up to Hagee? What Hagee’s said about Catholics is far worse than any of Wright’s bigotry, and McCain ACTIVELY SOUGHT his endorsement. Unless you seriously believe Wright reveals that Obama has some closet hatred of white people (which A) seems like a stretch, and B) is not gonna hurt any of us white people much were he in office - we control every other meaningful organ of government and society), how is McCain’s case not worse?

And, the usual disclaimer before attacks from retards like Mick28 ensue: I won’t be voting for Obama, and I doubt I’ll be voting for McCain, but still a chance of that.

This has already been covered. McCain doesn’t claim Hagee as a spiritual mentor. McCain’s ties with those assholes are far looser than Obama’s ties to his assholes.

It has also already been covered that I can go to my preacher with personal matters without sharing all of his beliefs.

Why ignore that?

When you consider him a spiritual mentor, use his sermons for the title of your book it becomes harder to distance yourself from his beliefs, in fact it makes one hypocritical when one acts like Obama in this case.

The only reason you put so much stock there is because you are looking for something to disagree with regardless.

It is clear to me that the more “exotic” beliefs of this preacher were not being taught every Sunday. If they were, there would be no end to the proof on the matter. They have had to go searching for this information which I am sure many members of his own church may not have been aware of.

Oh I see…so Preacher Smith can say the “N” word 7 or 8 times from the Pulpit, but as long as he doesn’t say it every Sunday he’s not a racist.

RIGHT?

Ha ha…you’re pathetic.

It certainly doesn’t make his congregation racists.[/quote]

Like it or not, we are defined by the company we keep – you, me, Obama, McCain, everybody. Once again, I’ll defer to Thomas Sowell, who is much better than I at communicating on this point:

"Some are saying that Senator Obama cannot be held responsible for what his pastor, Jeremiah Wright, said. In their version of events, Barack Obama just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time �?? and a bunch of mean-spirited people are trying to make something out of it.

It makes a good story, but it won’t stand up under scrutiny.

Barack Obama’s own account of his life shows that he consciously sought out people on the far left fringe. In college, “I chose my friends carefully,” he said in his first book, “Dreams From My Father.”

These friends included “Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk rock performance poets” �?? in Obama’s own words �?? as well as the “more politically active black students.” He later visited a former member of the terrorist Weatherman underground, who endorsed him when he ran for state senator.

Obama didn’t just happen to encounter Jeremiah Wright, who just happened to say some way out things. Jeremiah Wright is in the same mold as the kinds of people Barack Obama began seeking out in college �?? members of the left, anti-American counter-culture.

In Shelby Steele’s brilliantly insightful book about Barack Obama �?? “A Bound Man” �?? it is painfully clear that Obama was one of those people seeking a racial identity that he had never really experienced in growing up in a white world. He was trying to become a convert to blackness, as it were �?? and, like many converts, he went overboard.

Nor has Obama changed in recent years. His voting record in the U.S. Senate is the furthest left of any Senator. There is a remarkable consistency in what Barack Obama has done over the years, despite inconsistencies in what he says."

Full Column: http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell032608.php3

[Headhunter]

I can see why governments around the world want to regulate the Internet. This information exposing all their corruption and evil must make them squirm…I love it!!

[will_to_power]

[quote]SinisterMinister wrote:
will to power wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
Oh I see…so Preacher Smith can say the “N” word 7 or 8 times from the Pulpit, but as long as he doesn’t say it every Sunday he’s not a racist.

RIGHT?

Ha ha…you’re pathetic.

It certainly doesn’t make his congregation racists.

Like it or not, we are defined by the company we keep – you, me, Obama, McCain, everybody. Once again, I’ll defer to Thomas Sowell, who is much better than I at communicating on this point:

"Some are saying that Senator Obama cannot be held responsible for what his pastor, Jeremiah Wright, said. In their version of events, Barack Obama just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time �?? and a bunch of mean-spirited people are trying to make something out of it.

It makes a good story, but it won’t stand up under scrutiny.

Barack Obama’s own account of his life shows that he consciously sought out people on the far left fringe. In college, “I chose my friends carefully,” he said in his first book, “Dreams From My Father.”

These friends included “Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk rock performance poets” �?? in Obama’s own words �?? as well as the “more politically active black students.” He later visited a former member of the terrorist Weatherman underground, who endorsed him when he ran for state senator.

Obama didn’t just happen to encounter Jeremiah Wright, who just happened to say some way out things. Jeremiah Wright is in the same mold as the kinds of people Barack Obama began seeking out in college �?? members of the left, anti-American counter-culture.

In Shelby Steele’s brilliantly insightful book about Barack Obama �?? “A Bound Man” �?? it is painfully clear that Obama was one of those people seeking a racial identity that he had never really experienced in growing up in a white world. He was trying to become a convert to blackness, as it were �?? and, like many converts, he went overboard.
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Anyone who has been a minority can understand this, it’s a natural response to the degree of rejection we feel as a part of a society in which we aren’t looked at as quite the same as every one else.

So he met people through these events in his college years, became close, and now that I’m gathering his politics is different, I don’t know I haven’t been following it, he hasn’t rejected them. I honestly don’t get the problem. Sometimes we associate with people because they have been good to us, not because their philosophies or politics align with ours.

Nor has Obama changed in recent years. His voting record in the U.S. Senate is the furthest left of any Senator. There is a remarkable consistency in what Barack Obama has done over the years, despite inconsistencies in what he says."

Full Column: http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell032608.php3

If you don’t like his voting record, that’s a totally different story.

[Headhunter]

[quote]Mick28 wrote:

It certainly doesn’t make his congregation racists.

Does the rest of the congregation call him an “Uncle”?

Did the rest of the congregation write a book and quote him in it?

Did the rest of the congregation call Wright their “spiritual mentor”?

Don’t pretend that there is no serious and close relationship between the hateful racist Wright and Obama, there clearly is one.[/quote]

Excellent points, one and all.

Mick, do you know the name of the author that Wright got all the BS he spews?

[Headhunter]

[quote]will to power wrote:

Anyone who has been a minority can understand this, it’s a natural response to the degree of rejection we feel as a part of a society in which we aren’t looked at as quite the same as every one else.

[/quote]

If you dress nicely, have an education, demonstrate that you are dependable, I’d hire you in a second.

While I can understand the palpable rage that black people feel toward whites, it doesn’t get better by dropping out of high school and dressing in rags, with your belt going below your ass (instead of on your waist).

Think about it from our point of view.

[Professor_X]

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
will to power wrote:

Anyone who has been a minority can understand this, it’s a natural response to the degree of rejection we feel as a part of a society in which we aren’t looked at as quite the same as every one else.

If you dress nicely, have an education, demonstrate that you are dependable, I’d hire you in a second.

While I can understand the palpable rage that black people feel toward whites, it doesn’t get better by dropping out of high school and dressing in rags, with your belt going below your ass (instead of on your waist).

Think about it from our point of view.

[/quote]

LOL. Do you write shit like this just to get a response? Because there are hoards of black people dressing in “rags” who go for job interviews that way?

You aren’t even good at this. It is like you are an Eminem shock rapper wannabe who can’t quite seem to find his edge.

[storey420]

I think at this point it is just to stir things up but it seems like this detour keeps popping up on every thread.

[Headhunter]

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
will to power wrote:

Anyone who has been a minority can understand this, it’s a natural response to the degree of rejection we feel as a part of a society in which we aren’t looked at as quite the same as every one else.

If you dress nicely, have an education, demonstrate that you are dependable, I’d hire you in a second.

While I can understand the palpable rage that black people feel toward whites, it doesn’t get better by dropping out of high school and dressing in rags, with your belt going below your ass (instead of on your waist).

Think about it from our point of view.

LOL. Do you write shit like this just to get a response? Because there are hoards of black people dressing in “rags” who go for job interviews that way?

You aren’t even good at this. It is like you are an Eminem shock rapper wannabe who can’t quite seem to find his edge.[/quote]

I guess I may have been a little unclear.

Prof, what is the image that white Americans have of black Americans? Our image is mostly formed from the news media and from observation in public places.

Just today, I saw video on major media of a black teen girl assaulting her female teacher. The Baltimore school system has had over 100 incidents like that so far this year. Most white people look at a story like that and form conclusions. Guess what those just might be?

Sure, black people show up for jobs USUALLY dressed nicely. Who wouldn’t, duh? So, seperate the two ideas I wrote — that’s maybe why I used two paragraphs?

Anyhoo, as a young, intelligent black man, how about setting an example that other black men might follow? You guys have a lot of images to overcome; and those aren’t helped by what I described in the post you criticised.

[Professor_X]

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
will to power wrote:

Anyone who has been a minority can understand this, it’s a natural response to the degree of rejection we feel as a part of a society in which we aren’t looked at as quite the same as every one else.

If you dress nicely, have an education, demonstrate that you are dependable, I’d hire you in a second.

While I can understand the palpable rage that black people feel toward whites, it doesn’t get better by dropping out of high school and dressing in rags, with your belt going below your ass (instead of on your waist).

Think about it from our point of view.

LOL. Do you write shit like this just to get a response? Because there are hoards of black people dressing in “rags” who go for job interviews that way?

You aren’t even good at this. It is like you are an Eminem shock rapper wannabe who can’t quite seem to find his edge.

I guess I may have been a little unclear.

Prof, what is the image that white Americans have of black Americans? Our image is mostly formed from the news media and from observation in public places.

Just today, I saw video on major media of a black teen girl assaulting her female teacher. The Baltimore school system has had over 100 incidents like that so far this year. Most white people look at a story like that and form conclusions. Guess what those just might be?

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Yes, that action is the very definition of racism considering I doubt any major race based opinions were made when you viewed the white girls beating up the other white girl in that recent video.

The simple fact that blacks have had to deal with grand generalizations is the very reason “White America” is referenced.

You do it to us but have the fault of mind to not expect it to be done right back at you.

Pathetically transparent.

[Professor_X]

[quote]storey420 wrote:
I think at this point it is just to stir things up but it seems like this detour keeps popping up on every thread.[/quote]

No one ever accused him of being original.

[will_to_power]

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
will to power wrote:

Anyone who has been a minority can understand this, it’s a natural response to the degree of rejection we feel as a part of a society in which we aren’t looked at as quite the same as every one else.

If you dress nicely, have an education, demonstrate that you are dependable, I’d hire you in a second.

While I can understand the palpable rage that black people feel toward whites, it doesn’t get better by dropping out of high school and dressing in rags, with your belt going below your ass (instead of on your waist).

Think about it from our point of view.

[/quote]

I’ve never had trouble getting a job, that is not the issue. It is about truly being one with the community, something that just isn’t there 100 percent, and as a result it leads people to want to get in touch with their culture which will accept them completely.

Not that there aren’t up sides, Jehova’s Witnesses are scared of me so they skip my house on their rounds…

[Headhunter]

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
will to power wrote:

Anyone who has been a minority can understand this, it’s a natural response to the degree of rejection we feel as a part of a society in which we aren’t looked at as quite the same as every one else.

If you dress nicely, have an education, demonstrate that you are dependable, I’d hire you in a second.

While I can understand the palpable rage that black people feel toward whites, it doesn’t get better by dropping out of high school and dressing in rags, with your belt going below your ass (instead of on your waist).

Think about it from our point of view.

LOL. Do you write shit like this just to get a response? Because there are hoards of black people dressing in “rags” who go for job interviews that way?

You aren’t even good at this. It is like you are an Eminem shock rapper wannabe who can’t quite seem to find his edge.

I guess I may have been a little unclear.

Prof, what is the image that white Americans have of black Americans? Our image is mostly formed from the news media and from observation in public places.

Just today, I saw video on major media of a black teen girl assaulting her female teacher. The Baltimore school system has had over 100 incidents like that so far this year. Most white people look at a story like that and form conclusions. Guess what those just might be?

Yes, that action is the very definition of racism considering I doubt any major race based opinions were made when you viewed the white girls beating up the other white girl in that recent video.

The simple fact that blacks have had to deal with grand generalizations is the very reason “White America” is referenced.

You do it to us but have the fault of mind to not expect it to be done right back at you.

Pathetically transparent.
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Is it not logical for white Americans sitting in their suburban homes watching news reports of over 100 assaults in inner-city schools in Baltimore (many which go unpunished) and to draw conclusions about the people performing the assaults? That’s not racism, its common sense.

Do you think Barack and Michelle send THEIR children to Chicago Public Schools?

Until black people reject vio;ence and the notion that graduating from high school is ‘white’, I’m afraid they are doomed to suffer ‘racism’.

[Headhunter]

[quote]will to power wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
will to power wrote:

Anyone who has been a minority can understand this, it’s a natural response to the degree of rejection we feel as a part of a society in which we aren’t looked at as quite the same as every one else.

If you dress nicely, have an education, demonstrate that you are dependable, I’d hire you in a second.

While I can understand the palpable rage that black people feel toward whites, it doesn’t get better by dropping out of high school and dressing in rags, with your belt going below your ass (instead of on your waist).

Think about it from our point of view.

I’ve never had trouble getting a job, that is not the issue. It is about truly being one with the community, something that just isn’t there 100 percent, and as a result it leads people to want to get in touch with their culture which will accept them completely.

Not that there aren’t up sides, Jehova’s Witnesses are scared of me so they skip my house on their rounds…[/quote]

Why would anyone want to be one with gangsta rappers and drive-by shitbags? Be yourself, get an education, work hard, marry the mother of your children.

I’ve noticed that every one of my black colleagues and every one of my wife’s black colleagues does exactly this. Wierd how society tends to reward thinking and decency, isn’t it?

[will_to_power]

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
will to power wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
will to power wrote:

Anyone who has been a minority can understand this, it’s a natural response to the degree of rejection we feel as a part of a society in which we aren’t looked at as quite the same as every one else.

If you dress nicely, have an education, demonstrate that you are dependable, I’d hire you in a second.

While I can understand the palpable rage that black people feel toward whites, it doesn’t get better by dropping out of high school and dressing in rags, with your belt going below your ass (instead of on your waist).

Think about it from our point of view.

I’ve never had trouble getting a job, that is not the issue. It is about truly being one with the community, something that just isn’t there 100 percent, and as a result it leads people to want to get in touch with their culture which will accept them completely.

Not that there aren’t up sides, Jehova’s Witnesses are scared of me so they skip my house on their rounds…

Why would anyone want to be one with gangsta rappers and drive-by shitbags? Be yourself, get an education, work hard, marry the mother of your children.
[/quote]

What? How did gangs come into this?

Embracing your culture does not prevent you from being yourself, getting an education, working hard or marrying. Every minority culture I’m familiar with encourages all of those things.

[Headhunter]

[quote]will to power wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
will to power wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
will to power wrote:

Anyone who has been a minority can understand this, it’s a natural response to the degree of rejection we feel as a part of a society in which we aren’t looked at as quite the same as every one else.

If you dress nicely, have an education, demonstrate that you are dependable, I’d hire you in a second.

While I can understand the palpable rage that black people feel toward whites, it doesn’t get better by dropping out of high school and dressing in rags, with your belt going below your ass (instead of on your waist).

Think about it from our point of view.

I’ve never had trouble getting a job, that is not the issue. It is about truly being one with the community, something that just isn’t there 100 percent, and as a result it leads people to want to get in touch with their culture which will accept them completely.

Not that there aren’t up sides, Jehova’s Witnesses are scared of me so they skip my house on their rounds…

Why would anyone want to be one with gangsta rappers and drive-by shitbags? Be yourself, get an education, work hard, marry the mother of your children.

What? How did gangs come into this?

Embracing your culture does not prevent you from being yourself, getting an education, working hard or marrying. Every minority culture I’m familiar with encourages all of those things.[/quote]

Isn’t a lot of pressure brought to bear on young black people to NOT go to school or dress nicely? The ones who do get ridiculed and beaten for acting ‘white’.

It may be that cities are the evil in all this. The environment in cities is just not conducive to being a civilised being. I truly hate big cities.

[Professor_X]

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
will to power wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
will to power wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
will to power wrote:

Anyone who has been a minority can understand this, it’s a natural response to the degree of rejection we feel as a part of a society in which we aren’t looked at as quite the same as every one else.

If you dress nicely, have an education, demonstrate that you are dependable, I’d hire you in a second.

While I can understand the palpable rage that black people feel toward whites, it doesn’t get better by dropping out of high school and dressing in rags, with your belt going below your ass (instead of on your waist).

Think about it from our point of view.

I’ve never had trouble getting a job, that is not the issue. It is about truly being one with the community, something that just isn’t there 100 percent, and as a result it leads people to want to get in touch with their culture which will accept them completely.

Not that there aren’t up sides, Jehova’s Witnesses are scared of me so they skip my house on their rounds…

Why would anyone want to be one with gangsta rappers and drive-by shitbags? Be yourself, get an education, work hard, marry the mother of your children.

What? How did gangs come into this?

Embracing your culture does not prevent you from being yourself, getting an education, working hard or marrying. Every minority culture I’m familiar with encourages all of those things.

Isn’t a lot of pressure brought to bear on young black people to NOT go to school or dress nicely? The ones who do get ridiculed and beaten for acting ‘white’.

It may be that cities are the evil in all this. The environment in cities is just not conducive to being a civilised being. I truly hate big cities.

[/quote]

Gawd, you’re an idiot. I grew up in schools where my parents were teachers (my mom taught at the same elementary school I went to) and I was not beaten and ridiculed for it. My parents also weren’t rich. I dressed as good as they could afford. Most kids wearing 200-300 bucks of Air Jordans and Fubu ARE dressing nicely, at least way more nicely than I ever did. You can’t even make a decent fake argument. Why even try at all if this is as good as you can do? To fault youth for following trends in clothing would only be fair if done across the board. Since many styles in clothing are now completely shared by whites, blacks and every other nationality, you have no point. You can’t even claim Hip-Hop styles are a “black interest” now considering white kids make up most of the profits in that area.