Yet more damning evidence against Obama
[quote]Regular Gonzalez wrote:
Yet more damning evidence against Obama[/quote]
Nah. I just can’t forgive his beach wear.
In order to win black votes, Obama had to appeal to the minds and opinions of his constituents. He HAD to go to Pastor Wright’s church, he HAD to hang out with guys who bomb the Pentagon, he HAD to go on the Million Man March sponsored by Loopy Looey — or he would never have been voted in by black people into ANY office.
The resentment and loathing of white America by black America is palpable.
Now, such positions come back to haunt him. The question is if he can overcome what made him appealing to a very undereducated and resentful population, to win the votes of the general population.
Thunderbolt nailed it.
Mick28, put that hard-on you have for the Prof away. You’re embarrassing yourself.
As for the gist of this thread, let me just say that Obama’s aquaintances are no more nor less troublesome than past presidents. Religious figureheads are nutjobs. At least the prostitutes Grant cozied up to were trust worthy.
What you people need to realize is that whoever gets the Presidency, not much will change. Oh, sure, maybe we get another social program (national healthcare) that will bankrupt the country faster than what Medicare/Medicade and Social Security are doing for us now…
What are you people afraid will happen if Obama wins?
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
storey420 wrote:
Well pardon me for being naive but doesn’t that just highlight how stupid these voters are? All of these candidates run on a false pretense of character. Sure maybe Obama has the mindless “change” zombie thing working for him but really are Americans so stupid that they can see that politicians (especially these frontrunners) have no character and poor judgement based on their very voting reoords
Well, I have no idea if you are being naive, but it sounds more like you are just gassing off because you don’t like the remaining crop of candidates. That is fine, but it doesn’t speak to the issue of whether Obama deserves scrutiny over his relationships and issues directly related to his campaign - which you raised.
If it is true that “all of these candidates run on a false pretense of character”, that hurts Obama the most, because he is the candidate campaigning that he is the answer to such low-grade politics.
But your paragraph is borderline incoherent - you are complaining that American voters are stupid because they can see that the candidates are no good?
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No I see what you mean but I guess I came off incorrectly in that I agree that each candidate should get scrutiny but it just seems silly in that evryone of them has shady associates and every one of them have something more troubling to me—their voting records.
I mean stupid that pointing the finger at one guy somehows vindicates the BS that their candidate is guilty of.
One of the things that makes Obama attractive as a candidate is he is so unknown.
If Obama had been in the public eye for the last fifteen years like Hillary or McCain, we wouldn’t need to look at his associations to try and get a better understanding on where he stands, because he would have his own history for us to refer to.
Otherwise what do we have to go by? An unfinished term as a junior senator where most of his time has been spent trying to get out of the job and into something better.
This whole issue is stupid, a way to avoid talking about substance while we break someone down for his friends. That being the case, and I’ve posted on this before, why is Obama getting excoriated for this when McCain gets a free pass on speeches at Liberty University and sucking up to Hagee? What Hagee’s said about Catholics is far worse than any of Wright’s bigotry, and McCain ACTIVELY SOUGHT his endorsement. Unless you seriously believe Wright reveals that Obama has some closet hatred of white people (which A) seems like a stretch, and B) is not gonna hurt any of us white people much were he in office - we control every other meaningful organ of government and society), how is McCain’s case not worse?
And, the usual disclaimer before attacks from retards like Mick28 ensue: I won’t be voting for Obama, and I doubt I’ll be voting for McCain, but still a chance of that.
[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
This whole issue is stupid, a way to avoid talking about substance while we break someone down for his friends. That being the case, and I’ve posted on this before, why is Obama getting excoriated for this when McCain gets a free pass on speeches at Liberty University and sucking up to Hagee? What Hagee’s said about Catholics is far worse than any of Wright’s bigotry, and McCain ACTIVELY SOUGHT his endorsement. Unless you seriously believe Wright reveals that Obama has some closet hatred of white people (which A) seems like a stretch, and B) is not gonna hurt any of us white people much were he in office - we control every other meaningful organ of government and society), how is McCain’s case not worse?
And, the usual disclaimer before attacks from retards like Mick28 ensue: I won’t be voting for Obama, and I doubt I’ll be voting for McCain, but still a chance of that.[/quote]
This has already been covered. McCain doesn’t claim Hagee as a spiritual mentor. McCain’s ties with those assholes are far looser than Obama’s ties to his assholes.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
This whole issue is stupid, a way to avoid talking about substance while we break someone down for his friends. That being the case, and I’ve posted on this before, why is Obama getting excoriated for this when McCain gets a free pass on speeches at Liberty University and sucking up to Hagee? What Hagee’s said about Catholics is far worse than any of Wright’s bigotry, and McCain ACTIVELY SOUGHT his endorsement. Unless you seriously believe Wright reveals that Obama has some closet hatred of white people (which A) seems like a stretch, and B) is not gonna hurt any of us white people much were he in office - we control every other meaningful organ of government and society), how is McCain’s case not worse?
And, the usual disclaimer before attacks from retards like Mick28 ensue: I won’t be voting for Obama, and I doubt I’ll be voting for McCain, but still a chance of that.
This has already been covered. McCain doesn’t claim Hagee as a spiritual mentor. McCain’s ties with those assholes are far looser than Obama’s ties to his assholes.[/quote]
It has also already been covered that I can go to my preacher with personal matters without sharing all of his beliefs.
Why ignore that?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
This whole issue is stupid, a way to avoid talking about substance while we break someone down for his friends. That being the case, and I’ve posted on this before, why is Obama getting excoriated for this when McCain gets a free pass on speeches at Liberty University and sucking up to Hagee? What Hagee’s said about Catholics is far worse than any of Wright’s bigotry, and McCain ACTIVELY SOUGHT his endorsement. Unless you seriously believe Wright reveals that Obama has some closet hatred of white people (which A) seems like a stretch, and B) is not gonna hurt any of us white people much were he in office - we control every other meaningful organ of government and society), how is McCain’s case not worse?
And, the usual disclaimer before attacks from retards like Mick28 ensue: I won’t be voting for Obama, and I doubt I’ll be voting for McCain, but still a chance of that.
This has already been covered. McCain doesn’t claim Hagee as a spiritual mentor. McCain’s ties with those assholes are far looser than Obama’s ties to his assholes.
It has also already been covered that I can go to my preacher with personal matters without sharing all of his beliefs.
Why ignore that?[/quote]
When you consider him a spiritual mentor, use his sermons for the title of your book it becomes harder to distance yourself from his beliefs, in fact it makes one hypocritical when one acts like Obama in this case.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
This whole issue is stupid, a way to avoid talking about substance while we break someone down for his friends. That being the case, and I’ve posted on this before, why is Obama getting excoriated for this when McCain gets a free pass on speeches at Liberty University and sucking up to Hagee? What Hagee’s said about Catholics is far worse than any of Wright’s bigotry, and McCain ACTIVELY SOUGHT his endorsement. Unless you seriously believe Wright reveals that Obama has some closet hatred of white people (which A) seems like a stretch, and B) is not gonna hurt any of us white people much were he in office - we control every other meaningful organ of government and society), how is McCain’s case not worse?
And, the usual disclaimer before attacks from retards like Mick28 ensue: I won’t be voting for Obama, and I doubt I’ll be voting for McCain, but still a chance of that.
This has already been covered. McCain doesn’t claim Hagee as a spiritual mentor. McCain’s ties with those assholes are far looser than Obama’s ties to his assholes.
It has also already been covered that I can go to my preacher with personal matters without sharing all of his beliefs.
Why ignore that?
When you consider him a spiritual mentor, use his sermons for the title of your book it becomes harder to distance yourself from his beliefs, in fact it makes one hypocritical when one acts like Obama in this case.
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The only reason you put so much stock there is because you are looking for something to disagree with regardless.
It is clear to me that the more “exotic” beliefs of this preacher were not being taught every Sunday. If they were, there would be no end to the proof on the matter. They have had to go searching for this information which I am sure many members of his own church may not have been aware of.
I also find it hard to believe that his ENTIRE congregation was only filled with black people.
Everyone seems to be forgetting who we currently have in the White House, who is Satan incarnate and his hell spawn minions.
I’d elect a fucking Leprechaun right now.
[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:
Everyone seems to be forgetting who we currently have in the White House, who is Satan incarnate and his hell spawn minions.
I’d elect a fucking Leprechaun right now.[/quote]
The feeling’s mutual.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
storey420 wrote:
I am confused, is there anywhere where Obama has said he agrees with or condones the nonsense coming from Farrakhan? If not then how many of these stupid ass forum posts are there going to be where somw random associate is drug up to somehow show the candidate is not worthy. NONE of the candidates leading the pack are worthy. They all suck and each has different reasons why. I think if we started a list of shady associates of Obama, Clinton and McCain it would take several pages.
It screams, “we can’t find shit else to harp on so we go digging for every acquaintance the man ever had just to find some dirt on him”.[/quote]
I actually admire his campaign so far. He is playing it calm, cool, and collected while the Clinton lil train that ustah but never shoulda derails itself.
If I were Bill and Hilly Clinton, I would send a Christmas card to Perot every year and stuff the envelope hard and heavy.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
Everyone seems to be forgetting who we currently have in the White House, who is Satan incarnate and his hell spawn minions.
I’d elect a fucking Leprechaun right now.
The feeling’s mutual.[/quote]
So I have a question for you guys. Do you genuinely feel in your heart of hearts that:
Bush is truly EVIL – that he is a corrupt man, conspiratorial and power-hungry, that he bears ill will and mal intent towards his own countrymen and/or others
OR
He is simply incompetent and over his head.
I happen to believe the latter, but I live in a city that prints pictures of him with a Hitler mustache on the sidewalks.
[quote]SinisterMinister wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
Everyone seems to be forgetting who we currently have in the White House, who is Satan incarnate and his hell spawn minions.
I’d elect a fucking Leprechaun right now.
The feeling’s mutual.
So I have a question for you guys. Do you genuinely feel in your heart of hearts that:
Bush is truly EVIL – that he is a corrupt man, conspiratorial and power-hungry, that he bears ill will and mal intent towards his own countrymen and/or others
OR
He is simply incompetent and over his head.
I happen to believe the latter, but I live in a city that prints pictures of him with a Hitler mustache on the sidewalks.
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I truly feel the man is corrupt. I believe that much power can do that to people.